birdog1960 Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 1966- Whipped Cream and Other Delights by Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass loved this album as a little kid! this was a case where the "album art" was a very important part of the package...pretty racy for living room music in the 60's. so, this reference actually makes me see bon jovi's point somewhat. btw, herb did alright for himself further on up the road.
Clippers of Nfl Posted March 17, 2011 Posted March 17, 2011 Yeah, sure...I think Jon had a lot more to do with it than Jobs youtube.com/watch?v=yTevMeC4LlI&feature=fvwrel i dont agree with jovi either. the music industry is not dead. the magic that he's talking about can still be had. for example: im a huge fan of u2 and coldplay. no matter what critics say.... im getting their albums and will experience their "magic" its not steve's fault that jovi is not on my MUST GET ALBUM list.
KD in CA Posted March 18, 2011 Posted March 18, 2011 loved this album as a little kid! this was a case where the "album art" was a very important part of the package...pretty racy for living room music in the 60's. so, this reference actually makes me see bon jovi's point somewhat. btw, herb did alright for himself further on up the road. That album cover was the closest thing we had to porn when I was a kid! Don't believe me take a look at the top selling albums by year 1962- West Side Story Soundtrack 1963- West Side Story Soundtrack 1964- Hello Dolly Cast Recording 1965- Mary Poppins Soundtrack 1966- Whipped Cream and Other Delights by Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass 1967- More of the Monkees by the Monkees 1968- Are You Experienced by The Jimi Hendrix Experience 1969- In a Gadda Da Vida by Iron Butterfly Aside from Hendrix that's a lot of crap from the 1960's a time that a lot of old D-bag hippies will say is the best era in music. West Side Story was crap? Julie Andrews was crap? Quality music also existed before electric guitars.
birdog1960 Posted March 18, 2011 Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) That album cover was the closest thing we had to porn when I was a kid! West Side Story was crap? Julie Andrews was crap? Quality music also existed before electric guitars. it may not quite qualify as porn but that's a beautiful woman covered in whipped (?shaving) cream. i don't think santana thought so little of West Side Story either Edited March 18, 2011 by birdog1960
Helpmenow Posted March 18, 2011 Posted March 18, 2011 Whip cream chick with the big guns was on A & R records, herb alpert made a lot of cash on selling that record label.
Just Jack Posted March 18, 2011 Posted March 18, 2011 That album cover was the closest thing we had to porn when I was a kid! I bought Love At First Sting when it came out, and was nervous if the store I was at would let me buy it, since it showed some side boob and I was only 13 at the time.
SDS Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 as noted here, bon jovi is not enitrely wrong about what ITunes did to music, but he's well off target on several counts. the greedheads at the record labels and at radio conglomerates had far more to do with the shift in the entire landscape that has occurred since the 1980s. -- it wasn't Steve Jobs who pushed CDs down everyone's throat at the total and full expense of vinyl. -- it wasn't Steve Jobs who caused music labels to eat themselves up until there we were left with four or five "major labels," mostly interested in pushing safe, tepid, radio-friendly, baloney for the tin-eared in order to bolster what's left of their bottom line. -- it wasn't Steve Jobs who bought up a majority of music radio stations and then had them programed (and de-programmed of identity and authenticity) from some corporate, windowless room in some suburban Phoenix office park. jw A couple of notes. Jobs is just the messenger. Apple was late for the digital music train. They just came up with the best engine. It was going to happen anyway. The sheer convenience of it all was a trade most people were/are willing to make. Vinyl only means snap/crackle/pop. The only thing good about it was the larger album art. Creed was not a product of the music labels. They were turned down by everyone. Some dude had to sell all his possessions to finance the band. They were self-made, whether you liked them or not...
NoSaint Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 A couple of notes. Jobs is just the messenger. Apple was late for the digital music train. They just came up with the best engine. It was going to happen anyway. The sheer convenience of it all was a trade most people were/are willing to make. Vinyl only means snap/crackle/pop. The only thing good about it was the larger album art. Creed was not a product of the music labels. They were turned down by everyone. Some dude had to sell all his possessions to finance the band. They were self-made, whether you liked them or not... It's true - windup records is not at all major. Outside of creed they have had rather limited commercial success. The bands that they sign tend to follow a formula of talent over marketability. I've done a tiny amount of work with them and assure you they are music fans to the core there. Mark tremonti is a very talented guitarist and quite frankly a lot of Scott stapps writing on their first cd was phenomenal for someone of his experience. Unfortunately he could never consistently replicate it or grow from that early potential. Seems the money got to his head. Creed put windup on the map, not the other way around.
birdog1960 Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Vinyl only means snap/crackle/pop. The only thing good about it was the larger album art Very true. That popping often overwhelmed the "warmth" of the tube amp-electrovoice speaker combo i cranked to distortion levels every chance i got. It's tempting to romanticize the past in these things. Nonetheless, there is some real romance that often comes with music. I was struck by a review of the 40th anniversary version of the whipped cream album that this thread inspired me to read on amazon. The guy had bought the new rereleased cd and his father teared up when seeing it, recalling dancing with his now passed wife in the kitchen and in front of the kids to one particular track. pretty cool and in a way, profound stuff. I'm not sure that 40 years from now these same memories won't be available to mp3 devotees sans the crackles.
Chef Jim Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 If you think music is dead you really just don't get that what truly will stand the test of time isn't the overproduced pop crap like Bon Jovi its the less popular stuff that resonates with a smaller audience that will stand the test of time. In 5 years Lady Gaga and Justin Biber will be has beens. Don't believe me take a look at the top selling albums by year 1962- West Side Story Soundtrack 1963- West Side Story Soundtrack 1964- Hello Dolly Cast Recording 1965- Mary Poppins Soundtrack 1966- Whipped Cream and Other Delights by Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass 1967- More of the Monkees by the Monkees 1968- Are You Experienced by The Jimi Hendrix Experience 1969- In a Gadda Da Vida by Iron Butterfly Aside from Hendrix that's a lot of crap from the 1960's a time that a lot of old D-bag hippies will say is the best era in music. CCR, Dylan, The Greatful Dead, and Lou Reed barely charted back then. The thing is pop music tends to suck but its popular so the past always seems to be better because we have already sifted through the crap and picked out what stands the test of time. Take a look at the 70's, 80's, and 90's most of the top 10 artists suck and are has beens. IF you say music sucks now you aren't paying attention. There are a ton of great bands like The Gaslight Anthem and The Hold Steady putting out great new music. Good music will never be popular the sooner nostalgia idiots of all ages realize that the more we can enjoy the present. Sure when you only list the one top selling album but when you dig deeper the top ten of the sixties were filled with: The Beatles The Rolling Stones The Byrds Bob Dylan The Everly Borhers Elvis Presley Booker T The Moody Blues The Beach Boys The Animals The Kinks Oh and by the way many D-bag hippies consider the mid 18th century as the best era for music.
Astrojanitor Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 A couple of notes. Jobs is just the messenger. Apple was late for the digital music train. They just came up with the best engine. It was going to happen anyway. The sheer convenience of it all was a trade most people were/are willing to make. Vinyl only means snap/crackle/pop. The only thing good about it was the larger album art Could not disagree more. Properly cared for vinyl never pops. I gladly went to buying vinyl only a few years back...can't even handle the compressed digital sound anymore. I buy roughly one record a day and they always sound either better than digital or insanely better than digital
billsfan89 Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Sure when you only list the one top selling album but when you dig deeper the top ten of the sixties were filled with: The Beatles The Rolling Stones The Byrds Bob Dylan The Everly Borhers Elvis Presley Booker T The Moody Blues The Beach Boys The Animals The Kinks Oh and by the way many D-bag hippies consider the mid 18th century as the best era for music. The point I was trying to make was that a lot of times bands that people think were great back in the 1960's/early 70's like The Greatful Dead, CCR, and Lou Reed weren't popular during their time beyond their audience. Time makes everything seem better and music seem like only quality rose to the top. CCR and Lou Reed might not have been pop sensations but they resonated deeply to their small audience and were influential to those who came after them. But they weren't popular and a lot of good music now isn't popular. The same goes for every era 70's, 80's, and now the 90's are vastly overrated because the padding of time has helped to make people filter through the crap and sort through and remember the good music from those eras. I had a college professor tell me that music in the 60's was better and what is popular now sucks. I told him usually what is popular sucks but that doesn't mean music sucks.
Wacka Posted March 20, 2011 Posted March 20, 2011 Whip cream chick with the big guns was on A & R records, herb alpert made a lot of cash on selling that record label. That's A&M Records. The A stood for Alpert. John Bongiovi should just sit back and count his $ he's getting from them using his song for the theme song for The Deadliest Catch. And what makes it good are the video clips they use to go with the song.
Nanker Posted March 20, 2011 Posted March 20, 2011 loved this album as a little kid! this was a case where the "album art" was a very important part of the package...pretty racy for living room music in the 60's. so, this reference actually makes me see bon jovi's point somewhat. btw, herb did alright for himself further on up the road. As a public service, I present a Linky thingy. That album cover was the closest thing we had to porn when I was a kid! West Side Story was crap? Julie Andrews was crap? Quality music also existed before electric guitars. +1 +1
Delete This Account Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 A couple of notes. Jobs is just the messenger. Apple was late for the digital music train. They just came up with the best engine. It was going to happen anyway. The sheer convenience of it all was a trade most people were/are willing to make. Vinyl only means snap/crackle/pop. The only thing good about it was the larger album art. Creed was not a product of the music labels. They were turned down by everyone. Some dude had to sell all his possessions to finance the band. They were self-made, whether you liked them or not... couple of notes from an old bugger -- there was far more to vinyl than snap, crackle or pop. there was nothing like heading out to the record store (yes, that's what they were called), and rushing back home to get that thing home, tearing off the wrapping (much easier than it is opening a cd), pulling out the sleeve or maybe opening up the gateful and getting that thing on the record player (yes, that's what we called them). it was almost a religious-like experience, especially when this record was one you had been anticipating to hear for days or weeks. the cd experience is not entirely the same. and purchasing songs or albums on the internet is entirely different. i just downloaded Ida Maria's "Fortress 'Round My Heart," a great album that i couldn't find to buy anywhere. trouble was, there were no liner notes, no production notes, no thank you's, just a itunes screen listing the songs. bah, humbug. -- as for creed, i sit corrected. while i didn't know how or where they got their start, my life would have been more complete had they not started at all. as for them being self-made, well, now i know there's no one else to blame for their infilthtration (sic). jw
Gordio Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 as noted here, bon jovi is not enitrely wrong about what ITunes did to music, but he's well off target on several counts. the greedheads at the record labels and at radio conglomerates had far more to do with the shift in the entire landscape that has occurred since the 1980s. -- it wasn't Steve Jobs who pushed CDs down everyone's throat at the total and full expense of vinyl. -- it wasn't Steve Jobs who caused music labels to eat themselves up until there we were left with four or five "major labels," mostly interested in pushing safe, tepid, radio-friendly, baloney for the tin-eared in order to bolster what's left of their bottom line. -- it wasn't Steve Jobs who bought up a majority of music radio stations and then had them programed (and de-programmed of identity and authenticity) from some corporate, windowless room in some suburban Phoenix office park. -- it wasn't Steve Jobs who brought us the genre best known as some conglomeration of NickelCreedDoughtry and had it played over and over and over and over and over again to numb what remaining brain cells we have left. and if poor jonny can't compete, well, too bad. it's evident he was too busy worrying about: -- his hair. -- his acting career. -- attempting a shift to some watered down country baloney, that didn't hold a candle to 38 Special for cripes sake. -- his hair. when bon jovi begins crying about what's gone wrong with music, then it leads me to be believe that something has actually gone right. and here's the fun part: bon jovi has essentially lost out in this groundswell of accessible singles because it could no longer keep up or find a voice in this new strange wilderness, where in some ways, the democratization of music succeeds because the listener has a choice in the matter. you like this song, you download it. you don't like this song, you move on. the fact that bon jovi doesn't resonate is partially bon jovi's fault. not Steve Jobs' or the masses. get some self respect and play something you enjoy playing without worrying what suits the suits. ... oh, sorry, originality really was never your style any way. i'm not saying ITunes is ideal. i have issues with it myself. it's narrow and directed focus for popular songs is stilting. why must i have to weed through "Yes," and "Genesis" just because i have 1970s songs by T-Rex, Television and Peter Gabriel in my collection? and why is some of Paul Westerberg's music listed as Pop and other as Rock and other as Alternative? ... actually, why does genre matter in the first place. but enough. the best news that could come of it this, is jon bon jovi gives up, goes home to new jersey, from where we shall never hear from him again. could we be so fortunate. or am i simply living on a prayer? jw I take it your not a Bon Jovi fan?
Delete This Account Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 I take it your not a Bon Jovi fan? they weren't bad. what i'm not a fan of, is someone with a superior sense of themselves (and, yes, i could be accused of that), blaming what's wrong with what's left of their music career on something other than themselves. what little influence bon jovi had on music, and how it stands up today, is incredibly negligible -- and i might be giving them a little too much at that. jw
Gordio Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 they weren't bad. what i'm not a fan of, is someone with a superior sense of themselves (and, yes, i could be accused of that), blaming what's wrong with what's left of their music career on something other than themselves. what little influence bon jovi had on music, and how it stands up today, is incredibly negligible -- and i might be giving them a little too much at that. jw I saw him in concert twice. I thought he was pretty good. Plus there were alot of hot girls in the arena. Too bad my wife was with me both times. lol
Cugalabanza Posted April 7, 2011 Posted April 7, 2011 Could not disagree more. Properly cared for vinyl never pops. I gladly went to buying vinyl only a few years back...can't even handle the compressed digital sound anymore. I buy roughly one record a day and they always sound either better than digital or insanely better than digital I'm with you on this. My turntable gets used all the time. More than my cd player. Keeping records clean and in good condition makes a big difference. And a good needle will bring it to life. The sound of a good record fills the room in a much more pleasing way than cd or mp3. It's not a myth or an affectation or nostalgic pining for a lost era. It's a fact. I've done the comparisons and I hear it for myself.
Pete Posted April 8, 2011 Posted April 8, 2011 I'm with you on this. My turntable gets used all the time. More than my cd player. Keeping records clean and in good condition makes a big difference. And a good needle will bring it to life. The sound of a good record fills the room in a much more pleasing way than cd or mp3. It's not a myth or an affectation or nostalgic pining for a lost era. It's a fact. I've done the comparisons and I hear it for myself. I have a beautiful MMF turntable and tons of great albums. Problem is my new Harmon Kardon receiver does not have a phone input. I need phono preamp. Can one of you vinyl fans recommend a good economy preamp?
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