HopsGuy Posted August 8, 2011 Posted August 8, 2011 Great episode. I thought I saw that RP sticker! I saw it and had to rewind and slow-mo for confirmation. Nice nod to Dr. Paul's stance on the "War on Drugs". Jesse really showed insight with his observations that if the cops were looking at him for Gale's murder, they would have already dragged him in for questioning. Also he noted that Mike wasn't going to kill the guy that stole his money because he went to the trouble of blind-folding him. While his mind is drug-addled, he's clear in some respects. Also, he's still skimming - "Smoke up, b*^ches!" Think Mike put Jesse in re-hab? Couldn't have killed him off, right?
/dev/null Posted August 8, 2011 Posted August 8, 2011 I caught the preview for next week. Looks like there's a scene where Mike and Jesse are out in the middle of nowhere digging a hole. But I don't think Mike kills Jesse. I think Mike kills the guy who stole Jesse's cash. Just a little "F*ck you,you little pr*ck for doubting that I wouldn't kill him" And to try to scare Jesse straight. I saw it and had to rewind and slow-mo for confirmation. Nice nod to Dr. Paul's stance on the "War on Drugs". Jesse really showed insight with his observations that if the cops were looking at him for Gale's murder, they would have already dragged him in for questioning. Also he noted that Mike wasn't going to kill the guy that stole his money because he went to the trouble of blind-folding him. While his mind is drug-addled, he's clear in some respects. Also, he's still skimming - "Smoke up, b*^ches!" Think Mike put Jesse in re-hab? Couldn't have killed him off, right?
ajzepp Posted August 8, 2011 Posted August 8, 2011 My favorite scene last night was the exchange between Walt and Hank when they were reviewing the case file...Walt was trapped in his duality for those few minutes, and that was some of the best acting I've seen in any season of this show. It's scenes like that that make me appreciate the craftsmanship and overall quality of shows like this...just superb.
Andrew in CA Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 My favorite scene last night was the exchange between Walt and Hank when they were reviewing the case file...Walt was trapped in his duality for those few minutes, and that was some of the best acting I've seen in any season of this show. It's scenes like that that make me appreciate the craftsmanship and overall quality of shows like this...just superb. I loved Walt's reaction to the music video Hank showed, especially juxtaposed with Walt Jr's and Hank's reactions.
ajzepp Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 I loved Walt's reaction to the music video Hank showed, especially juxtaposed with Walt Jr's and Hank's reactions. Definitely...that whole five mins or so was just excellent acting. I also loved the way Walt walked toward the camera in the lab, looked up with an intense expression and grumbled, "where is he!"
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 My favorite scene last night was the exchange between Walt and Hank when they were reviewing the case file...Walt was trapped in his duality for those few minutes, and that was some of the best acting I've seen in any season of this show. It's scenes like that that make me appreciate the craftsmanship and overall quality of shows like this...just superb. My favorite part was Jesse vacantly staring into his duffelbag of cash, and then later dismissively shrugging off its disappearance. It was a sort of dismal reminder of why Jesse got himself into this mess in the first place, and how little he now cares about his initial motivation. Season 2 Jesse would have been a wreck over his money growing legs. Now he's just so broken that it doesn't matter. The scene you mention was awesome too. I love Walt lifting his hands and saying "you got me" as Hank jokingly (?) accused him of being the W.W. in Gale's notebook.
HopsGuy Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 My favorite part was Jesse vacantly staring into his duffelbag of cash, and then later dismissively shrugging off its disappearance. It was a sort of dismal reminder of why Jesse got himself into this mess in the first place, and how little he now cares about his initial motivation. Season 2 Jesse would have been a wreck over his money growing legs. Now he's just so broken that it doesn't matter. The scene you mention was awesome too. I love Walt lifting his hands and saying "you got me" as Hank jokingly (?) accused him of being the W.W. in Gale's notebook. I've seen at least 3 descriptions of Jesse as being totally nihilistic. That's probably apt. Also, he played that Jane-like girl in a go-cart related video game. Lots of call-backs there. Does anyone else have "Major Tom (Coming Home)" invading their brains? Gale had depth.
UConn James Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 I had been wondering what exactly Mike did for Gus.... dev/null, do you now see the problem with putting spoiler tags on discussion of episodes that have aired? In the first post of this page, that's what it is --- discussion about "Bullet Points" wrapped in spoilers on Monday morning about an episode that aired 12 hours earlier. Then in your post, you put in spoiler quotes (correctly) details about the next episode. I actually opened that expecting more "Bullet Points" discussion, as that's kind of the norm. And then I got to read snippets about next week. We need to come to an agreement on this.
ajzepp Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 My favorite part was Jesse vacantly staring into his duffelbag of cash, and then later dismissively shrugging off its disappearance. It was a sort of dismal reminder of why Jesse got himself into this mess in the first place, and how little he now cares about his initial motivation. Season 2 Jesse would have been a wreck over his money growing legs. Now he's just so broken that it doesn't matter. The scene you mention was awesome too. I love Walt lifting his hands and saying "you got me" as Hank jokingly (?) accused him of being the W.W. in Gale's notebook. The "you got me" line was great...and I love how Hank for just a SECOND contemplated a "what if?", and then you could tell he immediately let the thought move on from his brain...just brilliant stuff! I'm sure it's a combination of both directing and acting, but the fact that subtle gestures and expressions can convey so much meaning is a real tribute to this show. I know a lot of us blow tons of sunshine up this show's arse already, but I think it's truly deserving. I have this uneasy feeling, almost a sort of anxiety, for the entire hour it's on each week. It's to the point where I'm so caught up in the characters that I'm almost relieved when everything seems to be okay LOL...it's really fugged up, but I love it.
The Poojer Posted August 10, 2011 Author Posted August 10, 2011 do you think Hank thought Walt was involved, or was it the writers wanting us to think that? I know thats a very bizarre question because Hank and Walt arent real people...but do you think the writers intent was for Hank to have a suspicion about Walt? That beginning scene and the after dinner scene were both pretty riveting....Jesse is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters in television history... The "you got me" line was great...and I love how Hank for just a SECOND contemplated a "what if?", and then you could tell he immediately let the thought move on from his brain...just brilliant stuff! I'm sure it's a combination of both directing and acting, but the fact that subtle gestures and expressions can convey so much meaning is a real tribute to this show. I know a lot of us blow tons of sunshine up this show's arse already, but I think it's truly deserving. I have this uneasy feeling, almost a sort of anxiety, for the entire hour it's on each week. It's to the point where I'm so caught up in the characters that I'm almost relieved when everything seems to be okay LOL...it's really fugged up, but I love it.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 do you think Hank thought Walt was involved, or was it the writers wanting us to think that? I know thats a very bizarre question because Hank and Walt arent real people...but do you think the writers intent was for Hank to have a suspicion about Walt? That beginning scene and the after dinner scene were both pretty riveting....Jesse is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters in television history... I like to think the writers intended for us to think that way. In the beginning of the series, when Walt was a Casper Milquetoast, Hank didn't have enough respect for him to ever consider Walt's involvement. Now that W.W carries himself with a sense of identity, the inklings would be more believable. I hope that made sense. And yeah, you can't say enough about Aaron Paul. I'm continuously amazed by his ability to carry a scene without ever opening his mouth. Perhaps I'm just taking Bryan Cranston for granted at this point, but right now it's very debatable over which man is the more capable actor.
The Poojer Posted August 10, 2011 Author Posted August 10, 2011 bryan cranston reached elevated acting status in malcolm in the middle....(i thought he was pure genius in that sit com) I like to think the writers intended for us to think that way. In the beginning of the series, when Walt was a Casper Milquetoast, Hank didn't have enough respect for him to ever consider Walt's involvement. Now that W.W carries himself with a sense of identity, the inklings would be more believable. I hope that made sense. And yeah, you can't say enough about Aaron Paul. I'm continuously amazed by his ability to carry a scene without ever opening his mouth. Perhaps I'm just taking Bryan Cranston for granted at this point, but right now it's very debatable over which man is the more capable actor.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 bryan cranston reached elevated acting status in malcolm in the middle....(i thought he was pure genius in that sit com) One of my favorites. I watched it when I was a child, and then I was surprised at the degree to which I still found it hilarious as an adult. By chance, do you remember a scene where Cranston's character Hal suffers a stress breakdown from being charged with responsibility over the boys for an evening, and he ends up in a confrontation with hundreds of different manifestations of his being, each one attempting to advise him? Too funny!
ajzepp Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 do you think Hank thought Walt was involved, or was it the writers wanting us to think that? I know thats a very bizarre question because Hank and Walt arent real people...but do you think the writers intent was for Hank to have a suspicion about Walt? That beginning scene and the after dinner scene were both pretty riveting....Jesse is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters in television history... I remember how I felt during the scene, and given the way it went down I felt that basically Hank was allowing himself to try on the thought for size, if that makes any sense, and then quickly discarded the idea. I would expect someone in law enforcement to always consider every angle, and that's sort of what I think he did there. Do I think there is any lingering suspicion on the part of Hank? Nope, I really don't. But I think it was brilliant the way they portrayed the moment that Hank allowed it to enter his brain That being said, I think it was also interesting how when Hank was asked about the rocks, Walt sort of jumped in and went all out with the knowledge droppin'. The way Hank reacted to that was interesting, because he had just made a comment about how involved the hobby was, and then you have Walt basically spewing out a level of detail that Hank couldn't even begin to understand. The dynamic at play here between these two is really, really interesting. I like to think the writers intended for us to think that way. In the beginning of the series, when Walt was a Casper Milquetoast, Hank didn't have enough respect for him to ever consider Walt's involvement. Now that W.W carries himself with a sense of identity, the inklings would be more believable. I hope that made sense. And yeah, you can't say enough about Aaron Paul. I'm continuously amazed by his ability to carry a scene without ever opening his mouth. Perhaps I'm just taking Bryan Cranston for granted at this point, but right now it's very debatable over which man is the more capable actor. You guys were singing Aaron Paul's praises long before I was...I think I've finally gotten to the same point, though...he's been given a lot to handle with regard to his character, and he's doing an unbelievable job this season. I really like the way he uses apathy as a defense mechanism.
K-9 Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 (edited) ... That being said, I think it was also interesting how when Hank was asked about the rocks, Walt sort of jumped in and went all out with the knowledge droppin'. ... The MINERALS! Edited August 10, 2011 by K-9
The Poojer Posted August 16, 2011 Author Posted August 16, 2011 and the plot turns....great episode last night... i think we saw the beginning of the role reversals...all that driving around was to see where the importance in the operation really lies...all of a sudden Jesse is the important cog and Walter is gonna start to come apart at the seams. Its funny how the unflappable Mike couldn't take Jesses antsy-ness in the car. And I really thought Mike was gonna by the farm and I was 'genuinely' worried about that prospect...i really like that character. Good plot(twist) building episode
Buftex Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 and the plot turns....great episode last night... i think we saw the beginning of the role reversals...all that driving around was to see where the importance in the operation really lies...all of a sudden Jesse is the important cog and Walter is gonna start to come apart at the seams. Its funny how the unflappable Mike couldn't take Jesses antsy-ness in the car. And I really thought Mike was gonna by the farm and I was 'genuinely' worried about that prospect...i really like that character. Good plot(twist) building episode Hmmm...you may be right, but I still don't get the feeling that Gus has much use for Jesse. I interpreted the whole "let him be a hero" thing to calm down the paranoia that Walt and Jesse seem to be developing...then, when they finally let their guard down...bam! It was a great episode. Don't know if you all saw it, in the AMC thread, but they announced today, there is one more, 16 episode season of "Breaking Bad", and then it ends. Kind of sad, but, I guess that is a good length, five years. It gives them the advance opportunity to really map out how the show will end. I am always kind of pins and needles, wondering what will happen with Gus...and in last night's episode, it seems, Walts' ego put the bloodhound (Hank) back on his trail...this season has been tremendously action packed, in terms of advancing story lines...I feel a "Fly" coming on!
UConn James Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I saw it that Gus was trying to 1) get Jesse to some place where he gives a sh-- about something again and 2) foster a split between Jesse and Walt. All with the probably goal of getting rid of the person that he didn't want from the start because Jesse's unpredictable persona and criminal history is dangerous for his business. In order to control the situation, Gus needs to get Walt to stop being so protective of Jesse. That started last week with Jesse paying two meth-heads $100 to forcibly remove Walt from the house. Elsewhere, it seems to finally have hit Walt that a full reconciliation and getting things back somewhat close to what they were before he started to cook isn't going to happen. Skylar will have sex with him and go through motions in public, but her thinking of Walt is now mainly as a business partner and having to craft a story to launder drug money. How long will this last? Walt is man who hasn't had success with business partners, legitimate and otherwise. In fact... gird your loins here... lawyer/adviser/leech Saul Goodman may be the most trustworthy person in Walt's circle in 4 seasons. And guys, that's saying something! Soon after this epiphany, Walt proceeds to hit the vino at Hank and Marie's, and it loosens his lips and puts some spring in Hank's step. And so the stage is set for the last season and a half. Walt's almost inviting it from all sides. You look at a lot of different scenarios knowing what we know, and it's really hard to imagine a happy ending here. And it's not like we should want one for many of these characters outside of Walt Jr., the baby and perhaps Hank. Gillian's made his bones thus far on us almost rooting for Walt and Jesse, but I'm not sure he can pull off an ending where we'd be satisfied for them to go unpunished for what they've done. I don't know tho --- he's gotten this far thumbing his nose at Hollywood convention.... And then that Beneke coffee mug right at the close. You know that's still sticking in Walt's craw.
Buftex Posted August 16, 2011 Posted August 16, 2011 I saw it that Gus was trying to 1) get Jesse to some place where he gives a sh-- about something again and 2) foster a split between Jesse and Walt. All with the probably goal of getting rid of the person that he didn't want from the start because Jesse's unpredictable persona and criminal history is dangerous for his business. In order to control the situation, Gus needs to get Walt to stop being so protective of Jesse. That started last week with Jesse paying two meth-heads $100 to forcibly remove Walt from the house. Elsewhere, it seems to finally have hit Walt that a full reconciliation and getting things back somewhat close to what they were before he started to cook isn't going to happen. Skylar will have sex with him and go through motions in public, but her thinking of Walt is now mainly as a business partner and having to craft a story to launder drug money. How long will this last? Walt is man who hasn't had success with business partners, legitimate and otherwise. In fact... gird your loins here... lawyer/adviser/leech Saul Goodman may be the most trustworthy person in Walt's circle in 4 seasons. And guys, that's saying something! Soon after this epiphany, Walt proceeds to hit the vino at Hank and Marie's, and it loosens his lips and puts some spring in Hank's step. And so the stage is set for the last season and a half. Walt's almost inviting it from all sides. You look at a lot of different scenarios knowing what we know, and it's really hard to imagine a happy ending here. And it's not like we should want one for many of these characters outside of Walt Jr., the baby and perhaps Hank. Gillian's made his bones thus far on us almost rooting for Walt and Jesse, but I'm not sure he can pull off an ending where we'd be satisfied for them to go unpunished for what they've done. I don't know tho --- he's gotten this far thumbing his nose at Hollywood convention.... And then that Beneke coffee mug right at the close. You know that's still sticking in Walt's craw. It just doesn't seem to me like Gus is ever going to change his opinion of Jesse...I think he wants him gone, but he needs Walt still...that said, given that there is now a definite end to the series in sight, Jesse's demise seems inevitable.
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