JPicc2114 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 (edited) I saw him against Iowa and Nebraska. Other than an incredible amount of yards in the Iowa game, over 450, it was a lot of dink and dunk. Not impressed When the Bills pass on this guy and he turns out to be awesome, I will re-visit this thread. OK once again I DO NOT CARE ABOUT HIS HAIR. I'd go crazy if we had Tom Brady cuz he has skill and uses herbel essence hell I want Troy Palumalu wit all his pert plus glory LOL in a Bills uniform. So cut the smack wit the hair talk. All im saying is when have you seen him go out and GET the yards his team needed? What game? What QTR? When have you seen him get hit so hard he had to pick himself up off the ground and get back to the huddle? Show me some tape. He's the type thats not gonna do it he'll panic thats all im saying. He's not a competitor I can't be anymore clear than that... When have you seen him get hit so hard he had to pick himself up off the ground and get back to the huddle? Show me some tape. Good enough? You try to finish the game after taking a hit like that... don't question this guys toughness. Edited April 21, 2011 by Mr. Negative
Billy in 4C Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I saw him against Iowa and Nebraska. Other than an incredible amount of yards in the Iowa game, over 450, it was a lot of dink and dunk. Not impressed I would argue the 450 yards in the Iowa game was a lot of the spread offense scheme, which opens up guys close to the line of scrimmage. He had a few shots down the field in tight spots and hit them. I was pretty impressed. One interception hit his own guy right between the numbers in the endzone, was dropped and picked off. The other was a bad decision. I commented after the game that if you give him protection, I think he can make the big throws. If you draft him, he sits for one year and could pay off big in year 2-3. Not a day one starter. I'd say he looks like a mobile version of Drew Bledsoe, minus one notch on the arm and a little more raw.
Mr. ChumChums Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 (edited) When the Bills pass on this guy and he turns out to be awesome, I will re-visit this thread. youtube.com/watch?v=naqxF7TlQWc You try to finish the game after taking a hit like that... don't question this guys toughness. Beat me to it. Was about to post a similar video. And to add to that - Gabbert was pretty injured in that play, and ended up playing the next few weeks with sprained ligaments in his right ankle, unable to plant on his right foot. In addition, I can't find a SINGLE scouting report that says that BG isn't a leader / lacks toughness, etc... Random scouting reports saying as much here: http://thefootballexpert.com/scouting-reports/blaine-gabbert-qb-missouri.html http://proprospects.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/blaine-gabbert-scouting-report/ http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/4/20/2121741/blaine-gabbert-scouting-report-2011-nfl-draft Edited April 21, 2011 by Mr. ChumChums
reddogblitz Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 He's a smart player with all the physical skill to be a good pro. He mobile and has the arm to make all the throws. Who does this sound like? Rob Johnson or Steve Pelleaur. If I take a QB at #3, I need a guy who has already had great success at the college level. Not a guy that's the right size and has a strong arm etc. This goes for WHOEVER we take. I don't want a project at 3. Cam and Blaine sound like projects to me.
Mr. ChumChums Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 We should pin this thread to the top alongside the Newton and Miller threads.
PDaDdy Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Disagree, Gabbert wasn't spoken about before he declared because no one expected him to. After his declaration he was touted as a high to mid 1st round pick who, like Bradford last year, has worked his way up the board due to positional value and workouts. What do you have to base his leadership abilities on? Looks? http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1630777 I'm would disagree. Sam Bradford was a big name talked up for the 2 years prior to him being drafted. He was even discussed as the top QB before he went back for his senior year.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 That was his biggest problem in school. He doesn't have accuracy on his deep balls. He was also barely mentioned by anyone until AFTER the CFB season was over. Yes he has height, good arm, and smarts. But he consistently checked down. Bradford was much more accurate with ALL the throws, not just short to intermediate routes. Even Stafford to some degree. I think Gabbe rt is an impressive athlete, but not an impressive QB +1 He has all the tools. Just doesn't seem to me that he knows how to use them. I was looking up his game logs and one game stuck out in particular was the Texas Tech game. I don't have the exact numbers but I know his completion percentage was aroun 40 percent for the game. That's just plain awful against one of the worst Defenses in the country. I don't care who has to throw to...
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 When the Bills pass on this guy and he turns out to be awesome, I will re-visit this thread. youtube.com/watch?v=naqxF7TlQWc When have you seen him get hit so hard he had to pick himself up off the ground and get back to the huddle? Show me some tape. Good enough? You try to finish the game after taking a hit like that... don't question this guys toughness. C'mon that wasn't the kind of hit im talkin bout. Thats a normal QB hit, It was a good one but he got rolled up. I meant like the locker hit in the bowl game, the Cam hit bowers put on, hell even the hit leftwich took when his linemen carried him down the field. Not a regular hit a QB needs to take... Until you show me one them hits he gets no respect... Cam, Taylor, Locker, Ponder ive seen take hits not Blaine... Sorry my friend...
Mr. ChumChums Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 C'mon that wasn't the kind of hit im talkin bout. Thats a normal QB hit, It was a good one but he got rolled up. I meant like the locker hit in the bowl game, the Cam hit bowers put on, hell even the hit leftwich took when his linemen carried him down the field. Not a regular hit a QB needs to take... Until you show me one them hits he gets no respect... Cam, Taylor, Locker, Ponder ive seen take hits not Blaine... Sorry my friend... So having 2 ligaments sprained in the right foot on which you PLANT on as a QB isn't enough evidence of a big hit? Sure, it looks like he just got rolled on by Suh, but some of the worst hits come from that. LT's hit on Joe Theisman, which damn near snapped his leg in 2 (and prominently ending his career) was a similar type of hit. Gabbert ended up finishing the game and the next few weeks with that injury on his planting foot, so you have no grounds at all for claiming he's never taken a big hit, and not tried to will his team to victory around him.
billsfreak Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 For all the Gabbert enuthsiasts sell me on him Why do we have to sell you on him? Is it your choice? Sweet, must be nice to have that power.
NickelCity Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I want the Bills to have a leader not a sufer bum... I still don't know how I would react to the Bills drafting him, but how in the world are you coming up with "surfer bum?" He's from Missouri.
CookieG Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Sam Bradford played for OKLAHOMA his stats were INFLATED. Gabbert played at Missouri with no talent around him. Then we got some dude questioning his toughness because of his hair?? lol. Suh nearly ripped gabberts leg off and he finished the game. Hes tougher than Jay Cutler will ever be. Lots of people's stats were inflated, apparently. He was 5th in the Big 12 in yards last year, (25th nationally), 5th in TD passes (in the lower half nationally, 50th something), and a whopping 8th in the Big 12 in passing efficiency (64th nationally). 3 other QB's in the Big 12 threw more than twice the TD passes as him. So your argument is that everyone else's stats are inflated and/or at least everyone else has better weapons. So much for a QB actually making his team better. If you watch him play, it is easy to understand why. He doesn't handle pocket pressure well, he rushes this throws too many times and misses. Hence, the 44% completion percentage on 3rd down. That's a fair assessment. However, I don't think we'll play him too early. That's what we have Fitz around for. Buddy Nix even said that he HOPES they land in the same situation that they had in San Diego, with Drew Brees and Philip Rivers on the roster. That's the ideal / best case scenario for everyone. And yeah, if he doesn't play well, then we'll be making excuses for him. However, we'll do that with any of our QB's, because as Bills fans, we're always hopeful that the guy on our squad is "the guy." I personally don't think that he'll fail - I think he'll end up being a great pro, hopefully even better. To your other points, you're right. It's not fair to compare Blaine Gabbert to Sam Bradford. Bradford was a special talent, so any REAL comparison will make BG seem much worse. This is partially my fault, as I was one of the ones that brought up Bradford's name in comparison, so I'll give you a point there. However, the main reason I brought up Bradford was in comparison to their offensive systems. They were different, but there are similar points. They both ran the spread - they both occasionally took snaps from under center - they both ran relatively complex systems that placed a lot of responsibility on the QB to make calls / audibles / line adjustments. The last point is the most important, I think, and shows that he can probably make the transition into the NFL rather successfully. I'm not as worried as most about what system he played in. Frankly, I think he might be better in a pro style offense, where he has a chance to get his feet set, and isn't worried about getting rid of the ball in 1.25 seconds. But watching him play when he's rushed....I'm not willing to take that chance, not at No. 3 anyways. Too jittery in the pocket for my tastes, especially with knowledge of how serious Buffalo has been with protecting the QB. He's going to have lots and lots of pocket pressure with the Bills, as long as they keep getting half their line off the waiver wire.
Orton's Arm Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Having read through this discussion, one thing I haven't heard is that he's an exceptionally accurate passer. Smart, a good athlete, a good leader, runs a complex offense, tough, etc. But not particularly accurate (at least not from what people are claiming). Someone mentioned dink and dunk. I can live with dink and dunk, as long as a) the QB is very accurate and consistently accurate, and b) as long as there are some intermediate and deep throws in the mix. A lot of what Joe Montana did with the 49ers could be described as dink and dunk. But it worked because of Montana's exceptional accuracy, and because the 49ers' offense could punish you with intermediate and deep throws if you over-committed to stopping the short passing game. Dink and dunk can be forgiven; a lack of accuracy cannot be. If the Bills want a tough quarterback, a good leader, a smart QB who processes information quickly, but who isn't particularly accurate, they don't need to draft anyone. They have that already in the form of Fitz. Does Gabbert have exceptional accuracy that (for whatever reason) isn't being mentioned in this discussion? Or is his accuracy so-so? If the former, it sounds like he has serious potential to justify being chosen third overall. But if the latter, the Bills should not consider taking him before round 2.
It's in My Blood Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 If you can dig up some archives I mentioned Gabbert 2 years ago as being a possiblity for the Bills. Do you want a cookie?
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I still don't know how I would react to the Bills drafting him, but how in the world are you coming up with "surfer bum?" He's from Missouri. AHHHH nevermind i've explained myself 4 times.. We can just leave it as I think Gabbert blows i'd take everybody else over him... And you'd take Gabbert..
NickelCity Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 (edited) AHHHH nevermind i've explained myself 4 times.. We can just leave it as I think Gabbert blows i'd take everybody else over him... And you'd take Gabbert.. Let's not presume that "[i'd] take Gabbert." You actually quoted me saying that I am not sure how I feel about the Bills drafting him. My question to wasn't meant as an attack on your opinions, nor was it in defense of Gabbert. Instead, I was just wondering where the "surfer" comments came from? I know you don't think he'll do well, and you'd prefer another player, but that's not what I was wondering. Call it curiosity. Edited April 21, 2011 by NickelCity
jj____ Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 How do you know Blaine Gabbert isn't a no brainer? Are you a scout? idiot
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 (edited) I'm would disagree. Sam Bradford was a big name talked up for the 2 years prior to him being drafted. He was even discussed as the top QB before he went back for his senior year. Which was prior to his injury. Pre combine and pro days he was viewed as a mid 1st rounder. Article from February 25th: "On the basis of what I've talked to people around the league [about], everything I've heard," Schefter said on a St. Louis ESPN radio spot. "And at some point, it's gonna shift to this guy, and I don't know whether it'll be now or late March." He also stated that he has yet to talk to anyone inside of the Rams headquarters, but he would take any and all bets on this prediction right now. Even though the draft is still two months away, Schefter's ability to find and locate insider information may be better than any other sports broadcaster in the business. Schefter also took a friendly shot at fellow ESPN colleagues Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay for not even including Bradford in their top five. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/352539-2010-nfl-draft-espns-adam-schefter-confident-sam-bradford-is-no-1 AHHHH nevermind i've explained myself 4 times.. We can just leave it as I think Gabbert blows i'd take everybody else over him... And you'd take Gabbert.. I think the problem is that no one can understand what you're talking about. I'm not sure what showing him taking a hit proves, but here's a shot he took in the game against Nebraska, at which point Missouri was ranked 6th in the nation, unfortunately for Missouri they got whooped: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfYxKRR2Wl4 Edited April 21, 2011 by Ghost of Rob Johnson
bills1960 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I'm on the Gabbert bandwagon. Jus by watching Grudens QB Camp you can tell this kid has the right attitude to play for the Bills. In addition to that, whatever quarterback we pick will have to learn under fitz, and I think that Gabbert would be much more willing and accepting of Fitzs advance compared to Newton. Not to mention Gabbert has a more identical skill set to Fitz than Newton does.
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