Rob's House Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) I'm not trying to say it's an easy problem or that there is a clear-cut way to deal with it. That said, I would not have a problem with fines + monthly weigh-ins. You solution is to do nothing because if you want to have fat kids, well this is America dammit. Maybe a good compromise (as a start) would be to mandate nutritious, sensible school lunches and not allow brown-bags full of the crap that their parents normally fatten them up with. I'm assuming to bold statement applies only to those who are morbidly obese. I don't agree with this level of government intrusion, but I do find it far less offensive than the busy-body soccer mom types that want to tax fast food and ban trans fats for adults like myself. I make conscious informed decisions weighing health factors vs. enjoyment/convenience and make MY decision. When someone tries to tell me what I can or can't eat, I literally want to pound their !@#$ing face, not because of some abstract sense of freedom, but because of the real world inconvenience. If I'm at Burger King and some vagina tells me I can't order b/c he has an opinion that I need to comply with(think Clerks/cancer mercant scene)I'd be happy to break his jaw for him. Edited April 12, 2011 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I'm assuming to bold statement applies only to those who are morbidly obese. I don't agree with this level of government intrusion, but I do find it far less offensive than the busy-body soccer mom types that want to tax fast food and ban trans fats for adults like myself. I make conscious informed decisions weighing health factors vs. enjoyment/convenience and make MY decision. When someone tries to tell me what I can or can't eat, I literally want to pound their !@#$ing face, not because of some abstract sense of freedom, but because of the real world inconvenience. If I'm at Burger King and some vagina tells me I can't order b/c he has an opinion that I need to comply with(think Clerks/cancer mercant scene)I'd be happy to break his jaw for him. I was attempting to show that the original idea that this thread was based upon is maybe not as crazy and intrusive as it sounds, given the alternatives. Again, you can do what you want with yourself. Have some more trans fats. Smoke another cigarette. Watch some more TV. Skip the gym. Become sedentary. Have a heart attack. We'll all end up paying for your bad choices in the end, but go ahead and let yourself go! The soccer moms point is well-taken because they're as full of **** as anyone. If you're going to restrict anything, make sure it's based on real evidence. Trans fats are really bad for you, BTW. There needs to be some level of accountability for your kids if you're a parent, however, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I was attempting to show that the original idea that this thread was based upon is maybe not as crazy and intrusive as it sounds, given the alternatives. Again, you can do what you want with yourself. Have some more trans fats. Smoke another cigarette. Watch some more TV. Skip the gym. Become sedentary. Have a heart attack. (a)We'll all end up paying for your bad choices in the end, but go ahead and let yourself go! The soccer moms point is well-taken because they're as full of **** as anyone. If you're going to restrict anything, make sure it's based on real evidence. Trans fats are really bad for you, BTW. (b)There needs to be some level of accountability for your kids if you're a parent, however, IMO. a. Not if the government isn't supplying my medical care. b. That's why I don't have that much of a problem with what you're suggesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) a. Not if the government isn't supplying my medical care. b. That's why I don't have that much of a problem with what you're suggesting Even if you're paying for your own healthcare, a fat-ass diseased Rob's House is much more of a burden on an already overtaxed system than is a fit Rob's House. Socialist concept, I know, but isn't it easier to just take care of yourself? My two year old doesn't like to eat his vegetables, but as an adult I know better and so should you. There's little doubt that all hell would break loose if somebody tried to tell all of our most "personally responsible" citizens that... The idea of having responsibility for your kids is obvious unless you want to go all small-government-on-principle about it. Edited April 12, 2011 by Gene Frenkle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Even if you're paying for your own healthcare, a fat-ass diseased Rob's House is much more of a burden on an already overtaxed system than is a fit Rob's House. Socialist concept, I know, but isn't it easier to just take care of yourself? My two year old doesn't like to eat his vegetables, but as an adult I know better and so should you. There's little doubt that all hell would break loose if somebody tried to tell all of our most "personally responsible" citizens that... The idea of having responsibility for your kid's is obvious unless you want to go all small-government-on-principle about it. I do take care of myself, but according to my choices, not someone elses. I do bench press and curls but skip the jogging. I eat salads and vegetables, but I also like Big Macs. I like to drink more than I'm sure the Surgeon General would reccommend, and sometimes I give in to the temptation to smoke. The point is, my life might be marginally longer, but would be much less satisfying if I had a den mother forcing me to do what she deemed the "right thing". You only live once, why compromise the quality of life to be a !@#$ing boy scout? I vote for adults to have no den mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I do take care of myself, but according to my choices, not someone elses. I do bench press and curls but skip the jogging. I eat salads and vegetables, but I also like Big Macs. I like to drink more than I'm sure the Surgeon General would reccommend, and sometimes I give in to the temptation to smoke. The point is, my life might be marginally longer, but would be much less satisfying if I had a den mother forcing me to do what she deemed the "right thing". You only live once, why compromise the quality of life to be a !@#$ing boy scout? I vote for adults to have no den mother. Good for you, way to be. I mean that. If more Americans were like you we'd be a lot better off as a whole. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I'm assuming to bold statement applies only to those who are morbidly obese. I don't agree with this level of government intrusion, but I do find it far less offensive than the busy-body soccer mom types that want to tax fast food and ban trans fats for adults like myself. I make conscious informed decisions weighing health factors vs. enjoyment/convenience and make MY decision. When someone tries to tell me what I can or can't eat, I literally want to pound their !@#$ing face, not because of some abstract sense of freedom, but because of the real world inconvenience. If I'm at Burger King and some vagina tells me I can't order b/c he has an opinion that I need to comply with(think Clerks/cancer mercant scene)I'd be happy to break his jaw for him. Do you feel that way about cigarrettes or alcohol? I mean, you do know that they tax the hell out of both of these right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Very interesting conversation.....while I like our health care system (easier to like what you were born into), I hate the fact I am paying for other's horrific choices. Having said that, I agree with a lot of the arguments here. One thing not mentioned though is the fact parents who allow, through horrendous lifestyle choices, their children to become obese are not only setting them up for a lifetime of physical health issues, but also a lifetime of mental health issues as obese children are far more prone to being ostracized and bullied in school. Of course, they could react like the Australian kid and power slam the little effers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Do you feel that way about cigarrettes or alcohol? I mean, you do know that they tax the hell out of both of these right? I do. You and I are not likely to ever find common ground on this issue. I respect your understanding of economics but we differ on issues of individual liberty. Very interesting conversation.....while I like our health care system (easier to like what you were born into), I hate the fact I am paying for other's horrific choices. Having said that, I agree with a lot of the arguments here. One thing not mentioned though is the fact parents who allow, through horrendous lifestyle choices, their children to become obese are not only setting them up for a lifetime of physical health issues, but also a lifetime of mental health issues as obese children are far more prone to being ostracized and bullied in school. Of course, they could react like the Australian kid and power slam the little effers. Your opinion doesn't matter because you're Canadian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 I do. You and I are not likely to ever find common ground on this issue. I respect your understanding of economics but we differ on issues of individual liberty. Your opinion doesn't matter because you're Canadian. Eff you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GelMibson Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Eff you. "YMCA" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 "YMCA" Your home away from home..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GelMibson Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Your home away from home..... Yes, but it is not unnatural for me to have dinner at the "Y". I would guess that it is far more natural for western Canadians with your assless chaps to have dinner at the "I". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Yes, but it is not unnatural for me to have dinner at the "Y". I would guess that it is far more natural for western Canadians with your assless chaps to have dinner at the "I". Only the Jews Zionists wear assless chaps around here. I'm shocked Zed, Maynard and Dexter let you out of your hole. You are the Gimp, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) My contention is that having obese kids is akin to child abuse, or at least severe neglect. Sounds like the little fatties are brown bagging doughnuts and chili cheese dogs! You gotta be kidding... And I am as liberal as all get up. Really! All I can think of is poor Larry Mondello on "Leave it to Beaver"... Boy was that fatty abused! Damn father being out of town all the time! Don't get me wrong... I think this is becoming a big problem... But, I tend to think it is portion control that children learn early on. Children shouldn't be taught to "eat to please." They should learn to take what they need. Believe it or not, this is taught early on... Usually before 2 years of age when junk food isn't even part of the equation. Children need to make (ESPECIALLY) portion control themselves. Both my children are skinny as can be and never over indulge even on the junk food. Now me... I was taught growing up to "eat everything on my plate." That is a dangerous cultural lesson especially with today's high caloric foods! Edited April 14, 2011 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Yes, but it is not unnatural for me to have dinner at the "Y". I would guess that it is far more natural for western Canadians with your assless chaps to have dinner at the "I". When in Vancouver do as the Vancouverites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 You gotta be kidding... And I am as liberal as all get up. Really! All I can think of is poor Larry Mondello on "Leave it to Beaver"... Boy was that fatty abused! Damn father being out of town all the time! Don't get me wrong... I think this is becoming a big problem... But, I tend to think it is portion control that children learn early on. Children shouldn't be taught to "eat to please." They should learn to take what they need. Believe it or not, this is taught early on... Usually before 2 years of age when junk food isn't even part of the equation. Children need to make (ESPECIALLY) portion control themselves. Both my children are skinny as can be and never over indulge even on the junk food. Now me... I was taught growing up to "eat everything on my plate." That is a dangerous cultural lesson especially with today's high caloric foods! Not becoming - it IS a big problem (pun intended). If you want to teach your children portion control to keep them from turning into little fatties, that's great. If you don't, you're setting them up for a life-long struggle with weight management issues and health problems. Granted, it's much more passive and less obviously abusive/neglectful than beating the crap out of them on a regular basis, but I'd argue that the long-term effects are just as serious. We've become a nation of fat-ass, sedentary lazy underachievers. Drastic steps need to be taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Not becoming - it IS a big problem (pun intended). If you want to teach your children portion control to keep them from turning into little fatties, that's great. If you don't, you're setting them up for a life-long struggle with weight management issues and health problems. Granted, it's much more passive and less obviously abusive/neglectful than beating the crap out of them on a regular basis, but I'd argue that the long-term effects are just as serious. We've become a nation of fat-ass, sedentary lazy underachievers. Drastic steps need to be taken. You are absolutely right. But getting the government involved at home is not one of them. You're the ones saying "get the government out of my bedroom." But you have no problem with them intruding into the kitchen and dining room. And don't give me the "what I do in my bedroom will not cause financial stress on others" crap. Intrusion is intrusion. We all make choices in our lives and some of those will affect others. It's called a society. I think obesity is a problem but I also think overpopulation is a bigger problem. And having those fat asses die earlier than life their expectancy will cause a lesser burden on us financially then having them live to 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 14, 2011 Author Share Posted April 14, 2011 Not becoming - it IS a big problem (pun intended). If you want to teach your children portion control to keep them from turning into little fatties, that's great. If you don't, you're setting them up for a life-long struggle with weight management issues and health problems. Granted, it's much more passive and less obviously abusive/neglectful than beating the crap out of them on a regular basis, but I'd argue that the long-term effects are just as serious. We've become a nation of fat-ass, sedentary lazy underachievers. Drastic steps need to be taken. So, you are "all in" on the personal responsibility thingy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 You are absolutely right. But getting the government involved at home is not one of them. You're the ones saying "get the government out of my bedroom." But you have no problem with them intruding into the kitchen and dining room. And don't give me the "what I do in my bedroom will not cause financial stress on others" crap. Intrusion is intrusion. We all make choices in our lives and some of those will affect others. It's called a society. I think obesity is a problem but I also think overpopulation is a bigger problem. And having those fat asses die earlier than life their expectancy will cause a lesser burden on us financially then having them live to 100. Wrong. I don't want the government to tell YOU what to eat. I'm saying that if you let your kids become fat little fatties, you're a abusive/neglectful parent. Incidentally, how much of our healthcare resources are "eaten" up by diseased adult fatties in the years before they die? Culling the human population is not an acceptable answer IMO. So, you are "all in" on the personal responsibility thingy? Again, I'm talking about dependents who cannot be expected to make good life choices for themselves. I don't think I have to be Ron Paul to sell the concept that people should be required to take care of their children or face consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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