BillsPhan Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 2 41 Torell Troup DT Central Florida 3 72 Alex Carrington DE Arkansas State 6 178 Arthur Moats OLB James Madison Anybody out here remember those guys? Sure, the Bills have the #3 pick this year and there are some awesome defensive players to choose from. But Troup sure seemed to be coming into his own towards the last 4 games last year, and Carrington hasn't even scratched the surface of his potential yet. Both those kids came out of smaller colleges so they need more time to acclimate, but they are still both high draft picks just entering into their second years. And then there's Arthur. If this kid picks up where he left off last year, Nix will end up with the absolute steal of the 2010 draft from last year's 6th round. Of course I would love to see the Bills pick Von Miller if they don't go for one of the two top QB's at 3. But who knows if Moats won't end up being even better then Miller by the time they both retire years from now?? And of course, Dave Wandstadt, former Super Bowl winning DC (over our beloved Bills ironically), has joined Chan to help the Bills rebuild. With him on board to help utilize Troup, Carrington and Moats better, choosing Newton or Gabbert at 3 (as I hope he does) becomes less of a tradgedy passing on Miller or one of the other great defensive prospects.
Art in PNS Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 (edited) 2 41 Torell Troup DT Central Florida 3 72 Alex Carrington DE Arkansas State 6 178 Arthur Moats OLB James Madison Anybody out here remember those guys? Sure, the Bills have the #3 pick this year and there are some awesome defensive players to choose from. But Troup sure seemed to be coming into his own towards the last 4 games last year, and Carrington hasn't even scratched the surface of his potential yet. Both those kids came out of smaller colleges so they need more time to acclimate, but they are still both high draft picks just entering into their second years. And then there's Arthur. If this kid picks up where he left off last year, Nix will end up with the absolute steal of the 2010 draft from last year's 6th round. Of course I would love to see the Bills pick Von Miller if they don't go for one of the two top QB's at 3. But who knows if Moats won't end up being even better then Miller by the time they both retire years from now?? And of course, Dave Wandstadt, former Super Bowl winning DC (over our beloved Bills ironically), has joined Chan to help the Bills rebuild. With him on board to help utilize Troup, Carrington and Moats better, choosing Newton or Gabbert at 3 (as I hope he does) becomes less of a tradgedy passing on Miller or one of the other great defensive prospects. We have not seen Danny Batten Play yet either do to his injury. I read an aticle on this years small school sleepers, and they discussed the authors picks for last year. He mentionned three of last years all went to Buffalo , one was Easley, one was Batten and I believe the third was Carrington may have been levi. Just looked and it was David Nelson, Levi and Batten. Edited April 22, 2011 by Art in RTP
K Gun Special Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 2 41 Torell Troup DT Central Florida 3 72 Alex Carrington DE Arkansas State 6 178 Arthur Moats OLB James Madison Anybody out here remember those guys? Sure, the Bills have the #3 pick this year and there are some awesome defensive players to choose from. But Troup sure seemed to be coming into his own towards the last 4 games last year, and Carrington hasn't even scratched the surface of his potential yet. Both those kids came out of smaller colleges so they need more time to acclimate, but they are still both high draft picks just entering into their second years. And then there's Arthur. If this kid picks up where he left off last year, Nix will end up with the absolute steal of the 2010 draft from last year's 6th round. Of course I would love to see the Bills pick Von Miller if they don't go for one of the two top QB's at 3. But who knows if Moats won't end up being even better then Miller by the time they both retire years from now?? And of course, Dave Wandstadt, former Super Bowl winning DC (over our beloved Bills ironically), has joined Chan to help the Bills rebuild. With him on board to help utilize Troup, Carrington and Moats better, choosing Newton or Gabbert at 3 (as I hope he does) becomes less of a tradgedy passing on Miller or one of the other great defensive prospects. No and the picks of Eric Wood and LEvitre the year before dont count either. We must draft lineman until the message board is satisfied. Only then can other positions be considered.
LabattBlue Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 (edited) Troup and Carrington did next to nothing last year(especially Carrington). Other than the fact they were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively, there were not many signs indicating that they will be future starters. They are just as likely to be busts. Only time will tell. PS And this was on a defense that was HORRIBLE last year. Edited April 22, 2011 by LabattBlue
buffaLove3 Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 2 41 Torell Troup DT Central Florida 3 72 Alex Carrington DE Arkansas State 6 178 Arthur Moats OLB James Madison Anybody out here remember those guys? Sure, the Bills have the #3 pick this year and there are some awesome defensive players to choose from. But Troup sure seemed to be coming into his own towards the last 4 games last year, and Carrington hasn't even scratched the surface of his potential yet. Both those kids came out of smaller colleges so they need more time to acclimate, but they are still both high draft picks just entering into their second years. And then there's Arthur. If this kid picks up where he left off last year, Nix will end up with the absolute steal of the 2010 draft from last year's 6th round. Of course I would love to see the Bills pick Von Miller if they don't go for one of the two top QB's at 3. But who knows if Moats won't end up being even better then Miller by the time they both retire years from now?? And of course, Dave Wandstadt, former Super Bowl winning DC (over our beloved Bills ironically), has joined Chan to help the Bills rebuild. With him on board to help utilize Troup, Carrington and Moats better, choosing Newton or Gabbert at 3 (as I hope he does) becomes less of a tradgedy passing on Miller or one of the other great defensive prospects. I love this post and absolutely agree. Not sure why so many fans don't give guys at least a year or two to develop at the NFL level (I might have given up on Maybin, though). Troup, Carrington, and Moats have potential to be solid players...they weren't going to be studs right away. I wouldn't be upset with either Gabbert or Miller at 3. I think either way we are improving next season
K Gun Special Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Troup and Carrington did next to nothing last year(especially Carrington). Other than the fact they were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively, there were not many signs indicating that they will be future starters. They are just as likely to be busts. Only time will tell. PS And this was on a defense that was HORRIBLE last year. OH yea we also had an aoffense that couldnt sustain drives meaning the D was on the field getting worn down all game. Most of the rushing yards given up came in the second half which should be no surprise. The defense needs more talent but you will be surprised how much better they will be when the offense can keep them off the field.
NoSaint Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Weird. Imagine if we had depth? Or if someone gets hurt/leaves in free agency/doesn't continue developing? It would be nice to have some of these questions answered. Heaven forbid we have 4-5 guys that can rotate on the line.
tennesseeboy Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 No and the picks of Eric Wood and LEvitre the year before dont count either. We must draft lineman until the message board is satisfied. Only then can other positions be considered. Actually we only have to draft linemen until we get a good line. There is a reason we haven't heard about these picks........THEY HAVEN'T PERFORMED ON THE FIELD!!! You guys remind me of what we say about how colled admission counselors make love...they sit on the side of the bed and tell you how great its going to be.
DreamOnDan Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Weird. Imagine if we had depth? Or if someone gets hurt/leaves in free agency/doesn't continue developing? It would be nice to have some of these questions answered. Heaven forbid we have 4-5 guys that can rotate on the line. I totally see what you are saying but before the bills start worrying about depth, they should first try to get competitive at most positions.. Just an opinion, obviously pobody's nerfect, or write on these matters:)
DrDawkinstein Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Troupe, Carrington, and Moats were all great picks that showed signs of being consistently solid NFL players. That being said, we still ended up 32nd against the run, and generally horrible all around. Our DL, while showing some positives from the kids, still lacks quality depth for a unit that regularly rotates. Edwards is aging and injured. Our LBs are questionable at best. I, personally, would love to see the Bills use the #3 pick on a dominating DL. Dareus or Fairley. I feel that picking a dominating trench player gives us the most likely return of investment, and can do so easier than a skills position player or even an OLB could. I also feel they'll contribute to improving the D more than any other pck can (Miller or Peterson for example) because trench players are around the ball on EVERY play. However, considering we got the 3 aforementioned players in rounds 2, 3, and 6... Im willing to accept a QB or even Von Miller at #3 IF AND ONLY IF we go "big nasties" in the next rounds. We must come out of the first 3 rounds with at least 2 MAJOR defensive picks.
K Gun Special Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Actually we only have to draft linemen until we get a good line. There is a reason we haven't heard about these picks........THEY HAVEN'T PERFORMED ON THE FIELD!!! You guys remind me of what we say about how colled admission counselors make love...they sit on the side of the bed and tell you how great its going to be. I tend to remember people raving about eric wood. And Levitre was a starter last year. Dont cross the moats? Troup was a rookie DT. They rarely contribute immediately. He will be a gamer. Drafting isnt an immediate result business.
Astrobot Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 I think Antonio Coleman is going to factor in this year as well as these other previous draft picks.
jumbalaya Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 I love this post and absolutely agree. Not sure why so many fans don't give guys at least a year or two to develop at the NFL level (I might have given up on Maybin, though). Troup, Carrington, and Moats have potential to be solid players...they weren't going to be studs right away. I wouldn't be upset with either Gabbert or Miller at 3. I think either way we are improving next season TAll playersl need time to develop even if they do and that is still an if as they did not show much you need a lot of quality line man, a lot of them. Taking dareus/fairley/jordan etc in rd 1 and following that up with a true NT is the best way to fix this defense. All of the LBs will look better if they had people eating up the lineman in front of them. As much as our d backfield pass defense ranking is skewed because no one has to pass our LBs are a little maligned because there is no beef in front of them. If we do go VOn we have to take an NT in rd 2 and put off QB for another year. With any Luck we will get him.
Astrobot Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 TAll playersl need time to develop even if they do and that is still an if as they did not show much you need a lot of quality line man, a lot of them. Taking dareus/fairley/jordan etc in rd 1 and following that up with a true NT is the best way to fix this defense. All of the LBs will look better if they had people eating up the lineman in front of them. As much as our d backfield pass defense ranking is skewed because no one has to pass our LBs are a little maligned because there is no beef in front of them. If we do go VOn we have to take an NT in rd 2 and put off QB for another year. With any Luck we will get him. Miller then Taylor-Baylor is an interesting way to do that. I still think ILB will need to be drafted early in this particular draft. How about NT Kenrick Ellis with our first RD4 pick?
smuvtalker Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Troup and Carrington did next to nothing last year(especially Carrington). Other than the fact they were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively, there were not many signs indicating that they will be future starters. They are just as likely to be busts. Only time will tell. PS And this was on a defense that was HORRIBLE last year. Agree with this post 100%. It is kind of weird hearing people talk about the promise and the potential of Troup and Carrington, when I didn't see anything remotely special out of either of them. I watched every game last year, and yes, I may have been inebriated in one or seven of those games, but I still don't recall seeing them do anything.
Art in PNS Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 I am not trying to say that the Bills have not made there share and then some of mistakes but Mostly Football is not an immediate gratification sport. Jimbo Played in the USFL for 2-3 years before he came back to Buffalo . Bruuuuce was overweight and looked like a bust till year three in most peoples eyes. Fat pat was a practice squad player before he got a shot and now everyone thinks he was a perrenial all pro from Day 1. The list goes on. We have Easley and Nelson who have played nothing but have the big Potential . If CJ breaks out this year ????? All I am saying is give these guys a chance . If this draft loads us up on Defense , at the least these guys will be good back ups. With a little luck this team is much better this year, we are on the verge and this draft may be just what we need to solidify some shaky positions.
808 Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 I think Antonio Coleman is going to factor in this year as well as these other previous draft picks. im on board with that. i hope he really turns it on this year
HansLanda Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 I'm very interested in seeing how Easley looks. He was looking like a stud in camp prior to his injury. It also sounded like he was healthy mid way through the year.
Bangarang Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Troup and Carrington did next to nothing last year(especially Carrington). Other than the fact they were drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively, there were not many signs indicating that they will be future starters. They are just as likely to be busts. Only time will tell. PS And this was on a defense that was HORRIBLE last year. It's not uncommon for defensive lineman to take a few years to develop.
Koufax Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Or we can try to get the three best football players we have available to us? Rather than try to play the weld-the-weakest-link-in-our-53-link-chain? I think Buddy understands this better than most of the fans do, and I hope he has good luck and good talent evaluations as he executes this philosophy. Who we pick at #3 or after should have very little to do with who we have on our weak 53 man roster. We are looking for 10 year players ideally, and at the very least five year contributions. Nobody is going to remember what was wrong with the 2010 Bills, and we aren't one player away. So let's get great football players and stop worrying about who needs to be replaced the most out of Kelsey, Bell, Fitzpatrick, or Stroud. We must come out of the first 3 rounds with at least 2 MAJOR defensive picks.
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