JinWPB Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 If Buffalo moved from 3 down outside the top 10, then there's a chance of nabbing an extra 2nd rounder, but now you've really put yourself outside the top tier of talent. And if you believe what you say, that you can't fix everything in one year, why worry about getting an extra pick and missing out on an elite talent? Just get the best players you can get with the picks you have, and re-assess after 2011. This years crop of defensive players show exceptional talent and there appears to be true 1st rnd ability thru the top of rnd 2. The draft value chart what most teams use to fairly exchange draft slots shows the #3 pick to be worth 2200 pts. Washington for example would needs to give up it's #10 1300pts, #41 2nd rd 490 pts and next years 1st rnd which is unknown and is valued as a mid round pick at 1/2 value or 500 pts.This is a few points over but it is a sellers market, the Bills could sweeten it for them by returning a 4th rd pick # 99 or 125. The Bills could still draft a stud defender that in other years might go much higher than #10, pick up a bonus starter at #41 Kyle Rudolph for example and use the 1st Rnd pick in 2012 as they see fit .I could see this play out with the Vikings as a partner also if Newton or Gabbert are there at #3.
John from Riverside Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Of course elite players can be found outside the top 5, but that's not really the issue. The issue is that, at No. 3 overall, you have your choice of any college football player in the country save for 2. If they feel that all of the guys you mentioned can help, why wouldn't they just draft the guy that they like the best at No. 3? Would you agree that it's highly likely that Nix and Co. prefer one of those players to the others? Why risk losing out on the player you like the most when you don't have to? To me, it's not about just getting a guy that can help immediately; it's about getting the best player you can get. If player A grades out higher than player B, why move down? Just take player A...that's my point. OK.....lets just say for arguements sake (and by the way this is ALL ASSUMING that Darius is not there at 3....because that is a no brainer for me) - Lets say the Bills are not sold on Cam or Gabbert if they are there at 3....maybe they think Ponder or Dalton or Mallett give them the same thing in the 2nd - So now there is Peterson....but we dont really need a corner - So now there is one of the wideouts.....but this is no really a need area either - There is Von Miller....now THIS would be hard to pass up BUT you do in fact have LBs available a little later Keep in mind that there is gonna be some really good talent STARTING good talent in the 2nd round of this draft....it has been rated as such.......and now for arguements sake lets say they really like Quinn who looks like an absolute beast AND many say that had he not missed last year HE would have gone in the top 5 of this draft..... So say they now move down and take Quinn......you have a starter and are instantly better at LB BUT NOW you also have a additional pick of that good 2nd round talent..... Now factor in that someone always for no inexplicable reason falls in the draft....someone that has no business dropping out of the top 15 but here he sits in the 2nd....and because you accumulated that additional pick you have the opportunity to take him Personally? I think they are going to stand fast and draft Von Miller at 3.....his potential is just too insane and would start immediately
thebandit27 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 This years crop of defensive players show exceptional talent and there appears to be true 1st rnd ability thru the top of rnd 2. The draft value chart what most teams use to fairly exchange draft slots shows the #3 pick to be worth 2200 pts. Washington for example would needs to give up it's #10 1300pts, #41 2nd rd 490 pts and next years 1st rnd which is unknown and is valued as a mid round pick at 1/2 value or 500 pts.This is a few points over but it is a sellers market, the Bills could sweeten it for them by returning a 4th rd pick # 99 or 125. The Bills could still draft a stud defender that in other years might go much higher than #10, pick up a bonus starter at #41 Kyle Rudolph for example and use the 1st Rnd pick in 2012 as they see fit .I could see this play out with the Vikings as a partner also if Newton or Gabbert are there at #3. I get all that, I really do. There are, however, 2 issues here: 1) That draft trade chart is no longer used by most teams, in fact, it's quite out-dated. It was drummed up in 1989, 22 years ago, before the top picks commanded salaries with guarantees in excess of $30M, $40M, or even $50M. This fact by itself really lessens the trade value of the top picks. There's no way Buffalo is going to get such a bounty for the #3 pick. 2) Just because there is a depth of first-round talent, that doesn't mean that there isn't still a drop-off between the top players and the next tier. So again, why pass on the better players? OK.....lets just say for arguements sake (and by the way this is ALL ASSUMING that Darius is not there at 3....because that is a no brainer for me) - Lets say the Bills are not sold on Cam or Gabbert if they are there at 3....maybe they think Ponder or Dalton or Mallett give them the same thing in the 2nd - So now there is Peterson....but we dont really need a corner - So now there is one of the wideouts.....but this is no really a need area either - There is Von Miller....now THIS would be hard to pass up BUT you do in fact have LBs available a little later Keep in mind that there is gonna be some really good talent STARTING good talent in the 2nd round of this draft....it has been rated as such.......and now for arguements sake lets say they really like Quinn who looks like an absolute beast AND many say that had he not missed last year HE would have gone in the top 5 of this draft..... So say they now move down and take Quinn......you have a starter and are instantly better at LB BUT NOW you also have a additional pick of that good 2nd round talent..... Now factor in that someone always for no inexplicable reason falls in the draft....someone that has no business dropping out of the top 15 but here he sits in the 2nd....and because you accumulated that additional pick you have the opportunity to take him Personally? I think they are going to stand fast and draft Von Miller at 3.....his potential is just too insane and would start immediately My only problem with that scenario is this: suppose Buffalo moves down to 5, with Quinn being the apparent target at that spot. Then Cincinnati at 4 decides they don't have a huge disparity between AJ Green and Julio Jones, so they move down to 6, and Cleveland moves up to 4 to get Quinn. Obviously, there's no way to predict all of this, but the point remains: why risk it? Too much factoring involved for me; take the guy you like at 3 and remove all doubt.
theman331 Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 When our 34 pick comes up if Ponder, Cam Heyward, Kyle Rudolph and Andy Dalton are still on the board who do you take?. It would be interesting to see if it falls like that
beast34 Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 It would depend on who we drafted at 3. Given your scenereo if we end up with a QB round 1 i like Heyward in round 2, or if we drafted DL round 1 i would likely go with Ponder.
bisonbrigade Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 I like Von Miller in the 1st round, 2nd round Cameron Heyward. Total upgrade of a pitiful defense. Screw a QB, none of them are that great.
NewEra Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 I like Von Miller in the 1st round, 2nd round Cameron Heyward. Total upgrade of a pitiful defense. Screw a QB, none of them are that great. I agree with your first statement. I'd be stoked to get Miller and Heyward. I don't agree with your last. We have NO IDEA if any of them are that great. That's one thing I am CERTAIN of.
Bangarang Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 It really all depends who we select with our 1st round pick. I can assure you though that I'm never picking Dalton at 34.
T master Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Dalton is my pick the kid just wins where ever he goes & is very mobile which is a plus !!
KOKBILLS Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Rudolph for sure... Can The Bills PLEASE get a top TE someday?
thewildrabbit Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Show me proof that Nix didn't try and trade down? Or are you just throwing crap at the wall and hoping something sticks? Brian Bulaga? Isn't that the same guy that failed miserably as a guard for the Packers and only started because of injuries? I can tell you that Nix openly stated he doesn't like to trade back, the Bills did select a RB that was supposed to make the O line block better, but then didn't play much at all last year, and was a wasted pick IMO. I love how it's so easy to trade a top 3 pick these days. I guess the fact that there is no CBA makes things so much more easier. Jeez.... Bryan Bulaga didn't start until game 5, but then he started in every game the rest of the season at RIGHT TACKLE! He beat out two vets that were not injured to get the start in game 5. He went on to be named to the NFL ALL-Rookie team and when the Packers won the SB he became the youngest player to ever win a super bowl. The Packers drafted him to eventually become their starting left tackle, but for now he is their starting RT. The Bills could have plugged this kid in from day one, and that RT position would have been solid all year, instead of having to bring in walk-ons off the street.
Chandler#81 Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Rudolph for sure... Can The Bills PLEASE get a top TE someday? Easley?
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 My prediction is Miller in the first, though I hope Daerus drops for us. In the second, after watching Gruden show I would take Dalton if available, if not Locker.
BillsPhan Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 When our 34 pick comes up if Ponder, Cam Heyward, Kyle Rudolph and Andy Dalton are still on the board who do you take?. It would be interesting to see if it falls like that I want Newton or Gabbert if either one is there at 3, so of course I would want Ponder or Dalton at 34, based on your exact choices. Easley? Isn't he a tall WR?? I didn't think he was anywhere near big enough weight-wise, to convert to a TE, unless you have heard that the coaches have been trying to bulk him up during his rehab from his season ending injury last year??
mattsox Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 I take Rudolph. We haven't had a real TE in so long Yep. Sounds good to me. Haven't had a legitmate threat since Riemersma.
KOKBILLS Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Easley? He was like 6-2-210 coming out...I've never heard a single word about him moving to TE and even though he's a decent sized WR he would be WAY short and small for TE... I don't understand why his name is coming up as a possible TE? Because someone said he looked big at these workouts? Did he grow 3 inches?...
EldaBillsFan Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 The Pats want to trade that 2nd round pick..... So they invite all off the 2nd rd QB's with all the hype to get 2 or 3 future picks ... Evil! I tell u
Astrobot Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Say San Francisco (who has 12 picks in this draft) offers its RD3, two RD4's and one of its RD6's for the 2nd pick of the 2nd round. Do you do it? Here's my simulation of that trade to stimulate discussion: 1 3 Buffalo Von Miller OLB34 Texas A&M 2 45 Buffalo Andy Dalton QB TCU 3 68 Buffalo D.J. Williams TE Arkansas 3 76 Buffalo Jerrell Powe DT34 Mississippi 4 100 Buffalo Casey Matthews ILB Oregon 4 108 Buffalo Lawrence Guy DE34 Arizona State 4 115 Buffalo Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 4 122 Buffalo James Carpenter OT Alabama 5 133 Buffalo Shane Vereen RBF California 6 169 Buffalo R. Carmichael CB Virginia Tech 6 174 Buffalo Jo. Barksdale OT LSU 7 206 Buffalo Zach Pianalto TE North Carolina 7 245 Buffalo Jeff Maehl WRS Oregon P4R
ieatcrayonz Posted April 22, 2011 Posted April 22, 2011 Say San Francisco (who has 12 picks in this draft) offers its RD3, two RD4's and one of its RD6's for the 2nd pick of the 2nd round. Do you do it? Here's my simulation of that trade to stimulate discussion: 1 3 Buffalo Von Miller OLB34 Texas A&M 2 45 Buffalo Andy Dalton QB TCU 3 68 Buffalo D.J. Williams TE Arkansas 3 76 Buffalo Jerrell Powe DT34 Mississippi 4 100 Buffalo Casey Matthews ILB Oregon 4 108 Buffalo Lawrence Guy DE34 Arizona State 4 115 Buffalo Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio State 4 122 Buffalo James Carpenter OT Alabama 5 133 Buffalo Shane Vereen RBF California 6 169 Buffalo R. Carmichael CB Virginia Tech 6 174 Buffalo Jo. Barksdale OT LSU 7 206 Buffalo Zach Pianalto TE North Carolina 7 245 Buffalo Jeff Maehl WRS Oregon P4R As long as we can get Casey Matthews in the 4th anything you do is fine with me.
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