Doc Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Absolutely not true .... though a very different situation work ethic than the U.S. Clarified it.
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Clarified it. What kind of work ethic does Japan have? Is it individually driven? Or is it socially driven? They have to be working for somebody? The group (company, society, etc...) or the individual?
Doc Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 What kind of work ethic does Japan have? Is it individually driven? Or is it socially driven? They have to be working for somebody? The group (company, society, etc...) or the individual? It's socially driven, which in turn makes it individually driven.
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 It's socially driven, which in turn makes it individually driven. My next question... Do you think it can spread here? Maybe we should socialize like Japan... They do get their health taken care of... Is that a start?
Doc Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 My next question... Do you think it can spread here? Maybe we should socialize like Japan... They do get their health taken care of... Is that a start? Wait, you think they're that way because of "socialism" and because of their nationalized health care? :lol:
....lybob Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Wait, you think they're that way because of "socialism" and because of their nationalized health care? :lol: No, because they're that way they have nationalized health care. As for America you can thank Rand and Neoliberalism for changing selfishness from a common human moral failing into an exalted virtue.
Doc Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 No, because they're that way they have nationalized health care. ...and? Again, do you think that the US having nationalized health care will magically make all the problems go away? What about other countries with nationalized health care that don't have the same work ethic? As for America you can thank Rand and Neoliberalism for changing selfishness from a common human moral failing into an exalted virtue. There is selfishness all around. The super rich are just as selfish as those people on welfare who have no incentive to get off of it.
Jim in Anchorage Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 My next question... Do you think it can spread here? Maybe we should socialize like Japan... They do get their health taken care of... Is that a start? They make a simple road repair in 6 days and you trace it back to nationalized heath care? Just when I think you've reached the height of stupidity in your cause and effect conclusions you roll out a topper.
Doc Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 They make a simple road repair in 6 days and you trace it back to nationalized heath care? Just when I think you've reached the height of stupidity in your cause and effect conclusions you roll out a topper. I'm sure England, Canada, and France could repair a road in 6 days After all, they too have nationalized health care.
GG Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 PCH closed for a month for repairs caused by a landslide. I know, I know. Not comparable. Probably three orders of magnitude more traffic on the GKH at any given time than on the PCH. The fast repair is likely an indicator of the sense of urgency by the Japanese to get a major artery working whereas the PCH repair, well it's being done by Californians to a pretty and scenic road. In my part of the world, I measure civil engineering projects by the US Civil War standard. Any road or bridge project should not take more than four years from commencement to completion. It's surprising to me how many projects I've seen that take/took longer than that. As an aside, I'm amazed at the huge difference in road construction of NJ vs NY. NJ can get a major new interchange built in about two years, while NY will take 4 years to repave a lane.
/dev/null Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 As an aside, I'm amazed at the huge difference in road construction of NJ vs NY. NJ can get a major new interchange built in about two years, while NY will take 4 years to repave a lane. The DiMeo are more efficient than the Lupertazzi
GG Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 The DiMeo are more efficient than the Lupertazzi Whatever it takes to get the job done.
Magox Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) It's something you see all the time. It's easy for so many of us to rail against the poor people after Katrina saying all they want are handouts and free housing. As though these people are any different than any other individual on the planet. Let beach erosion occur on Long Island and look at how many wealthy people expected the government to help. How many millionaires do everything possible to get out of paying taxes or move their factories wherever they get the cheapest land/labor/and tax rates. How do you attract the soccer mom to the mall... buy one get one free sales. Bottomline is... everyone wants something for nothing; from the wealthiest individual on the planet to the poorest. The real issue shouldn't be that they wanted it.. but should be that we gave it to them. And should the government be giving any residents, rich or poor, free money - in the form of housing or tax breaks or whatever. And if so, what's the most fair and equitable way that promotes our overall growth as a nation and a civil and secure society. Sorry, but I don't buy into the theory that we are all basically the same. There is a reason why wealthier people have achieved more in life than most others, and it mainly has to do with work ethic. And please, I dont want to hear from any of the dipsh1ts on this boards come up with some anecdotal story that you believe proves otherwise. yeah I worry about Japan, they are so naive to Union workers swindles, like after the nuclear crisis they will probably give the surviving irradiated crybabies health benefits and disability- thank god I live in a country that will at least try to deny any benefits to emergency workers,it was too bad the Republicans caved and that 9/11 first responders bill made it through but hey no country is perfect. You use to be just a putz, now you have become a real partisan putz. No, because they're that way they have nationalized health care. As for America you can thank Rand and Neoliberalism for changing selfishness from a common human moral failing into an exalted virtue. Man, you're not just a partisan putz, you're an idiot. Edited March 28, 2011 by Magox
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Okay... Lets rephrase this: What is it going to take to start to get Americans to think as ONE socialized group... As is the case in Japan. How is a common theme among everybody created? How do we get rid of the "me's" and replace that with the "we's?" That is really the crux of the issue here and why the Japanese can pull things to gather as a common unit. How do WE start "de-individualizng" our society and get back to "we the people." Edited March 28, 2011 by ExiledInIllinois
Magox Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 Okay... Lets rephrase this: What is it going to take to start to get Americans to think as ONE socialized group... As is the case in Japan. How is a common theme among everybody created? How do we get rid of the "me's" and replace that with the "we's?" That is really the crux of the issue here and why the Japanese can pull things to gather as a common unit. How do WE start "de-individualizng" our society and get back to "we the people." Through creating a culture of people who desire to achieve more in life. This is not meant to be partisan, it is through pure logic. If you create a society that depends on others for survival then the desire and need from those who dont have becomes less. This is just logical. So we need to create internal inertia. Which is not an easy thing to do.
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Through creating a culture of people who desire to achieve more in life. This is not meant to be partisan, it is through pure logic. If you create a society that depends on others for survival then the desire and need from those who dont have becomes less. This is just logical. So we need to create internal inertia. Which is not an easy thing to do. It is not easy to do because of that very same logic in your first 4 sentences above. We are creating too much negative inertia. Again, less "me's" and the more "we's" even if it goes against the individual's best self-interest. We have to be "one" first... Not parts pulling and pushing in all directions. Edited March 28, 2011 by ExiledInIllinois
Joe Miner Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 What is it going to take to start to get Americans to think as ONE socialized group... As is the case in Japan. Why would you want this extreme? Just be happy if you could get Americans to actually be considerate of each other and call it a day.
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Why would you want this extreme? Just be happy if you could get Americans to actually be considerate of each other and call it a day. It works in a repressed culture like Japan. Isn't that what we have been discussing... Why can the Japanese do things really well. And this is the negative inertia I was talking about. Why the "good enough" mentality? I don't think I am asking anything that is extreme... Just for everybody to do their best no matter if it is in their self-interest or not. This is where we also create the positive inertia. Edited March 28, 2011 by ExiledInIllinois
Ramius Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 How do we get rid of the "me's" and replace that with the "we's?" How do WE start "de-individualizng" our society and get back to "we the people." This can happen when 98% of the population, especially kids, actually realize they aren't special, aren't different, aren't that important, and aren't above average, and thus aren't going to be handed everything. They need to realize the only way to get ahead is through hard work, and not because they're "special."
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) This can happen when 98% of the population, especially kids, actually realize they aren't special, aren't different, aren't that important, and aren't above average, and thus aren't going to be handed everything. They need to realize the only way to get ahead is through hard work, and not because they're "special." You are right. How do we get this message through to the whacky parents out there? I know it is cliche, but nobody seems to want to "work". I don't buy that it is because they are given handouts. I DO buy HOW the handouts are given... I never disagreed with that argument. Edited March 28, 2011 by ExiledInIllinois
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