DC Tom Posted April 18, 2011 Posted April 18, 2011 health care does not equal porn even if a prominent surgeon feels there are beneficial mood effects from semen for females (see my off the wall post). No, it doesn't...but if the measure of what the government should provide is "what people like", then why should they be treated any differently?
finknottle Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Because health care and other things government's provide are things people like, so we will pay for them I don't understand what you mean by 'we will pay for them.'
Joe Miner Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Why do we have to buy it? So we don't have a spending problem it's only a revenue problem? Yeah, obviously it's a revenue problem. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704621304576267113524583554.html
IDBillzFan Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Instant-View-SP-revises-US-rb-2897658395.html;_ylt=AqR.uSbAthwe92.yP5JE6Qi7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1NGJyNHRlBHBvcwMzBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzBHNsawNzYW1wcHJldmlzZXM-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode= Either taxes go up, the poor get starved or we kick grandma out of the nursing home, but something has to get done Hey, Dave...here's another reason your stocks were down: Obama "fiscal policy" speech was so bad.... How bad was it? There is only one reason the rating agency could suddenly have turned this dark on politics in Washington: President Obama's speech at George Washington University last Wednesday. Mr. Obama's "fiscal policy" speech may have sent progressive pundits cart-wheeling, but its political effect was to poison the prospect for budget negotiations. The harshness of Mr. Obama's anti-Republican rhetoric and the universal conclusion that this was a Presidential campaign speech make it very difficult for GOP Congressional leaders to believe they can enter into a budget negotiation in which the White House will deal in good faith. The upside to Obama is by the time America kicks him to the curb, the progressive movement will be set back about 300 years or so. There'll be nothing left but the ashen remains of a three-way featuring Dave in Norfolk, Nancy Pelosi and Paul Krugman. Woof.
birdog1960 Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 My money. I don't need the government paying for my health care. I'm a big boy I can take care of it myself thank you your pockets must be incredibly deep. do you have any inkling as to what a liver transplant might cost you?
Chef Jim Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) your pockets must be incredibly deep. do you have any inkling as to what a liver transplant might cost you? My life insurance will pick up what my health insurance won't. See I believe in protecting myself and my family. I don't need the goverment's help. Edited April 19, 2011 by Chef Jim
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted April 19, 2011 Author Posted April 19, 2011 Well that was a quick crisis! My stocks already closing in on pre-crisis levels. And yields on treasury bonds actually fell, lol. The "crisis" in the dollar sent investors running to the safe dollar for safety. I also can't help but think this s &p thing was meant more as a warning to the Tea Party over the debt limit, but that's just my hunch
Gary M Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Well that was a quick crisis! My stocks already closing in on pre-crisis levels. And yields on treasury bonds actually fell, lol. The "crisis" in the dollar sent investors running to the safe dollar for safety. I also can't help but think this s &p thing was meant more as a warning to the Tea Party over the debt limit, but that's just my hunch
Chef Jim Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 I also can't help but think this s &p thing was meant more as a warning to the Tea Party over the debt limit, but that's just my hunch I suggest you keep your hunches to yourself in the future.
....lybob Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Well that was a quick crisis! My stocks already closing in on pre-crisis levels. And yields on treasury bonds actually fell, lol. The "crisis" in the dollar sent investors running to the safe dollar for safety. I also can't help but think this s &p thing was meant more as a warning to the Tea Party over the debt limit, but that's just my hunch Can't be a warning to the Tea Party they're oblivious to reality.
Rob's House Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Can't be a warning to the Tea Party they're oblivious to reality. Yes, tea baggers are baschit insane. They don't understand that cutting $150 billion in defense funds and taxing an extra $300 billion from the rich will eliminate a $1.6 trillion deficit.
....lybob Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Yes, tea baggers are baschit insane. Calling them Tea Baggers is a little bit harsh Rob but yes they are insane.
IDBillzFan Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Can't be a warning to the Tea Party they're oblivious to reality. Not only that, they barely register a blip on the political scene any more. They've been reduced to the size of the Coffee Party. Okay, maybe not that small because there's more than three of them, but no one pays attention to the tea party folks any more. Who pays any attention to people who prefer less government in their lives, reduced spending, lower taxes and adherence to the constitution? No one, I'm telling ya. Absolutely no one.
Joe Miner Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Perhaps before we start crying for taxes to be raised we could start collecting them a bit more efficiently: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704621304576267113524583554.html
DC Tom Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Perhaps before we start crying for taxes to be raised we could start collecting them a bit more efficiently: I've been saying that for years. Hell, just closing the loopholes that most commonly lead to audits would probably generate significant tax revenue and savings. Would also put a lot of accountants out of business...so we need a complex tax code, as a jobs program.
Chef Jim Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 I've been saying that for years. Hell, just closing the loopholes that most commonly lead to audits would probably generate significant tax revenue and savings. Would also put a lot of accountants out of business...so we need a complex tax code, as a jobs program. Or get accountants and CPA's to stop signing off on bogus tax returns. My wife and I had a side import business a number of years ago that was making little or no money after the write offs. He said we were going to have to start showing income from it or the IRS was going to question whether or not it was a legitimate business. I see returns all the time with six figure gross receipts and zero taxable income.
truth on hold Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 spending problem, not a revenue problem. taxing or borrowing is simply a financing decision. Defense budget is about 3x higher than it needs to be. And unlike Social Security there's no explicit agreement to make payouts to working people like me that have paid into it for years. Massive cutting of defense is the main solution.
Joe Miner Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 spending problem, not a revenue problem. taxing or borrowing is simply a financing decision. Defense budget is about 3x higher than it needs to be. And unlike Social Security there's no explicit agreement to make payouts to working people like me that have paid into it for years. Massive cutting of defense is the main solution. Let's say we eliminate the defense budget. Does that fix anything?
Peace Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 spending problem, not a revenue problem. taxing or borrowing is simply a financing decision. Defense budget is about 3x higher than it needs to be. And unlike Social Security there's no explicit agreement to make payouts to working people like me that have paid into it for years. Massive cutting of defense is the main solution. Defense is part of the problem. Cutting back on the poverty-sustenance system is also part of the solution. Everyone is going to take a lickin' to get a real solution on the books. Ryan is a dolt for not proposing defense cuts past the pittance Obama already agreed to. The Dems are retarded to think that they can keep Obamacare, the Medis (bot CAID and CARE Magox), and Social Security intact. Gore all oxes.
Rob's House Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 spending problem, not a revenue problem. taxing or borrowing is simply a financing decision. Defense budget is about 3x higher than it needs to be. And unlike Social Security there's no explicit agreement to make payouts to working people like me that have paid into it for years. Massive cutting of defense is the main solution. 2 questions: What is the annual defense budget? What is the annual budget deficit?
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