Kiper Mock v4.0

[Turbosrrgood]

 

Uh....No Vilma is a excellent player. Didn't he get hurt or something like that? Sometimes LB's are not the same after certain injuries.....but at one point Vilma was considered one of the top LB's in the league.

 

This of course is a difference of opinion, but I've watched Vilma ever since he was in college (where he was decent). He was awful on the jets (ask jets fans what they think of him), Mcgahee bowled him over time and time again. He made a lot of tackles, but always down field. Useless near the goal line.

 

Admittedly he has played better for the Saints, mainly because he has one of the best defensive coaches in the league and plays behind a very good D line. The Saints are just good all around (hence the SB). Some people may think differently, but if you offer me a guy like Vilma...I'll say pass every time.

Edited April 8, 2011 by Turbosrrgood

[thebandit27]

A 3-4 OLB needs to be built like a DE, because thats basically what they are. Willis is a 4-3 MLB. That's like saying a guy is big enough to play OT because he is bigger than the WR...one thing has nothing to do with the other. Dumerville (a DE) is far shorter and stockier, actually not one of the guys you mentioned is actually a 3-4 OLB and they are all shorter. Also, if he plays anything like Vilma...PASS.

 

FYI, Dumervil's best season as a pro came as an OLB in a 3-4, which Denver played for the previous 2 seasons.

[PDaDdy]

This of course is a difference of opinion, but I've watched Vilma ever since he was in college (where he was decent). He was awful on the jets (ask jets fans what they think of him), Mcgahee bowled him over time and time again. He made a lot of tackles, but always down field. Useless near the goal line.

 

Admittedly he has played better for the Saints, mainly because he has one of the best defensive coaches in the league and plays behind a very good D line. The Saints are just good all around (hence the SB). Some people may think differently, but if you offer me a guy like Vilma...I'll say pass every time.

 

Have to agree with you again man. The Vilma and McGahee UofM connection and rivalry was a joke. He would just get killed by Willis and we would run all over the jets. I think Vilma might have been better in coverage vs stopping the run. When he went to the Saints he was playing in a system that must have fit him well. That being said there has always been a lot of talk about how good he is but I didn't see it on the field to be honest.

Edited April 8, 2011 by PDaDdy

[thebandit27]

Exactly

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure this was the same line of bullsh-- we heard two years ago about Maybin.

 

It's exactly the same...if you ignore absolutely everything football-related about the two situations that is...

[PDaDdy]

FYI, Dumervil's best season as a pro came as an OLB in a 3-4, which Denver played for the previous 2 seasons.

 

 

Great work Bandit. You were actually able to find a grand total of 1 3-4 OLB who is almost as light as Von Miller. Two more problems with this other than the obvious fact people can only provide one example of a smaller 3-4 OLB. Elvis is heavier than Miller and is actually a full 4" in not more shorter.

 

Elvis is a little fireplug at 248 and 5'11". Miller is a wiry 6'3" if he is even still 246 after the combine. The other huge problem with these small guys like Elvis...what were his stats last year???....ZERO! Like I said small guys get hurt. He missed the whole year because he has had problems taking the pounding.

 

The NFL is a big game for big people.

Edited April 8, 2011 by PDaDdy

[1B4IDie]

In the original Von Miller thread we just came to an amicable summary

 

Its basically Camp A believes a productive college speed rusher's game will translate well to the NFL.

 

Camp B believes a productive college speed Rusher's game will not translate well to the NFL.

 

I don't think at this point in time anyone in either camp is likely to be convinced one way or another.

 

Only time will tell. I'd personally prefer the Bills roll the dice elsewhere.

[thebandit27]

Great work Bandit. You were actually able to find a grand total of 1 3-4 OLB who is almost as light as Von Miller. Two more problems with this other than the obvious fact people can only provide one example of a smaller 3-4 OLB. Elvis is heavier than Miller and is actually a full 4" in not more shorter.

 

Elvis is a little fireplug at 248 and 5'11". Miller is a wiry 6'3" if he is even still 246 after the combine. The other huge problem with these small guys like Elvis...what were his stats last year???....ZERO! Like I said small guys get hurt. He missed the whole year because he has had problems taking the pounding.

 

The NFL is a big game for big people.

 

First off, I was merely correcting Turbo, who said that none of the examples Hanover provided were 3-4 OLBs, thanks for taking the time to actually read the post.

 

Secondly, if you want examples of small 3-4 OLBs, there are two options: do some research, or ask someone that's willing to, but please don't plead ignorance, this is the information age after all. There are plenty of examples. We've talked about Dumervil, we've talked about James Harrison, Jason Taylor played his entire career fluctuating between 240 lbs and 250 lbs (he's 6'6"), and switching between OLB and DE. Many other have pointed out that Clay Matthews was 243 when he enterred the NFL, and he was productive right from the get-go. Cameron Wake is 250 lbs (14 sacks in 2010), Tully Banta-Cain is 250 lbs (10 sacks for NE in 2009), Joey Porter played his whole career at 248 lbs (he's 6'3")...shall I keep going?

 

And please don't even try to bang the Dumervil-can't-take-the-pounding drum. It's a total misrepresentation of the facts and you know it. He missed 2010 with a torn labrum muscle, which happened on a freak play in training camp.

 

EDIT: here's the story just in case you were unaware of his injury circumstances...

 

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15683159

 

It's not a wear-and-tear injury. Prior to 2010, he missed all of 3 games (out of 61) in his 4-year career, and none were due to injury. Feel free to sell me another one though...

Edited April 8, 2011 by thebandit27

[NewEra]

Wow the denial is amazing.

 

We're talking about a PHOTOGRAPH!!! Just, wow!

 

There's clearly a contingent of Von Miller fans who would dispute his being back to the 230 weight. If he were standing on a scale and reading it for themselves, they'd say that the scale was faulty.

 

Vincent Jackson looks like Von Miller's daddy in that picture. I've provided a ton of links to try and make them see the light that Miller will never live up to the #3 pick. You'd think that after the Aaron Maybin fiasco they'd be more clear headed about going down this road again.

 

Patriot fans are begging their team to throw enough picks out so that they can draft Robert Quinn. That's because they can still remember what real big tough defensive OLBs look like since they had one in Willie McGinest. I seriously think that a lot of Bills fans can no longer recognize a player from a pretender. Von Miller will be the OLB version of Paul Posluszny. Robert Quinn will be an NFL monster like McGinnest, Peppers, Freeney, Suggs. They can get a thousand experts to tell me that Von Miller is a top ten prospect and I'll still be laughing at them.

And we'll still be laughing at you

[NewEra]

 

1)On point #1, NO! I have asked this question again and again. I take no answer as an admission of contrition. How many great QBs have won a super bowl without a top 10 defense or a defense that at the very least played like one in the post season???? (Can't think of any and nobody else can either) How many average QBs have won a super bowl due to a top 10 defense? (Several including the likes of Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Eli Manning, etc)

 

2) We absolutely can get one player that can help with the run, rush the passer and cover a TE. It's called a talented OLB. Predraft is all speculation but a guy that could potentially help in ALL those areas is Robert Quinn. Some will make a case for Von Miller but I haven't seen any game tape on the guy to suggest that he can cover the run. In fact all I have seen of him looks like lowlights not highlights.

 

Please don't respond with the tired response of "gailiey said he could defense the run in the senior bowl". Game tape please! Other than some dreamers in this forum nobody is calling this guy a run defender.

Point 1- QB is the most important position. Period. You can yap all you want, you're just blowing hot air. This is SO blatantly obvious that I refuse to discuss this anymore.

 

Point 2- I believe that Quinn will be a good pash rusher in the NFL. I have no idea if he will be able to stop the run. I no reason to believe that he'll be able to cover any TE. I have no idea if Quinn will be able to play OLB in the NFL, considering he never ever played it in college.

 

I think Von Miller will be a good pass rusher in the NFL. I have no idea if Von miler will be able to cover a TE in the NFL. I have no reason to believe that Miller will be able to stop the run. I have reason to believe that miller will be able to play OLB in the NFL, considering he did play some OLB at a high level in college.

 

That's how I see it. I like both of them. I'm not sold on either of them. I'm not sold on anyone in the draft. Time will tell me who's good and who's not. You won't.

Please tell me what not to say next.

 

In the original Von Miller thread we just came to an amicable summary

 

Its basically Camp A believes a productive college speed rusher's game will translate well to the NFL.

 

Camp B believes a productive college speed Rusher's game will not translate well to the NFL.

 

I don't think at this point in time anyone in either camp is likely to be convinced one way or another.

 

Only time will tell. I'd personally prefer the Bills roll the dice elsewhere.

You came to that conclusion. I see it a bit differently.

 

Camp A- believes Von Miller will bring a lot more to the table than just being a speed rusher.

 

Camp B- thinks Von Miller is "too small" and drafting a player that's "too small" with the 3rd pick (in some cases, any pick), isnt a risk that they wanna take.

 

I am in camp A, but I understand why camp B feels the way they do. Who's right? Time will tell.

Edited April 8, 2011 by NewEra

[PDaDdy]

First off, I was merely correcting Turbo, who said that none of the examples Hanover provided were 3-4 OLBs, thanks for taking the time to actually read the post.

 

Secondly, if you want examples of small 3-4 OLBs, there are two options: do some research, or ask someone that's willing to, but please don't plead ignorance, this is the information age after all. There are plenty of examples. We've talked about Dumervil, we've talked about James Harrison (3-4 ILB),

 

Jason Taylor (3-4 OLB good call) played his entire career fluctuating between 240 lbs and 250 lbs (he's 6'6"), and switching between OLB and DE.

 

Many other have pointed out that Clay Matthews was 243 when he enterred the NFL, and he was productive right from the get-go. (Mathews entered the NFL weighing as much as Miller bulked up. Not a good comparison. Clay is larger than Miller)

 

Cameron Wake is 250 lbs (3-4 OLB but larger than Miller) (14 sacks in 2010),

 

Tully Banta-Cain is 250 lbs (3-4 OLB good call but larger than Miller )(10 sacks for NE in 2009),

 

Joey Porter (3-4 OLB good call but larger than Miller) played his whole career at 248 lbs (he's 6'3")

 

...shall I keep going? (Sure, if you think you can find any more. I think you pretty much covered them all. If you DO continue though please limit the conversation to guys that play in the mid 240's to high 230's. I would also mention that these "pass rushing specialists" don't help our run defense. Sacks are nice and flashy but they don't mean squat when you are giving up 4.8yds/rush 35.7rush/gm. Let's stick to our biggest need shall we?)

 

(Also please ask yourself when you see pictures of Von Miller and then you see pictures of these other guys does he look more like Aaron Maybin at his waif thin weight now or does he look more like the thick necked OLBs you provided examples of? Sorry to go the qualitative route but the eyeball test doesn't lie whereas "reported" weights can. To me those guys just look thicker and bigger.)

 

And please don't even try to bang the Dumervil-can't-take-the-pounding drum. It's a total misrepresentation of the facts and you know it. He missed 2010 with a torn labrum muscle, which happened on a freak play in training camp. (Who even tears a pectoral muscle? Point taken though. Other than this single season ending injury he has played in just about every game as a pro.)

 

EDIT: here's the story just in case you were unaware of his injury circumstances...

 

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15683159

 

It's not a wear-and-tear injury. Prior to 2010, he missed all of 3 games (out of 61) in his 4-year career, and none were due to injury. Feel free to sell me another one though...

Edited April 8, 2011 by PDaDdy

[John from Riverside]

Let me get this straight. Your two eyes look at the picture and see a big guy and a little guy. The Little guy being a player that for a fact played college ball at 237ish for years then bulled up to 246 for the draft is now standing next to a WR that we know is 6-5 230.

We're going to refuse what our eyes tell us about the picture and create a conspiracy of camera angles and tailoring. In order to deny that it's not likely that Von Miller has kept on all the weight he put on for the combine.

 

Which, BTW isn't the worst thing in the world.

 

Just call it like you see it. Von Miller looks to be closer to his college playing weight than his combine weight, it's no big whoop.

 

(unless of course you may think there is something to the "size nazis" point . . .)

 

Actually.....I dont think there is anything to the size nazi's point. I am just amazed at the pathetic arguement that is being made here in support of them.

 

You are either a football player or your not.....Von Miller is....Maybin is not.......and I know that the size nazi's try not to bring Maybin up to much but deep down in their heart they know this is what it is all about.

 

Look....I get it...Maybin busted badly and set this team back year. But he didn't bust badly because he is undersized.....he busted badly because

 

- His work ethic sucks

- HE IS NOT A VERY GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYER...he has a great first step but after that it falls apart...he runs straight to the OT's and allows them to grab him....he doesnt use good bend going around the corner....his lateral movement is not good

- I also question his ticker.....he is simply not a player

 

Von Miller IS a player....and has proven that in consecutive years against good competition.

 

 

And I will tell you something else....say what you want about analysts....I respect Mike Maylock on his opinions...he thinks Von Miller is special. This is the same guy that said Aaron Maybin was not.

Edited April 8, 2011 by John from Hemet

[PDaDdy]

Point 1- QB is the most important position. Period. You can yap all you want, you're just blowing hot air. This is SO blatantly obvious that I refuse to discuss this anymore.

 

LOL. What kind of statement is that? You aren't discussing my point. My point is that no QB elite, franchise, average joe or Trent Dilfer has won a super bowl without a top 10 performing defense. THAT is my point. I actually agree with you. QB is the single most important "position" on the team. Our statements aren't mutually exclusive.

 

Point 2- I believe that Quinn will be a good pash rusher in the NFL. I have no idea if he will be able to stop the run. I no reason to believe that he'll be able to cover any TE. I have no idea if Quinn will be able to play OLB in the NFL, considering he never ever played it in college.

 

Points taken but we can say that about any college prospect entering the nfl can't we? So you really haven't said anything. If you have no idea if Quinn can stop the run you should have even less of an idea about a guy 20lbs lighter with similar other measurables.

 

I think Von Miller will be a good pass rusher in the NFL. I have no idea if Von miler will be able to cover a TE in the NFL. I have no reason to believe that Miller will be able to stop the run. I have reason to believe that miller will be able to play OLB in the NFL, considering he did play some OLB at a high level in college.

 

Don't disagree at all. All signs point to us continuing to run a 3-4/4-3 hybrid. Miller would have to play some DE and Quinn would have to play some OLB. Which guy do you think is going to be more capable of filling both of those roles?

 

That's how I see it. I like both of them. I'm not sold on either of them. I'm not sold on anyone in the draft. Time will tell me who's good and who's not. You won't.

Please tell me what not to say next.

 

I too like both of them. Our biggest problem is stopping the run. I think Quinn will better address that need. I'm not sold on anyone in the draft but that is because none of them have played NFL football. Time will tell who is good or not. You won't! OH you never claimed you could tell if either would be good or not too? What a coincidence!!

 

You came to that conclusion. I see it a bit differently.

 

I have made no conclusions that I was aware of. Can you please refresh my memory? I seem to recall only comparing the two and how they would help address this teams biggest need stopping the run. A college pass rushing specialist is unlikely to address that need.

 

Camp A- believes Von Miller will bring a lot more to the table than just being a speed rusher.

 

Camp B- thinks Von Miller is "too small" and drafting a player that's "too small" with the 3rd pick (in some cases, any pick), isnt a risk that they wanna take.

 

I am in camp A, but I understand why camp B feels the way they do. Who's right? Time will tell.

 

I am actually in camp C- I think Von Miller is too small to play OLB/DE and be as effective a run stopper as Robert Quinn who has already brought more than just pass rushing being an effective run stuffer as well.

 

Actually.....I dont think there is anything to the size nazi's point. I am just amazed at the pathetic arguement that is being made here in support of them.

 

You are either a football player or your not.....Von Miller is....Maybin is not.......and I know that the size nazi's try not to bring Maybin up to much but deep down in their heart they know this is what it is all about.

 

Look....I get it...Maybin busted badly and set this team back year. But he didn't bust badly because he is undersized.....he busted badly because

 

- His work ethic sucks

- HE IS NOT A VERY GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYER...he has a great first step but after that it falls apart...he runs straight to the OT's and allows them to grab him....he doesnt use good bend going around the corner....his lateral movement is not good

- I also question his ticker.....he is simply not a player

 

Von Miller IS a player....and has proven that in consecutive years against good competition.

 

 

And I will tell you something else....say what you want about analysts....I respect Mike Maylock on his opinions...he thinks Von Miller is special. This is the same guy that said Aaron Maybin was not.

 

Football is a big game for big people. There are some Rudy(s) that can be effective exceptions but generally small undersized guys don't enjoy the same success as their full sized counter parts.

 

Hrm, maybe I should come up with a clever name to label people who don't think size matters in an attempt to discredit their point?

Edited April 8, 2011 by PDaDdy

[thebandit27]

First off, I was merely correcting Turbo, who said that none of the examples Hanover provided were 3-4 OLBs, thanks for taking the time to actually read the post.

 

Secondly, if you want examples of small 3-4 OLBs, there are two options: do some research, or ask someone that's willing to, but please don't plead ignorance, this is the information age after all. There are plenty of examples. We've talked about Dumervil, we've talked about James Harrison (3-4 ILB), No, James Harrison starts at OLB for Pittsburgh, and has for 5 years. Lawrence Timmons and James Farrior play ILB for Pittsburgh:

 

 

 

 

Jason Taylor (3-4 OLB good call) played his entire career fluctuating between 240 lbs and 250 lbs (he's 6'6"), and switching between OLB and DE.

 

Many other have pointed out that Clay Matthews was 243 when he enterred the NFL, and he was productive right from the get-go. (Mathews entered the NFL weighing as much as Miller bulked up. Not a good comparison. Clay is larger than Miller)

 

Cameron Wake is 250 lbs (3-4 OLB but larger than Miller) (14 sacks in 2010),

 

Tully Banta-Cain is 250 lbs (3-4 OLB good call but larger than Miller )(10 sacks for NE in 2009),

 

Joey Porter (3-4 OLB good call but larger than Miller) played his whole career at 248 lbs (he's 6'3")

 

I'm sure you're not going to try to tell me that 2-4 lbs is what's going to make these guys successful in a way that Miller can't be. I've read your posts, you're smarter than that.

 

...shall I keep going? (Sure, if you think you can find any more. I think you pretty much covered them all. If you DO continue though please limit the conversation to guys that play in the mid 240's to high 230's. I would also mention that these "pass rushing specialists" don't help our run defense. Sacks are nice and flashy but they don't mean squat when you are giving up 4.8yds/rush 35.7rush/gm. Let's stick to our biggest need shall we?)

 

As I said in another thread, it would be more about helping out our 27th ranked pass rush and a pass defense that ranked 28th in the league in opposing team's QB rating. We also ranked 26th in TD passes allowed, 29th in %age of completions for 1st downs, and 30th in %age of 3rd down conversions allowed. I know the run defense is putrid, but it's not as though our pass rush doesn't need the help.

 

 

(Also please ask yourself when you see pictures of Von Miller and then you see pictures of these other guys does he look more like Aaron Maybin at his waif thin weight now or does he look more like the thick necked OLBs you provided examples of? Sorry to go the qualitative route but the eyeball test doesn't lie whereas "reported" weights can. To me those guys just look thicker and bigger.)

 

Sorry, as you said, I'm not qualified to do the eyeball test, so I won't go there.

And please don't even try to bang the Dumervil-can't-take-the-pounding drum. It's a total misrepresentation of the facts and you know it. He missed 2010 with a torn labrum muscle, which happened on a freak play in training camp. (Who even tears a pectoral muscle? Point taken though. Other than this single season ending injury he has played in just about every game as a pro.)

 

EDIT: here's the story just in case you were unaware of his injury circumstances...

 

http://www.denverpos...cos/ci_15683159

 

It's not a wear-and-tear injury. Prior to 2010, he missed all of 3 games (out of 61) in his 4-year career, and none were due to injury. Feel free to sell me another one though...

[Turbosrrgood]

FYI, Dumervil's best season as a pro came as an OLB in a 3-4, which Denver played for the previous 2 seasons.

 

I know you are always looking to contradict people just because, however Dumervil played as, and is still listed as a DE. Has he lined up at OLB? Yes. The point I was making was valid, you are not "correcting" anything.

 

LOL. What kind of statement is that? You aren't discussing my point. My point is that no QB elite, franchise, average joe or Trent Dilfer has won a super bowl without a top 10 performing defense. THAT is my point. I actually agree with you. QB is the single most important "position" on the team. Our statements aren't mutually exclusive.

 

 

Lol, you can make all the sense you want. Good luck getting him to understand that.

Edited April 8, 2011 by Turbosrrgood

[thebandit27]

I know you are always looking to contradict people just because, however Dumervil played as, and is still listed as a DE. Has he lined up at OLB? Yes. The point I was making was valid, you are not "correcting" anything.

 

Actually Turbo, I'm just trying to keep your statement accurate so that you don't look foolish (too late). And no, you don't know anything about me. If I come across something that's factually incorrect, sometimes I let the person know of it so that they don't continue down a fals line of logic. Furthermore, there was absolutely zero negative connotation to my post, so I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to get snippy in your response to me. Didn't mean for that to upset you. By the way, you are wrong about Dumervil. He started at OLB for Denver in 2009, and is listed there if you look at the NFL sack stats:

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=SACKS&season=2009&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go

 

So no, the point you were making isn't valid (at least in regard to Dumervil), hence I "corrected" you.

 

Again, sorry if that upsets you.

Edited April 8, 2011 by thebandit27

[PDaDdy]

(Also please ask yourself when you see pictures of Von Miller and then you see pictures of these other guys does he look more like Aaron Maybin at his waif thin weight now or does he look more like the thick necked OLBs you provided examples of? Sorry to go the qualitative route but the eyeball test doesn't lie whereas "reported" weights can. To me those guys just look thicker and bigger.)

 

Sorry, as you said, I'm not qualified to do the eyeball test, so I won't go there.

 

 

My apologies. I didn't know you were blind as well as deaf and.....

Edited April 8, 2011 by PDaDdy

[John from Riverside]

LOL. What kind of statement is that? You aren't discussing my point. My point is that no QB elite, franchise, average joe or Trent Dilfer has won a super bowl without a top 10 performing defense. THAT is my point. I actually agree with you. QB is the single most important "position" on the team. Our statements aren't mutually exclusive.

 

 

 

Points taken but we can say that about any college prospect entering the nfl can't we? So you really haven't said anything. If you have no idea if Quinn can stop the run you should have even less of an idea about a guy 20lbs lighter with similar other measurables.

 

 

 

Don't disagree at all. All signs point to us continuing to run a 3-4/4-3 hybrid. Miller would have to play some DE and Quinn would have to play some OLB. Which guy do you think is going to be more capable of filling both of those roles?

 

 

 

 

I too like both of them. Our biggest problem is stopping the run. I think Quinn will better address that need. I'm not sold on anyone in the draft but that is because none of them have played NFL football. Time will tell who is good or not. You won't! OH you never claimed you could tell if either would be good or not too? What a coincidence!!

 

 

 

I have made no conclusions that I was aware of. Can you please refresh my memory? I seem to recall only comparing the two and how they would help address this teams biggest need stopping the run. A college pass rushing specialist is unlikely to address that need.

 

 

 

I am actually in camp C- I think Von Miller is too small to play OLB/DE and be as effective a run stopper as Robert Quinn who has already brought more than just pass rushing being an effective run stuffer as well.

 

 

 

Football is a big game for big people. There are some Rudy(s) that can be effective exceptions but generally small undersized guys don't enjoy the same success as their full sized counter parts.

 

Hrm, maybe I should come up with a clever name to label people who don't think size matters in an attempt to discredit their point?

 

I actually didn't come up with the name.....but I think that it fits. It is interesting how to discredit Von Miller there have been a multitude of names attached to him that DONT fit but they dont see that.....

 

For instance..."Rudys"

 

Rudy was "5 foot nuthin....100 and nuthin.....without hardly a shred of athleticism in him" as was discribed in the movie and got by on his heart and determination

 

Von Miller is a physical athletic freak that

 

- Tore it up in college

- Tore it up at the combine in every way possible in physical stats and athletism

 

THERE IS NO COMPARISON

 

PA,

 

I think you are entirely too smart to be quiveling over roughly 5 pounds difference on those players.....

Edited April 8, 2011 by John from Hemet

[PDaDdy]

I actually didn't come up with the name.....but I think that it fits. It is interesting how to discredit Von Miller there have been a multitude of names attached to him that DONT fit but they dont see that.....

 

For instance..."Rudys"

 

Rudy was "5 foot nuthin....100 and nuthin.....without hardly a shred of athleticism in him" as was discribed in the movie and got by on his heart and determination

 

Von Miller is a physical athletic freak that

 

- Tore it up in college

- Tore it up at the combine in every way possible in physical stats and athletism

 

THERE IS NO COMPARISON

 

 

Von Miller just reminds everyone of Maybin. Even people that don't think he will be a bust like Maybin say "he is not Maybin". Fair or not the comparison is out there. Von Miller could be great. People are attacking or defending his weight at his height but we are all missing the point a little bit. Our defense needs big time help stopping the run. Von Miller is a pass rushing specialist. He might be great rushing the passer in the NFL but it doesn't address far and away our biggest need.

[thebandit27]

My apologies. I didn't know you were blind as well as deaf and.....

 

That's very amusing, but I think you get my point. Looking at a picture of the guy doesn't tell me anything. However, watching him rush the passer tells me he can get to the QB.

 

You can eyeball all day and make whatever conclusions you want. The guy weighed 246 lbs at the combine, the guy weighed 246 lbs at his pro day; I don't know what more you need to confirm his size.

 

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70987&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

 

Oh, and here's an NFL defensive coordinator comparing him in size to Joey Porter:

 

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2011/3/10/2042100/von-miller-at-pro-day-shows-more-speed-responds-to-criticism

[PDaDdy]

That's very amusing, but I think you get my point. Looking at a picture of the guy doesn't tell me anything. However, watching him rush the passer tells me he can get to the QB.

 

You can eyeball all day and make whatever conclusions you want. The guy weighed 246 lbs at the combine, the guy weighed 246 lbs at his pro day; I don't know what more you need to confirm his size.

 

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70987&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

 

Oh, and here's an NFL defensive coordinator comparing him in size to Joey Porter:

 

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2011/3/10/2042100/von-miller-at-pro-day-shows-more-speed-responds-to-criticism

 

DUDE! Looking at a picture should tell you what your eyes see

 

Not that you will answer but I KNOW you see what I see. It's too obvious for anyone to miss. You see a wiry guy not a thick guy. Is this the ultimate factor that will determine his NFL potential specifically as it relates to stopping the run? No. Is it an obstacle that he would need to overcome? Yes, just like Jason Taylor if that is a more favorable comparison to you.

 

It's great that you see a pass rusher on tape. Seems your eyes work pretty good now. I wonder how this pass rusher will help stop our defense from giving up 8 200+ yard rushing games, giving up 4.8 yds/carry and allowing opposing teams to run the ball against us 35.7 times a game???

 

If we had your pass rushing QB sack artist last year he would have sat on the sidelines watching our guys get steamrolled in the run game asking himself why his pass rush skills aren't needed.

 

 

If only everyone were honest. (Yes this covers lies of omission.)

Edited April 8, 2011 by PDaDdy