Maddog69 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 You're kidding right? Johnson, Nelson and Roosevelt didn't have any trouble getting open and catching passes from Fitzpatrick. And Lee Evans didn't have trouble getting open in 2006 when JP was throwing it. You don't forget how to get open. The offense has to be designed in such a way that the ball gets to your best WR. Ours hasn't been for a long time. Hopefully Gailey will fix that.
frogger Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Evans will excel in the slot... I think we will see him there more often this year, with nelson on the outside.
uncle flap Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Evans will excel in the slot... I think we will see him there more often this year, with nelson EASLEY on the outside. fixed (with wishful thinking) seriously tho - not saying they shld run a spread/4wide set exclusively but i am excited about the wr corps: SJ13 and easley/nelson on the outside, scoe and lee in the slot. i know i'm singing the same old song but that would create some interesting matchups w/ fjax or cj coming out of the backfield... and getting draws and screens. man i wish coaching in the nfl was as easy as playing madden cuz i'd be the oc of the year go bills!
Peter Posted March 23, 2011 Author Posted March 23, 2011 If Evans is willing to go over the middle (as Andre did), he can really improve his game (Roscoe is completely willing to go over the middle, Evans should be as well). He has the opportunity to be become a complete (and much more dangerous receiver). If is not willing to do so, it is going to be more of the same. Defenses will continue to take him out of games.
CodeMonkey Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I want to laugh but don't want to insult. Was that a serious question? Because I doubt it to tell you the truth. He can't be that DUMB to think we should spend a top 3 pick on a position that we actually have some depth at. Didn't you, like a lot of the rest of us, think the same about the number 9 pick last year about this time?
Adam Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 If Evans is willing to go over the middle (as Andre did), he can really improve his game (Roscoe is completely willing to go over the middle, Evans should be as well). He has the opportunity to be become a complete (and much more dangerous receiver). If is not willing to do so, it is going to be more of the same. Defenses will continue to take him out of games. Roscoe? Can we send Boss Hogg and Daisy over the middle too?
Peter Posted March 23, 2011 Author Posted March 23, 2011 Roscoe? Can we send Boss Hogg and Daisy over the middle too? I am sure they are more willing than Evans.
Adam Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I am sure they are more willing than Evans. Until we get another deep threat, it is smarter to send Evans deep, to open the middle for our other WRs. Once we have another speed guy to open up the middle, I think Evans can be a dynamic weapon. Until then, we won't be very good offensively.
reddogblitz Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) I want to laugh but don't want to insult. Was that a serious question? Because I doubt it to tell you the truth. He can't be that DUMB to think we should spend a top 3 pick on a position that we actually have some depth at. I don't find this hard to believe. It's what we did last year after all. History does have a tendency to repeat itself. Edited March 23, 2011 by reddogblitz
Adam Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I am sure they are more willing than Evans. Until we get another deep threat, it is smarter to send Evans deep, to open the middle for our other WRs. Once we have another speed guy to open up the middle, I think Evans can be a dynamic weapon. Until then, we won't be very good offensively.
White Linen Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Maybe Evans hasn't been able to do much underneath, because when he goes over the middle, we don't have another guy to challenge the defense deep. Fans always like players to be called out publicly, but it usually doesn't push the player to be better. Personally, I prefer to be challenged privately, instead of being publicly embarrassed. Shows how little fans truly understand about coaching, Owens gave Evans that opportunity.
judman Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I would like to see what Roscoe, Lee, Stevie, and Fitz would do with some more time to gel.
reddogblitz Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I recall Lee catching a few over the middle last year. Maybe they just didn't send him on that many, not that he wouldn't do it. Coach Gailey's comment seems to suggest this may be the case.
stony Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Until we get another deep threat, it is smarter to send Evans deep, to open the middle for our other WRs. Once we have another speed guy to open up the middle, I think Evans can be a dynamic weapon. Until then, we won't be very good offensively. I agree. I don't see Nelson w/ his speed opening up whichever side of the field he lines up on however much we all like him. Keep him in the middle with Roscoe and let Chan find mismatches on slower LBs and smaller CB/S. With that said, the man should be fluent in all routes--short or long--at this point in his career. Sounds like the prior coaching staff was fine with having Lee as a one trick pony. Also, I wouldn't object if Lee actually dove for a pass once in a while.
VADC Bills Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) Chan calling out Evans??? I remember Lee catching all types of passes from every garbage QB's we had over the last 8 years. The problem was that he was the only wr that could run a deep route and catch the ball consistantly since Moulds so he was cast in that mold. No issues when T.O. was teamed with him. I still trust Evans to catch the deep ball and score more than Stevie Johnson or anyone else we have. I'm sure a team like the Patriots or the Ravens would love to have a deep guy like Evans. Lee doesn't call the routes or the plays so Chan needs to incorporate plays for Lee to get the short opportunities but even on those plays some one has to go long and be believable. Edited March 23, 2011 by VADC Bills
AReed Deep For 7 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I want to laugh but don't want to insult. Was that a serious question? Because I doubt it to tell you the truth. He can't be that DUMB to think we should spend a top 3 pick on a position that we actually have some depth at. With our track record NOTHING would suprise me. You could make an argument that he is best player available. (Just to clear things up this isnt what I want at all). I am envious that a more complete team will more likely take him as a luxary pick, one we unfortunately cant afford to pick. Being AJ Green, I dont know why it left out the first half of the reply. Being AJ Green, I dont know why it left out the first half of the reply.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Johnson = 87 receptions Evans = 37 receptions So you're saying that the problem is Fitzpatrick wasn't able to throw the ball accurately to Lee Evans when he clearly hit Johnson all season long?????...LMAO First off, if anyone actually read the article, Gailey said that he has to be better at getting Evans to be a better underneath threat...he didnt exactly just throw Evans under the bus, I mean Gailey took responsibility in how he used Evans last year. I mean come on, its not like they call underneath routes for Evans in game and Evans just refuses to run them...dont get me wrong, Evans needs to get better in that area himself too, but Gailey took responsibility in this as well. Second...You just throw up those stats as if its so black and white. First off, Evans was doubled the whole season, even after Johnson started getting targets. Teams were FAR less scared of SJ than Evans and let SJ run in single coverage a lot, even covered by LB's at times...when was the last time you say a LB cover Evans? Not to mention, SJ was often a big benefactor of meaningless stats at the end of games when the game was all but over. Often, he was literally invisible the whole game and then in the last drive or two of a bad loss he gets like 5 receptions and a TD making his stat line look decent for the game even though he was a complete non factor. That brings up another point...I have never seen a fan base who value meaningless stats as much as this fan base does in any sport. When I say menaingless, I am referring stats accrued during meaningless points of a game, preseason, or fluke games that make the season look more productive as a whole rather than what it really was. Fitz and SJ are classic cases of this. I mean Half of Fitz TD's came in the first 4 games, 3 of which were bad losses and he got a junk TD at the end of each, and the fluke 4 TD game in Balt. He only had 2 TD passes or more twice more the rest of the season, and one of those was the fluke Cincy game where he was atrocious until BOTH starting safeties got knocked out and Cincy handed us the game on a silver platter. He had far fewer good games than bad games, but all I keep hearing about is his mirage of a TD total while ignoring how bad he is ranked in every important QB statisical category, including throwing the 9th most INTs despite only playing 13 games (and about a dozen more thrown right into the chest of defenders who flat out dropped them...not tipped, just thrown right into their hands). This reminds me of these fools who hype up players at the combine becuase of some great stats in some athletic drills while ignoring the actual game tapes where they are not nearly effective week in and week out (see players like Gholston). Fitz gets his TD totals high because of a few junk TD's and 2 fluke games and everyone ignores how poorly he did in the majority of the games and key QB statistical areas like accuracy, turnovers, YPA, first downs, 3rd down conversion, QB rating, etc...all of which together give you a better insight to a QB. Same thing is happening with SJ...another guy whos stats benefited by meaningless end of game pads in bad losses. Am I the only one here who wants a QB and other players that are out there doing damage and making plays while the game matters and is winnable rather than racking up stats at the end of bad losses or guys throwing game ending INT's, dropping game winning TD's, dropping drive ending passes for first downs, etc etc. I love how Fitz plays, but he wasnt very good this year...I like SJ's potential, this was just his first breakout, but he was not nearly as effective when we needed him as the stats seem to indicate unless you are playing fantasy football. You know what, thats it...Fantasy Football! I think I just solved my own riddle...Bills fans have had to turn to fantasy football for any hopes of football glory and its caused them to value stat totals more than in game performance. That has to be it...
PDaDdy Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Ya, Lets beat up on one of our few good players. Did anyone think that perhaps Lee was never asked to run those routes and has consequently never polished that kind of route running? As another poster already stated perhaps he is the only significant deep threat we have? The only other guy that has that kind of speed is roscoe. Maybe it is on Lee but I guess it's really peoples bias that makes them look at it one way or the other. If this is Gailey's direction I'll wait until this coming season to see if Lee steps up or if he is actually incapable or unwilling.
Dragonborn10 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I seriously LOVE how Gailey hands out criticism liberally amongst each and every player when deserved. He doesn't hold back and is a no non sense coach that demands attention to detail. And if not you are pretty much of the team if you don't make the cut. Instead of all of these false hopes and dreams like Maybin and Whitner. Love him. Night and day from Jauron, and yeah, I know a lot of you feel the same way and probably think my words are obvious and do not need mentioning. But you wouldn't BELIEVE how many of my dumb friends I still have in Buffalo (moved) that think Gailey and Nix are just a bunch of dumb hicks that don't know what they are doing and that think they are just going to get fired in 2-3 years with out making the play offs. I'm sick of it. I am over joyed with Gailey and Nix. Really couldn't be happier. But on to Evans. You are right. Gailey is on to him. Evans is a 1 trick pony. Run really fast and get by the defender and hope Fitz can get you the ball. THAT'S IT!!! I would like to see him gone for a 3rd to tell you the truth. Of course I would want something higher in value, but let's be realistic here. Isn't that the same trick Randy Moss used for years? How about Deshaun Jackson - that is all he does? Agree Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald are more complete recivers. However there is no point taking a point of strength and making it a weakness when there are so many others on this team. Evans, Johnson, Nelson, Parrish and whomever else is a nice group. Uses draft picks on defenders and another TE.
jumbalaya Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 here are Lee's stats last year as far as how long passes to him were: Margin 0-7 21 287 13.7 Margin 15+ 6 150 25.0 Margin 8-14 10 141 14.1 If I'm reading this correctly, a large majority (21 of 37) were thrown to him less than 8 yards past the line of scrimmage. So much for only being able to go long. In the article I saw Coach Gailey say "He's been more of a deep threat," Gailey said. "I've got to get him to do a better job of becoming an underneath threat. I've got to do a better job of that." Nowhere did I see him say Lee sux and is lazy. This is the polite way of saying that Lee is not a complete ball player -- and he is paid like a #1 receiver remember -- most #1 receivers are complete players. IMO, Lee is a number 3 receiver at best and Chan will be lucky if he can get him to perform like a number 2. I have been saying for several years now that once Lee signed his fat contract he laid down. Chan sees it "Lee needs to run better routes and more underneath routes." Time for Lee-baby to see the writing on the wall -- he will be benched next season if he doesn't step up. If Marcus Easley shows anything Lee will ride the pine. I can't wait.
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