BEAST MODE BABY! Posted April 23, 2011 Posted April 23, 2011 Exo Facto the Bills thought Carrington was worse than McCargo. Not trying to be pedantic, but did you mean Ipso Facto there? Because I have no freakin' clue what Exo Facto is...
Captain Hindsight Posted April 23, 2011 Posted April 23, 2011 We had the worst defense in the history of the Buffalo Bills.
CodeMonkey Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Oh yes.....Buddy Nix doesn't know anything about identifying talent...... That remains to be seen. His clearly whiffed on his first draft as a GM in my opinion. I'm hopeful of a much better performance this time around but we will see.
Fan in Chicago Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Buddy was there for the pick he blessed it, they picked him too convenient to scapegoat Jauron for all of the failed picks and give a free pass to the talent evaluators Fair enough that Nix was scouting that year. But the next rounds yielded Wood, Byrd and Levitre. All solid starters. Judge the draft in its entirety. I think picking a DE was the right thing to do that year but Maybin looks to be a poor choice. But the others kind of make up for it. Any time a draft delivers 3-4 solids starters, the FO has done well. BTW, I have no evidence about who influenced the 2009 draft, but is it a coincidence that the first two drafts that Nix was involved with yielded primarily line players in the first 3-4 rounds ?
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 2 41 Torell Troup DT Central Florida 3 72 Alex Carrington DE Arkansas State 6 178 Arthur Moats OLB James Madison Anybody out here remember those guys? Sure, the Bills have the #3 pick this year and there are some awesome defensive players to choose from. But Troup sure seemed to be coming into his own towards the last 4 games last year, and Carrington hasn't even scratched the surface of his potential yet. Both those kids came out of smaller colleges so they need more time to acclimate, but they are still both high draft picks just entering into their second years. And then there's Arthur. If this kid picks up where he left off last year, Nix will end up with the absolute steal of the 2010 draft from last year's 6th round. Of course I would love to see the Bills pick Von Miller if they don't go for one of the two top QB's at 3. But who knows if Moats won't end up being even better then Miller by the time they both retire years from now?? And of course, Dave Wandstadt, former Super Bowl winning DC (over our beloved Bills ironically), has joined Chan to help the Bills rebuild. With him on board to help utilize Troup, Carrington and Moats better, choosing Newton or Gabbert at 3 (as I hope he does) becomes less of a tradgedy passing on Miller or one of the other great defensive prospects. There is nothing in last year's draft to suggest any of these guys will be full time starters never mind difference makers. Any of them may simple be role players their whole careers. If anything last year's draft is reason to draft defensive side of ball ie see last year's result.
spartacus Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Fair enough that Nix was scouting that year. But the next rounds yielded Wood, Byrd and Levitre. All solid starters. Judge the draft in its entirety. I think picking a DE was the right thing to do that year but Maybin looks to be a poor choice. But the others kind of make up for it. Any time a draft delivers 3-4 solids starters, the FO has done well. BTW, I have no evidence about who influenced the 2009 draft, but is it a coincidence that the first two drafts that Nix was involved with yielded primarily line players in the first 3-4 rounds ? starters on a team with no talent is no glowing endorsement Marv found a bunch of players to start from his first draft and most of them were out of football 3 years later. where are the starters from last year's draft on a team dead last in defense? picking interior linemen with premium picks is like shooting fish in a barrel. Notice there were no OTs taken with those picks. To justify spending such high picks on Gs, they should in the Pro Bowl. what else does a talent evaluator do than rate the ability of a player to play at the NFL level - how is there any possible justification to support the Maybin pick The Bills need impact playmakers - not marginal starters on a team devoid of talent
Fan in Chicago Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 starters on a team with no talent is no glowing endorsement Marv found a bunch of players to start from his first draft and most of them were out of football 3 years later. where are the starters from last year's draft on a team dead last in defense? picking interior linemen with premium picks is like shooting fish in a barrel. Notice there were no OTs taken with those picks. To justify spending such high picks on Gs, they should in the Pro Bowl. what else does a talent evaluator do than rate the ability of a player to play at the NFL level - how is there any possible justification to support the Maybin pick The Bills need impact playmakers - not marginal starters on a team devoid of talent If you want to ignore the positive impact Wood and Levitre have had on the OL or Byrd's interceptions in his rookie season, by all means go ahead. If you want to have no patience and start slamming Troup, Carrington, Moats or Batten before they have played their second season, knock yourself out. Yes the team was terribly devoid of talent. Which is why these individual picks by themselves are not yet translating to wins. Let this draft and FA (whenever it happens) go by and judge the regime on the team's progress this season. Wood should have fully recovered from his injury, last years picks will be in their second year when their talent should show positive impact. Add a couple of players from this year and we should do well.
BillsVet Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Fair enough that Nix was scouting that year. But the next rounds yielded Wood, Byrd and Levitre. All solid starters. Judge the draft in its entirety. I think picking a DE was the right thing to do that year but Maybin looks to be a poor choice. But the others kind of make up for it. Any time a draft delivers 3-4 solids starters, the FO has done well. Not all positions are equal in terms of value. Guards and safeties are, for the most part, easier to find than OT's and pass rushers. And for as good as it seems Levitre and Wood appear to be, they were 2 of the highest drafted interior OLineman in the 2009 draft. The Bills will get credit for a solid draft when they begin filling the marquee positions of QB, OT, and pass rusher, 43DE or 34OLB, with outstanding players. In the past 11 drafts they haven't found one guy who could play any of those 3 positions. Fine guard and safety play does not make up for it, especially when those guys are found with high picks. Draft value isn't something the Bills have mastered, let alone finding talent high and low.
Fan in Chicago Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 Not all positions are equal in terms of value. Guards and safeties are, for the most part, easier to find than OT's and pass rushers. And for as good as it seems Levitre and Wood appear to be, they were 2 of the highest drafted interior OLineman in the 2009 draft. The Bills will get credit for a solid draft when they begin filling the marquee positions of QB, OT, and pass rusher, 43DE or 34OLB, with outstanding players. In the past 11 drafts they haven't found one guy who could play any of those 3 positions. Fine guard and safety play does not make up for it, especially when those guys are found with high picks. Draft value isn't something the Bills have mastered, let alone finding talent high and low. For a change, I agree with you You have to make the picks when good players are available at your spot. It will take time and besides the Maybin and perhaps Spiller picks, I think we are on the right track.
John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2011 Posted April 24, 2011 We just dont know yet if the Spiller pick was a bad pick.....its just way to early for that
Dragonborn10 Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 Troup was just fine for a rookie NT. Easley hopefully will recover and push for the 5th WR spot or impress enough that Roscoe could be moved in a trade late in pre-season. Carrington did very little but they needed to see if Stroud could move to DE. Moats may be a one year well really one quarter season wonder. Hopefully not. Again I say trade down and take Cam Jordan and cut Kelsay in the same 15 min.
MexicanBuffaloBill Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 Well, maybe im crazy, but right now, im on board to draft maybe the best player in the draft or actually the best prospect in the entire draft PATRICK PETERSON in the first round........ Miller could be the next lawrence taylor, but can be the next aaron maybin, that scares me........ And behind of this, we have moats and merriman.... In the QB´s well i will be on board with the selection of cam newton, but not with gabbert....... On the defensive line we have carrington with the 3rd round and troup with the 2nd round, that were in the first year and show signs of solid starters...... On the back of the defense, we have mckelvin, he is not the best corner or the worst corner on the league, so....... We have Mcgee an injury prone corner, florence will be gone on free agency...... So my draft will be...... 1 round....... Patrick Peterson CB, maybe a hall of famer.. starter since day one 2 round....... Martez Wilson ILB, maybe a good ILB......... another starter since day one 3 round....... James Carpenter or Orlando Franklin T....... we need another starter at tackle and we probably found one either of this two...... 4 round a..... Casey Mathews ILB, a clay brother .......... with this selection we have rotation in the ILB for 3-4 defense........ 4 round b..... Virgil Green TE, metzelaars i missed you.... Finally we have a tight end that can block, and have soft hands......... 5 round....... Cedric thorton DE, a small school project... This player can actually be a good defensive end in the nfl, but need time...... 6 round....... Dom Decicco SS, solid depth................. Donte is gone in free agency, so we need depth......... 7 round a..... Scott Tolzien QB, depth..................... Well if we draft QBs in the 7 round, we can find another brady, jeje........ 7 round b..... Alex Henery PK, lindell is getting old...... We need some fresh blood on special teams............ So please draft the best player available in the draft, and dont draft for need........ PLEASE...........
thewildrabbit Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) Troup and Carrington did next to nothing last year(especially Carrington). Other than the fact they were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively, there were not many signs indicating that they will be future starters. They are just as likely to be busts. Only time will tell. PS And this was on a defense that was HORRIBLE last year. exactly... I don't get all the optimism about players drafted last year that should have stepped in and become starters already, not one player from last year is starting.... and on one of the worst defenses in Buffalo Bills history! Oh, Spiller was named starter, for about 3 plays... This years draft should be all Buddy Nix, lets hope he actually took the time to grade the players himself instead of relying on Tom Modrak, he should now be fully aware of how inept Modrak is after the Cornell Green debacle. Buddy Nix muttering to himself about TM....how does this man still have a job here? Edited April 25, 2011 by Harvey lives
billsfreak Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 People Tend To Forget Last Year's Picks Most people don't TEND to forget last year's picks, they TRY to forget last years picks. The only pick that really did anything was Moats, and that wasn't until the last 4 or 5 games. The first round pick was criticized by everyone as a luxury pick on a bad team, which should never happen-and it turned out to be a terrible pick. Troup really did nothing, as did any of the other picks. Buddy blew his first draft in Buffalo, let's hope he doesn't blow his second, or the so called genius might be gone as quick as he came here, just like Donohue and some of the other failures Ralphy has hired.
K Gun Special Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 People Tend To Forget Last Year's Picks Most people don't TEND to forget last year's picks, they TRY to forget last years picks. The only pick that really did anything was Moats, and that wasn't until the last 4 or 5 games. The first round pick was criticized by everyone as a luxury pick on a bad team, which should never happen-and it turned out to be a terrible pick. Troup really did nothing, as did any of the other picks. Buddy blew his first draft in Buffalo, let's hope he doesn't blow his second, or the so called genius might be gone as quick as he came here, just like Donohue and some of the other failures Ralphy has hired. After one year on a bad team, you are writing off the first draft....geez. Talk about wanting instant results.
RealityCheck Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 After one year on a bad team, you are writing off the first draft....geez. Talk about wanting instant results. I fail to see how a decade of terrible drafting and coaching can't be fixed within a year.
billsfreak Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) After one year on a bad team, you are writing off the first draft....geez. Talk about wanting instant results. It will take you some research to find another team that didn't at least have one rookie from their draft class last season make at least some sort of impact. The Bills got more impact from non-drafted rookies than from their draft picks. You are right, the Bills were a Bad Team and will continue to be a bad team with drafts like the 2010 draft. Are you going to fix all the problems on the Bills in one year, not a chance, but if you strike out on the entire draft, no progress is ever going to be made. If you can't get one or two starters out of 7 picks, then the draft would be considered a failure in anyone's book. Edited April 25, 2011 by billsfreak
Ramius Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 On the verrge. ON the verge of what. Seriously. There's a reason they won 5 games last year, they're not good. The front 7 was horrible. If they can start to stop the run they MAY be on the verge of going 7-9, but come on. Nobody the Bills draft contribute immediately, they just don't, and this year will likely be more of the same. Stop giving up 170 yards a game on the ground and then talk to me about being on the verge of anything. And in your mind, were the 3-13 Buccs of 2009 (picking 3rd overall) on the verge of 10-6 in 2010?
I hate the Bills ! Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 All players need time to develop, our picks this year won't make us a instant playoff team. The way I see it we need a QB if were gonna compete, aside from Flutie who played well when he was in Buffalo, our QB's have stunk since Kelly retired. We need 2 DT as we cut Stroud and haven't resigned McCargo(thank God) and our rush defense was the easiest to run on in the NFL. We need a RT and frankly we lack so much depth there perhaps we should pick two of them just to be safe. Our pass rush was just as bad as we basically had almost none. Maybin is gonna get his final chance as is Merriman in camp and if they cant cut it then CYA ! Kelsey our favorite whipping boy, he must have pictures of Ralph Wilson doing something awful because I for the life of me cant figure out why he is still on the team and got a big raise. We need LB's inside and out and had better take 2 of them as well.
K Gun Special Posted April 25, 2011 Posted April 25, 2011 It will take you some research to find another team that didn't at least have one rookie from their draft class last season make at least some sort of impact. The Bills got more impact from non-drafted rookies than from their draft picks. You are right, the Bills were a Bad Team and will continue to be a bad team with drafts like the 2010 draft. Are you going to fix all the problems on the Bills in one year, not a chance, but if you strike out on the entire draft, no progress is ever going to be made. If you can't get one or two starters out of 7 picks, then the draft would be considered a failure in anyone's book. You will be disappointed if you are expecting 2 starts from every draft. You cant call a draft a bust after one year. No respectable NFL personnel person would say such a thing. Spiller and Troup are not busts as of yet. Brandon Graham, taken two pick after spiller had 13 tackles..... according to you he's a bust. Morgan Derrick taken a few picks later only played in 4 games. Bust I dunno i guess its pretty easy to find rookies who contributed little in their first friggin year. Troup our second pick was more productive than those first rounders above.
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