John from Riverside Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Now that's a copout! I understand why you balked though, since no such video exists showing Miller as having the physicalness which would translate to him being worthy of a #3 overall NFL OLB pick. Quinn had neither a good nor a bad FSU game. You even admitted that they game planned it that way. FSU did screen them to death. Quinn's good but sorry he's not 10 feet tall so as to swat away those screen passes. BTW, that kind of game plan would never work in the NFL. We ARE talking about what they'll do in the NFL after all, not in college where you have these wacky catch and chuck college QB friendly systems. If the Bills are in 3rd and long, I want a monster like Quinn in there, not a glorified strong safety who simply does not posses enough size or power to disengage blockers on a regular enough basis. C'mon man, show me the video! Its there but frankly I hope New Era doesnt take the time to provide and debate it with you.....your one sided obviously uneducated view would probably take a play where Von Miller got pushed past the QB by a OT where the QB brought the ball down and was sacked or ran for no gain...... THE REST OF THE WORLD - Did you see the pressure that Von Miller got right there and disrupted the play.....kids a beast! 1billsfan - Did you see Von Miller miss that tackle? Did you see how that OT dominated him? Forget the fact that Von Miller beat the OT and the only thing he could do was shove Von in the back in hopes of keeping him away from his QB.......Von didn't directly deliver the bone jarring hit on that sequence so he lost that matchup Sometimes debating with people here is fun....sometimes its worthless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Its there but frankly I hope New Era doesnt take the time to provide and debate it with you.....your one sided obviously uneducated view would probably take a play where Von Miller got pushed past the QB by a OT where the QB brought the ball down and was sacked or ran for no gain...... THE REST OF THE WORLD - Did you see the pressure that Von Miller got right there and disrupted the play.....kids a beast! 1billsfan - Did you see Von Miller miss that tackle? Did you see how that OT dominated him? Forget the fact that Von Miller beat the OT and the only thing he could do was shove Von in the back in hopes of keeping him away from his QB.......Von didn't directly deliver the bone jarring hit on that sequence so he lost that matchup Sometimes debating with people here is fun....sometimes its worthless You couldn't be more correct. It's a complete waste of time debating with this guy. I'll refrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Yea...Because they're going to show Ponder getting sacked and NAILED in a PONDER scouting report and Ponder highlight video. He had 1 tackle that game, similar stat output in all his games against actual competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreReed83 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) He had 1 tackle that game, similar stat output in all his games against actual competition. Stats don't tell the entire story. But I guess you missed my thread on that. It's stat junkies like you that can't see the whole picture and know NOTHING about what they're talking about. There's a reason why he's being double and triple teamed and held. Cuz he's just that good. Sure I can read all the player's stats and base my comments off their numbers but what would that prove? Nothing Edited April 19, 2011 by DreReed83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Well I've said my last word in this futile and circular debate. My opinions are on the record. I'm patient enough to let their play on NFL fields be the last word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Stats don't tell the entire story. But I guess you missed my thread on that. It's stat junkies like you that can't see the whole picture and know NOTHING about what they're talking about. There's a reason why he's being double and triple teamed and held. Cuz he's just that good. Sure I can read all the player's stats and base my comments off their numbers but what would that prove? Nothing Well, they prove quite a lot. But a person of high intellect like yourself would seemingly know that they're an essential piece of the puzzle in determining a player's worth. Not the whole pie, but a substantial piece. Also, don't you think he's have even better stats given the amount of quality defensive(rounds 1-3) talent on that team (also why I don't buy the "he's getting triple-teamed" argument). Real big red flag for me there. He's the 2011 Vernon Gholston to me. Except Gholston actually beat Jake Long for a sack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Well, they prove quite a lot. But a person of high intellect like yourself would seemingly know that they're an essential piece of the puzzle in determining a player's worth. Not the whole pie, but a substantial piece. Also, don't you think he's have even better stats given the amount of quality defensive(rounds 1-3) talent on that team (also why I don't buy the "he's getting triple-teamed" argument). Real big red flag for me there. He's the 2011 Vernon Gholston to me. Except Gholston actually beat Jake Long for a sack... Are you suggesting that the LT from Virginia isn't as good as Jake Long? C'mon, man. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Are you suggesting that the LT from Virginia isn't as good as Jake Long? C'mon, man. GO BILLS!!! Who do you mean? My sarcasm detector is weak at best so I can't decipher. Eugene Monroe was already drafted if that's who you mean, but Long is 10x the player he'll ever be anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Stats don't tell the entire story. But I guess you missed my thread on that. It's stat junkies like you that can't see the whole picture and know NOTHING about what they're talking about. There's a reason why he's being double and triple teamed and held. Cuz he's just that good. Sure I can read all the player's stats and base my comments off their numbers but what would that prove? Nothing We all read your thread. That doesn't mean it's correct. I agree that stats aren't everything, but when you look at the leagues all time greats, they have stats to back it up. Bruce was double and triple teamed his entire career, did that stop him from getting 200? Same with Reggie, Greene, doleman, jones, etc... They were all game planned against, double and triple teamed and still got their sacks. When your specialty is getting to the QB, you have to actually get to the QB. I may be wrong, but i believe Quinn had 0 sacks and 0-3 tackles in 6 or 7 of his 13 games in his only good season. Now if he had that season, coupled with other good seasons, one could say that his stats don't matter. But that was his ONLY productive season. I understand, you watch the guy play, and you're impressed with his abilities, as am I, but the guy is FAR from being a can't miss prospect. There is MUCH risk involved with drafting him. Much more so than the midget you hate so much, IMO. 1 good year in which he had 3-4 good games. That's not a guy that should be taken #3 overall. If we drafted him, I'd smile and hope for the best, for I think he has the tools to be effective. But he'd probably go down as the riskiest pick ever at #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Who do you mean? My sarcasm detector is weak at best so I can't decipher. Eugene Monroe was already drafted if that's who you mean, but Long is 10x the player he'll ever be anyway. Total sarcasm. The LT from Virginia in the Quinn highlight video is a total scrubini. But some around here want to make Quinn's play against him a testament to Quinn's talent. To be fair, Quinn handed the Virginia tackle his lunch in that game in 2009 and did just what you'd expect a superior player to do. My point was that it wasn't as though Quinn was going against Jake Long in that game. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 No to Quinn. No to Miller. YES to Big DL or QB. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Total sarcasm. The LT from Virginia in the Quinn highlight video is a total scrubini. But some around here want to make Quinn's play against him a testament to Quinn's talent. To be fair, Quinn handed the Virginia tackle his lunch in that game in 2009 and did just what you'd expect a superior player to do. My point was that it wasn't as though Quinn was going against Jake Long in that game. GO BILLS!!! That's what I was thinking but I'm bad at detecting it. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) "I'm not going to post a Miller video because I'm afraid 1billsfan will fun of him." Guys, nothing I or anyone of you say, will have any bearing on who the Bills will pick. If the last 10 years don't remind you of that fact then nothing will. This is all supposed to be for fun. I'm sorry if I've been too harsh. If the Bills pick Miller I will cheer him on and hope that he's the next Clay Matthews, maybe even better. I do think there's a chance of that happening. But for that to happen he will have to be physical at the next level. That's where my hang up is with him, but geez don't take this so seriously. Let's enjoy these two weeks, we deserve it right?… Edited April 19, 2011 by 1billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 No to Quinn. No to Miller. YES to Big DL or QB. Simple as that. If nothing else Dank, you're consistent about not wanting a LB. Assuming Dareus and Newton are gone, who would you like to see? Gabbert? Fairley? For me, if it's going to be a DL at No. 3, and it's not Dareus, I'd go with J.J. Watt...you? "I'm not going to post a Miller video because I'm afraid 1billsfan will fun of him." Guys, nothing I or anyone of you say, will have any bearing on who the Bills will pick. If the last 10 years don't remind you of that fact then nothing will. This is all supposed to be for fun. I'm sorry if I've been too harsh. If the Bills pick Miller I will cheer him on and hope that he's the next Clay Matthews, maybe even better. I do think there's a chance of that happening. But for that to happen he will have to be physical at the next level. That's where my hang up is with him, but geez don't take this so seriously. Let's enjoy these two weeks, we deserve it right?… I, for one, do not think you've been too harsh. You have your opinion and you're willing to stand by it; perhaps you've been a bit close-minded, but we're all guilty of that from time to time. Hey, we're all Bills' fans here, and the sometimes-heated debates tend to sprout from the fact that we all just want the team to make the right moves and get better. No harm, no foul as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 If nothing else Dank, you're consistent about not wanting a LB. Assuming Dareus and Newton are gone, who would you like to see? Gabbert? Fairley? For me, if it's going to be a DL at No. 3, and it's not Dareus, I'd go with J.J. Watt...you? I, for one, do not think you've been too harsh. You have your opinion and you're willing to stand by it; perhaps you've been a bit close-minded, but we're all guilty of that from time to time. Hey, we're all Bills' fans here, and the sometimes-heated debates tend to sprout from the fact that we all just want the team to make the right moves and get better. No harm, no foul as far as I'm concerned. Thanks man. This is a passionate pick for us fans. I get that. I hope that my style of debating doesn't come across as meanness towards my fellow Bills fans. I'm going to relax on the LOLs for a while, I think that's been annoying some. For me it's like an "are you kidding me?" in an argument. Whoever they pick, some fans will be happy, some will be upset, and all fans will hope they made the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreReed83 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 No to Quinn. No to Miller. YES to Big DL or QB. Simple as that. So Gabbert or Fairley? I'll put my money on Gabbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Of course the Quinn highlight videos are going to show him making good plays. The point is, it only shows his great plays. Everyone looks good on their highlight reels. Those are the select good plays he made. What does he do on the plays that he doesn't get a sack or a tackles. Does he take himself out of the play? I like your style Era. Here is a Von Miller "highlight" clip. I think it shows the exact concerns that you have. Taking himself out of the play. Lack of effectiveness against the run. We need to see the warts too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoQII6vrPHE Sometimes debating with people here is fun....sometimes its worthless You mean like floating a Ponder highlight video out there in a thread called "found some tape of Quinn"? LAME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) So Gabbert or Fairley? I'll put my money on Gabbert. Im not a fan of Gabbert at all, but if it came down to Gabbert, Miller, or Quinn I'd be happiest with Gabbert. But this choice is like choosing my "hottest cousin" And if it came down to Fairley, Miller, or Quinn, I'd want Fairley, no question. If nothing else Dank, you're consistent about not wanting a LB. Assuming Dareus and Newton are gone, who would you like to see? Gabbert? Fairley? For me, if it's going to be a DL at No. 3, and it's not Dareus, I'd go with J.J. Watt...you? If Dareus is gone by #3, Id go Cam Jordan. With Fairley being a close 2nd choice. Edited April 19, 2011 by DrDankenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 hmm. i don't understand why a 2011 analysis is using footage from 2010. (that's colt mccoy he's chasing around) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 hmm. i don't understand why a 2011 analysis is using footage from 2010. (that's colt mccoy he's chasing around) Colt McCoy was in the NFL for the 2010 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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