Buftex Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) No, quite the opposite. OC's existence on the plains of PPP is to hunt buftexes. In fact, if he doesn't hunt buftexes then he loses his essence(interest) and drifts towards the annoying abyss(go back to debugging this new thing I am working on). Of course, you just check in here from time to time, in between doing more important, smart stuff...sweet dreams...tomorrow you hunt another day! Edited March 10, 2011 by Buftex
....lybob Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Given that I was able to predict the start of the mortgage market's collapse TO THE MONTH, five years before it happened, based on my knowledge of the American public's borrowing habits, I think I've safely demonstrated that that the homeowners were just as much to blame...if not more so. Last I checked, no one was ever forced to buy a home. OK lets say the Homeowner was just as much to blame- lets give both sides of this criminal mortgage transaction (homeowner, loan officer) 10 weekends in jail and a $500 fine for every transaction they were involved in, the same for the branch managers, regional managers all the way up to the top. The guys at the top get huge rewards which we are told are justified by the vast assets they skillfully control but apologists for fraud like DC TOM and Magox never want them to face any penalty for their part in fraud.
RkFast Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) I'm sorry, I was wrong. The government is broke and we should all accept a tax cut to raise revenue. Remember how tax cuts were going to create a f'n free market paradise? The trash believed this stuff, add in banking deregulation and here we are. My neighbors kid can't play soccer now Now you have pukes like DCTom actually arguing that the people were just as much responsible for the housing crash as the people WHO SHOULD BE IN JAIL for their selling away the toxic mortgages they negotiated to dupes who had no idea the bankers were cheating them Your neighbor's kid cant pay soccer because some lame-ass lazy fat douchebag who drives a streetsweeper for two hours a day no longer has the ability to have someone have a totally one sided negotiation to get a completely FREE pension oh his behalf? Edited March 10, 2011 by RkFast
....lybob Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Your neighbor's kid cant pay soccer because some lame-ass lazy fat douchebag who drives a streetsweeper for two hours a day no longer has the ability to have someone have a totally one sided negotiation to get a completely FREE pension oh his behalf? Prove any of that.
whateverdude Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) The union has wasted 6.6 million in dues to fight the Governor. How many teachers could this have hired? fat cat unions Edited March 10, 2011 by whateverdude
KD in CA Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how is it grossly unfair to ask someone to contribute a small % to their own pension and medical premiums. Anyone?
Fezmid Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how is it grossly unfair to ask someone to contribute a small % to their own pension and medical premiums. Anyone? It's not. But the major complaint people have here is the collective bargaining angle. Walker is severely reducing it so that cities/towns/districts aren't held hostage by public workers and have the latitude to be able to shift their finances around in a way that makes sense for that area instead of having a state-wide "one size fits all" mentality. This will weaken the unions and force employees to be individuals - like most of the country already is. As for the "my neighbor's kid can't play soccer" comment -- if it's true that the school cut the sport (which wouldn't have happened based on yesterday's vote - it's too soon), and you know the kids really want to play soccer, start up your own league and charge dues. Kids around here play hockey as kids - and the school doesn't pay for that, yet they still play. Sticks, pads, ice time, etc, all paid for by parents who have kids that want to play hockey. Soccer will be CHEAP comparatively.
RkFast Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Prove any of that. No problem: Because of the insane union contracts in Wisconsin, one Madison bus driver, John E. Nelson, was able to make $159,000 in 2009 -- about $100,000 of which in overtime pay. Jackie Gleason didn't make that much playing bus driver Ralph Kramden on "The Honeymooners." Seven bus drivers took home more than $100,000 that year. When asked about the outrageous overtime pay for bus drivers -- totaling $1.94 million in 2009 alone -- Transit and Parking Commission Chairman Gary Poulson said: "That's the contract." www.anncoulter.com
Magox Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 OK lets say the Homeowner was just as much to blame- lets give both sides of this criminal mortgage transaction (homeowner, loan officer) 10 weekends in jail and a $500 fine for every transaction they were involved in, the same for the branch managers, regional managers all the way up to the top. The guys at the top get huge rewards which we are told are justified by the vast assets they skillfully control but apologists for fraud like DC TOM and Magox never want them to face any penalty for their part in fraud. Prove that I ever said or inferred that! Prove it! You can't. You just go based off your preconceived view of me, I unlike you bobby look at things from both sides of the coin. I have said here on more than a few occassions that the underwriting from the banks, the credit agencies and the mortgage servicers played a signigicant role in the downfall of the economy. Of course there were many other pieces of the puzzle that contributed as well, but these would all fit in my top ten reasons for the collapse in the housing market. People are people, doesnt matter where they work, whether they are steel mill workers, truckdrivers, bankers or politicians, you'll find good and honest ones in all fields and you'll find cheating pieces of shitz as well. I don't buy into the propaganda that you spew because I know it to be a fact that much of it is gibberish and that it all comes form loony leftist conspiratist rantings of people that are able to suck other like-minded people into seeing things that fit their POV (for example YOU).
UConn James Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 As for the "my neighbor's kid can't play soccer" comment -- if it's true that the school cut the sport (which wouldn't have happened based on yesterday's vote - it's too soon), and you know the kids really want to play soccer, start up your own league and charge dues. Kids around here play hockey as kids - and the school doesn't pay for that, yet they still play. Sticks, pads, ice time, etc, all paid for by parents who have kids that want to play hockey. Soccer will be CHEAP comparatively. Awww, man... That sounds like work.
Dante Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Prove that I ever said or inferred that! Prove it! You can't. You just go based off your preconceived view of me, I unlike you bobby look at things from both sides of the coin. I have said here on more than a few occassions that the underwriting from the banks, the credit agencies and the mortgage servicers played a signigicant role in the downfall of the economy. Of course there were many other pieces of the puzzle that contributed as well, but these would all fit in my top ten reasons for the collapse in the housing market. People are people, doesnt matter where they work, whether they are steel mill workers, truckdrivers, bankers or politicians, you'll find good and honest ones in all fields and you'll find cheating pieces of shitz as well. I don't buy into the propaganda that you spew because I know it to be a fact that much of it is gibberish and that it all comes form loony leftist conspiratist rantings of people that are able to suck other like-minded people into seeing things that fit their POV (for example YOU). Exactly. Any political system, even the best like one based on individual power and the free market(Constitution), is not perfect and can be exploited. Leftists like some on this board see this as a opportunity for more government intervention. More regulations. More stifling laws. More tax. All in the name of protecting us. Lets scrap life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for socialist control. Throwing the baby out with the bath water. And btw, I think the founding fathers would be proud of the union busting Walker. Chalk up a victory for individual liberty and the tax payer. Edited March 10, 2011 by Dante
DC Tom Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 OK lets say the Homeowner was just as much to blame- lets give both sides of this criminal mortgage transaction (homeowner, loan officer) 10 weekends in jail and a $500 fine for every transaction they were involved in, the same for the branch managers, regional managers all the way up to the top. The guys at the top get huge rewards which we are told are justified by the vast assets they skillfully control but apologists for fraud like DC TOM and Magox never want them to face any penalty for their part in fraud. On the contrary, I want them to face penalties for fraud (particularly mortgage brokers). Those who committed fraud, at least. Which, in this particular case, aren't that many - you're just too long on senseless outrage and short on actual facts to understand that. There is, in fact, a difference between "fraud" and "stupid". No problem: Because of the insane union contracts in Wisconsin, one Madison bus driver, John E. Nelson, was able to make $159,000 in 2009 -- about $100,000 of which in overtime pay. Jackie Gleason didn't make that much playing bus driver Ralph Kramden on "The Honeymooners." Seven bus drivers took home more than $100,000 that year. When asked about the outrageous overtime pay for bus drivers -- totaling $1.94 million in 2009 alone -- Transit and Parking Commission Chairman Gary Poulson said: "That's the contract." www.anncoulter.com Ann Coulter is not proof of anything other than the dessicating effects of aging.
erynthered Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Union sheep are scary people. They have low self esteem or individual accountability. They feel a need to be "protected" by big brother union bosses. And they have the audacity to despise people that own and operate businesses. And they are taking that same attitude towards taxpayers. Guess what? The tide is changing. The taxpayers have had enough of us paying your dues, when you use those dues to elect politicians that take more of our taxes to give to you. Game over. Sheep, its time to accept your union bosses have gone too far the last 20 years or so.
3rdnlng Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 OC's their leader...he has no obvious special power, other than gobbling up all of DC Tom's droppings...as their are so few buftex left for the big, tough, hooded PPP hunters, they must resort to stroking eachothers egos, and perpetuate the myth that they are the smartest men in the world...typing away at their keyboards, just looking for something to pounce on...keeping their skills sharp...they are a repugnant bunch...they will have their day...soon they will have their own candidate back in the White House, and blame the previous candidate for all of his follies...just as they accuse others...but until that day, they must tuck their flacid pricks back in their sweat pants, and dream...they will have their day... Obviously it's an evolutionary process of eliminating the weaker specimens.
Chef Jim Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how is it grossly unfair to ask someone to contribute a small % to their own pension and medical premiums. Anyone? What I'm really waiting for is for someone to explain to us how this vote means the unions have been busted.
IDBillzFan Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 What I'm really waiting for is for someone to explain to us how this vote means the unions have been busted. I suspect the union folks call it "union busting" because is eliminates the mandatory collection of union dues from state employee paychecks. The unions know that if they're left to their own, they can't really MAKE people pay dues, so they likely fear most people will opt out of paying dues the moment they see their take home pay increase.
RkFast Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Ann Coulter is not proof of anything other than the dessicating effects of aging. Youre an idiot. The piece I cut out and posted was factual information and a quote from a state commission member. It was not her opinion.
KD in CA Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 It's not. But the major complaint people have here is the collective bargaining angle. Walker is severely reducing it so that cities/towns/districts aren't held hostage by public workers and have the latitude to be able to shift their finances around in a way that makes sense for that area instead of having a state-wide "one size fits all" mentality. This will weaken the unions and force employees to be individuals - like most of the country already is. Well that certainly makes sense. It's not like the unions were ever going to stand for their members contributing anything to their pensions under the existing collective bargaining rules, so after years of failed attempts, the elected officials took the only remaining step they had available -- eliminating the collective bargaining rights. Makes perfect sense. Funny how we still can't get the union sycophants to put down their hysteria and answer these simple questions. As for the "my neighbor's kid can't play soccer" comment -- if it's true that the school cut the sport (which wouldn't have happened based on yesterday's vote - it's too soon), and you know the kids really want to play soccer, start up your own league and charge dues. Kids around here play hockey as kids - and the school doesn't pay for that, yet they still play. Sticks, pads, ice time, etc, all paid for by parents who have kids that want to play hockey. Soccer will be CHEAP comparatively. Yup; every sport I played as a kid came with dues. How much could it possibly cost to run a kids' soccer league?
IDBillzFan Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Yup; every sport I played as a kid came with dues. How much could it possibly cost to run a kids' soccer league? I think the stereoptypical progressive hysteria trifecta of teachers/cops/fireman isn't working like it usually does, so they need to expand it to include "You're killing our children's playgrounds!"
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