Nanker Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 If this really goes to the mats I wonder if CBS, Fox, and ESPN will move some Kallage games to Sundays. I wonder if they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You understand that it is just a game, it is entertainment, if their labor strife is causing unrest in your life then maybe you should step back and reevaluate your priorities. Also saying that people are stupid because they don't share your views is idiotic. How does anyone else spending money on football influence your life? Get a clue solider. It's spelled soldier. And you're the one who needs to get a clue. Did you read my post? What I am suggesting is to punish the billionaire owners and millionaire players by not patronizing their product. It has nothing to do with anything that is going on in my life. It's what smart consumers do when they don't like the products that they are being offered or the way a company is being run. If that's too difficult a concept for people on this board to grasp then it is their problem, not mine. I am doing just fine thank you very much. Very happy with my friends, family and life. And if you actually read some of my responses, calling people stupid had nothing to do with whether or not they agreed with me. It was their inability to grasp the concept of an economic boycott. So I'll just assume that you're another idiot who can't understand the concept and disregard your comments. Thanks very much for playing though, we have some prizes for you back stage for being so damned dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You are completely wrong and have this bassackwards. The NFL never reached out and supported the Vets, the Vets had to embarrass them into providing basic coverages for horrendous life style changes effected by playing football. Tossing 80 million at this is peanuts compared to the suffering many have endured and many have died as a result. The owners, especially the new ones are avaricious, greedy, spoiled ego maniacs. The older ones aren't as avaricious but are the rest of those things. I say cancel the season, then cancel NFL and let new leagues spawn. Let's build leagues that require at least 51% local ownership. This anti-union rhetoric in the US is completely misplaced. No, it is not misplaced, because the players in the past signed deals to play football and they knew the risks involved.... the NFL didn't HAVE to help, but they chose to after a successful lobby and ponied up the money. The players act as if they were oblivious to the risks, but when you are young you tend to think of yourself as invincible. They signed the dotted line and accepted the deals, no questions asked, and played. After that, suddenly $80 million is 'peanuts'? Give me a break! The owners have to engage in revenue sharing to keep the league balanced and thriving, and teams don't fake it like the Pirates or Marlins in MLB. The greed is on the shoulders of the players, who want more and more while the percentage of players that are guilty of misconduct rises and rises. Unions have been increasingly irrelevant, and only have power through the courts. This was NEVER about taking care of veterans' health issues... it is about pure greed, because even if the NFL offered $800 million to health care, they STILL would decertify! Demaurice Smith is an absolute joke... just like Donald Fehr before him with the MLBPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 It's spelled soldier. And you're the one who needs to get a clue. Did you read my post? What I am suggesting is to punish the billionaire owners and millionaire players by not patronizing their product. It has nothing to do with anything that is going on in my life. It's what smart consumers do when they don't like the products that they are being offered or the way a company is being run. If that's too difficult a concept for people on this board to grasp then it is their problem, not mine. I am doing just fine thank you very much. Very happy with my friends, family and life. And if you actually read some of my responses, calling people stupid had nothing to do with whether or not they agreed with me. It was their inability to grasp the concept of an economic boycott. So I'll just assume that you're another idiot who can't understand the concept and disregard your comments. Thanks very much for playing though, we have some prizes for you back stage for being so damned dumb. But I love the product they offer. I don't like a lot of the way businesses are run, but I overlook these inadequacies because some things are essential. Football is one of these. Considering you post on a fan board, I would think it plays a somewhat prominent role in your life as well. Also, not to nitpick (but because you did), wouldn't it be "so damn dumb?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 The owners have to engage in revenue sharing to keep the league balanced and thriving, and teams don't fake it like the Pirates or Marlins in MLB. How do you explain the Bills not being able to be competitive for a decade if the league is so balanced? Maybe the owner's business model has a closer resemblance to the Pirates in MLB and the Clippers in the NBA than to the rest of the NFL???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You could make the case that merely by being Bills fans we are boycotting the true NFL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 It's amazing how you cherry pick points to respond to. And even in doing so totally neglect formulating practical answers. Yes, in an ideal world you only hit the NFL pocketbooks. In the real world, not so. Also, I believe every league including the NFL has seen the revenue dip after a lockout and it hasnt stopped them from happening again and again. The owners would blame the players and the players blame the owners. They would all be gainfully employed and then some, and everyone from ticket sales reps, scouts, vendors, that are living paycheck to paycheck get put through the ringer. The average fan punishes themselves by not using tickets that are mostly paid for - by turning off games to hurt ratings they have no effect on. Your better off telling people that they should go to the local sports bar and pump money into the local community while enjoying the games, camaraderie and quite frankly still not effecting the ratings or tv revenue unless they are neilsen homes. boycott jerseys if you want something that can be immediate, tangible and doesn't take away from your own enjoyment of the game. Still hurts employees in those factories but that's unavoidable In a boycott - atleast it's minimized. Your entire premise is sour grapes and poorly thought out. Through this all you haven't addressed how this remotely effects your life at this point though. What exactly are you seeking vengeance for? Not a single practice has been missed, yet alone game. Is the delay to FA hitting you especially hard? "The average fan punishes themselves by not using tickets that are mostly paid for - by turning off games to hurt ratings they have no effect on." I'm crying BS on this one. Noone suggested fans not use tickets that are already paid for. And fans have a huge impact on TV ratings. And if you don't understand that, then you are a fool and further discussion is pointless. And yes, it is my right to respond to whomever I choose to and ignore whomever I choose to. If you don't like that, then I'm sorry for you. And once again, another idiot fails to understand what I am proposing. If you don't think the current situation is pathetic and deserving of economic retaliation, then once again, I am sorry for you. It has nothing to do with my personal life. I don't like the way a company is being run and I am proposing consumers not patronize their product to let them know we disapprove. Simple as that. If you don't agree, fine, then that is your right, do your thing and I will do mine and encourage others to follow. But I love the product they offer. I don't like a lot of the way businesses are run, but I overlook these inadequacies because some things are essential. Football is one of these. Considering you post on a fan board, I would think it plays a somewhat prominent role in your life as well. Also, not to nitpick (but because you did), wouldn't it be "so damn dumb?" As a matter of fact, no it wouldn't. Damned is the proper way to spell the word and to use it in this context. And just for the record, I love football. I just don't find it so essential in my life that I can't live without it. I don't believe in what the players and owners are doing and I propose we as fans use our economic might and let them know we dont' approve. Again, I have no grudge against anyone who disagrees. If you want to continue to be ignored and taken for granted, then fine, do your thing. But just think of the power we as fans have. If no one went to the games, and no one watched on TV, the networks, the owners and the league would lose millions and you can bet there would never again be a work stoppage. They would stop taking you for granted and ensure that the product that you love is never again put in jeopardy. You could make the case that merely by being Bills fans we are boycotting the true NFL.... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I will protest with you, I will not watch any other team than the Bills, and games that have impact on the Bills. Oh, and playoff games. At least you have a sense of humor frogger. Made me laugh. I am thoroughly enjoying this discussion. Getting a good laugh at some of the responses to my post. I love tweaking some of the people who have responded with such venom to my posts. Your response on the other hand was classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 How do you explain the Bills not being able to be competitive for a decade if the league is so balanced? Maybe the owner's business model has a closer resemblance to the Pirates in MLB and the Clippers in the NBA than to the rest of the NFL???? Bad management, not INTENTIONALLY 'bad' management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You go ahead and boycott the NFL...I'm sure millions enough would join ya to effect the NFL's revenue (that was sarcastic)...I can't wait till the season starts and I can watch Bills football!!! Have at it Freddy and I really don't expect anyone to actually boycott the games. That would be too difficult for most. I was merely attempting to make people think about the power that they have and how they could influence future negotiations by hurting the league financially. Enjoy your games, I'll be at the movies or the park with my kids. The NFL is something that I have enjoyed since I was a kid. I'm not anymore and I don't like a bunch of rich, greedy individuals taking me for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxelRipper Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I dont understand what you're trying to protest. They aren't putting us through anything right now. There aren't any NFL games in March. We really aren't missing anything other than free agency, which is largely a time of not much happening anyways. The way I see it, this is the equivalent of you boycotting a company because they decided to not work on a Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I dont understand what you're trying to protest. They aren't putting us through anything right now. There aren't any NFL games in March. We really aren't missing anything other than free agency, which is largely a time of not much happening anyways. The way I see it, this is the equivalent of you boycotting a company because they decided to not work on a Sunday. If you don't understand, then sorry for you. I will not explain my reasoning again. You either get it or you don't. If you don't, then no problem, just don't do it. If you do, then think about it. That's all my post was intended to do. It was supposed to make people think about the economic power that they possess and let the players and owners both know that we don't approve of their recent conduct. Period, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWVaBeach Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 In light of the millionaires and billionaires being unable to come to agreement on how to split up over 8 billion dollars in revenues, I propose a boycott of NFL games for the upcoming season. Once the agreement is reached, don't buy any tickets, don't go to any games and don't watch the ones on TV. That is the only power we as fans have. Let both owners and players know that it is we the fans that are making them both rich, while we struggle to pay our own bills. I would be willing to sacrifice an entire season of football to send a powerful economic message to both groups. If they lose millions next year, both parties will think twice about ever putting us through this again. Thoughts? BANNED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 "The average fan punishes themselves by not using tickets that are mostly paid for - by turning off games to hurt ratings they have no effect on." I'm crying BS on this one. Noone suggested fans not use tickets that are already paid for. And fans have a huge impact on TV ratings. And if you don't understand that, then you are a fool and further discussion is pointless. And yes, it is my right to respond to whomever I choose to and ignore whomever I choose to. If you don't like that, then I'm sorry for you. And once again, another idiot fails to understand what I am proposing. If you don't think the current situation is pathetic and deserving of economic retaliation, then once again, I am sorry for you. It has nothing to do with my personal life. I don't like the way a company is being run and I am proposing consumers not patronize their product to let them know we disapprove. Simple as that. If you don't agree, fine, then that is your right, do your thing and I will do mine and encourage others to follow. As a matter of fact, no it wouldn't. Damned is the proper way to spell the word and to use it in this context. And just for the record, I love football. I just don't find it so essential in my life that I can't live without it. I don't believe in what the players and owners are doing and I propose we as fans use our economic might and let them know we dont' approve. Again, I have no grudge against anyone who disagrees. If you want to continue to be ignored and taken for granted, then fine, do your thing. But just think of the power we as fans have. If no one went to the games, and no one watched on TV, the networks, the owners and the league would lose millions and you can bet there would never again be a work stoppage. They would stop taking you for granted and ensure that the product that you love is never again put in jeopardy. +1 You mean a renegotiation of a deal? Unless you are glued to the tv for every detail, it really doesn't effect any of us, or the product on the field yet. Now for the nuts and bolts of your argument- I live in a market with a 60,000 person waitlist for season tickets, with more than a 99% renewal rate already this year. Boycotting games amounts to abandoning paid for tickets. Next up, my tv isn't monitored by neilsen for ratings. Turning it off has no effect. Next - even if you did find a way to touch the bottom line or make a statement - you know with examples I've given like boycotting jerseys.... Do you think either side is going to say "wow WE really screwed this up" - nope. It's going to be "wow, THEY really screwed this up." Instead of just being angry, you can take a deep breathe and realize the only people you are hurting with this plan are people that enjoy watching the game (ie yourself). Me not tuning in will literally have no effect on anyone but me. but alas, I guess we are all too stupid to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raleighbillsfan78 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 This makes as much sense as your history lesson on Hornell! If there is football, which there will be, the fans werent penalized! Hows the snow and unemployment up there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You mean a renegotiation of a deal? Unless you are glued to the tv for every detail, it really doesn't effect any of us, or the product on the field yet. Now for the nuts and bolts of your argument- I live in a market with a 60,000 person waitlist for season tickets, with more than a 99% renewal rate already this year. Boycotting games amounts to abandoning paid for tickets. Next up, my tv isn't monitored by neilsen for ratings. Turning it off has no effect. Next - even if you did find a way to touch the bottom line or make a statement - you know with examples I've given like boycotting jerseys.... Do you think either side is going to say "wow WE really screwed this up" - nope. It's going to be "wow, THEY really screwed this up." Instead of just being angry, you can take a deep breathe and realize the only people you are hurting with this plan are people that enjoy watching the game (ie yourself). Me not tuning in will literally have no effect on anyone but me. but alas, I guess we are all too stupid to understand. I am not the least bit angry. And by the way, your arguments don't hold water at all. TV viewers have all the power when it comes to ratings and advertising revenues. If nobody watches, then advertisers will not pay the rates that the NFL is used to and believe me the league owners will feel the pain. If the league doesn't get the money from the networks in the next contract that they are used to, then the players will be affected as well. And in most markets, you can buy single game tickets to almost every game at some point during the pre-season or season, so please don't tell me about wasting tickets that are already paid for. I am proposing that we as fans, who do, by the way hold all the economic power to shut this league down, let both parties know that we are the ones that pay the bills. If we do this, both parties will think twice about ever having another work stoppage. It is a very simple concept and a very powerful one. If you are not on board, then go ahead and feed the beast, it's your right. I for one, won't be watching this bunch of greedy individuals any more. I have a family and I enjoy lots of other interests besides NFL football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) I am not the least bit angry. And by the way, your arguments don't hold water at all. TV viewers have all the power when it comes to ratings and advertising revenues. If nobody watches, then advertisers will not pay the rates that the NFL is used to and believe me the league owners will feel the pain. If the league doesn't get the money from the networks in the next contract that they are used to, then the players will be affected as well. And in most markets, you can buy single game tickets to almost every game at some point during the pre-season or season, so please don't tell me about wasting tickets that are already paid for. I am proposing that we as fans, who do, by the way hold all the economic power to shut this league down, let both parties know that we are the ones that pay the bills. If we do this, both parties will think twice about ever having another work stoppage. It is a very simple concept and a very powerful one. If you are not on board, then go ahead and feed the beast, it's your right. I for one, won't be watching this bunch of greedy individuals any more. I have a family and I enjoy lots of other interests besides NFL football. You do realize it is very likely that your tv isnt used in ratings calculations? And if it is, you could have the same effect going to the local sports bar for the game? "There are only 25,000 total American households that participate in the Nielsen daily metered system. The number of U.S. television households as of 2009 is 114,500,000.[12] As a result, the total number of Nielsen homes only amounts to 0.02183% of the total American television households, meaning that 99.97817% of American households have no input at all into what is actually being watched." Edited March 13, 2011 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) This makes as much sense as your history lesson on Hornell! If there is football, which there will be, the fans werent penalized! Hows the snow and unemployment up there? You make me laugh. Up where? Do you even know where I live? And by the way, I like the snow. And I love it when people don't even know they're being tweaked. So keep it coming, I am eating it up. Edited March 13, 2011 by xsoldier54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Heidi is a good alternative to NFL football. They tried that once. It didn't go over very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You do realize it is very likely that your tv isnt used in ratings calculations? And if it is, you could have the same effect going to the local sports bar for the game? So nobody's TV is used for ratings, is that what you're trying to say? I am suggesting that nobody watch the games, not just me. I don't want to watch the games, that's the point. I don't care about a bunch of billionaires using a bunch of millionaires to make more money. They don't even play football that well. Most pro football players today can't even execute the basics of blocking and tackling. And the fact that people on this board don't understand the power of an economic boycott just amazes me. So go ahead, do as you please. Watch the games, feed the beast, it's your right, just as it is mine to urge people not to do it anymore. BANNED! That's right, ban someone that you don't agree with. That's a logical way to prove your point. I really don't care if people agree with me or not. It is my own opinion and unless someone can convince me with a logical argument that a boycott won't work, then I will continue to hold it. I am still waiting for someone to do that. You do realize it is very likely that your tv isnt used in ratings calculations? And if it is, you could have the same effect going to the local sports bar for the game? "There are only 25,000 total American households that participate in the Nielsen daily metered system. The number of U.S. television households as of 2009 is 114,500,000.[12] As a result, the total number of Nielsen homes only amounts to 0.02183% of the total American television households, meaning that 99.97817% of American households have no input at all into what is actually being watched." Amazing how they're able to estimate the number of viewers then isn't it? They can tell if nobody is watching, believe me. They will know. But hey, if you don't want to do it, then just don't. I have no problem with that at all. If you don't agree with a boycott, then simply don't do it. I will, and that is both of our rights. The fact that people are so violently opposed to me doing something I believe in just amazes me. It won't stop me though. I really don't care if no one else does it. The reason the players and owners are able to make so much money is because of the fans. That means we hold the power and people just don't seem to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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