Wagon Circler Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) I blame Obama. Edited March 9, 2011 by Why Not Levi
Pete Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 The Bills are the only reason I care about the NFL. No Bills and the NFL no longer exists to me. PTR same here. The day the Bills leave Buffalo is the day I stop watching football. The sad thing is I think the skill level of the NFL is at an all time high right now. The product might be the highest quality ever. But like we have reiterated the commercials are killing the game. Sports like hockey or soccer have such great flow and are fun to watch. The NFL has had an MTV makeover. There is no flow and I couldn't care less about TO's tweets. And please spare me the big half time show. I go to games to watch football
reddogblitz Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 But like we have reiterated the commercials are killing the game. I've solved this problem. I TIVO the game and start watching it about an hour after the game starts. I catch up late in the 4th Quarter. I can watch the whole game in an hour's less time AND not have to watch commercials or blathering at 1/2 time.
Pete Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 I've solved this problem. I TIVO the game and start watching it about an hour after the game starts. I catch up late in the 4th Quarter. I can watch the whole game in an hour's less time AND not have to watch commercials or blathering at 1/2 time. Tivo is good for that. What do you do if you are watching a game live?
Got_Wood Posted March 9, 2011 Author Posted March 9, 2011 Ok, I'm glad I started this thread. Clearly this is the way many fans think out there. Soon enough the NFL will need to start thinking about how they can make watching football entertaining, while still affordable. Not just issuing threats like blackouts for games that aren't sold out. Eventually the growth becomes unsustainable.
Drifter Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 I have to agree with the flow of the game being ruined. After a team scores I go and get some things done around the house. There are 2 minutes of commercials after the extra point, a kick off for 10 seconds then another 2-3 minutes of commercials. In a high scoring game I can get a lot accomplished. The price of the Sunday ticket has made me finally end the automatic renewal after 10 years. I'm anticipating the price to go up like it has every year and it has reached that point of not being worth it. I'll wait and see the edited game during the week on NFL network.
DC Tom Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 I don't get it. You'd pay for a full game, pay parking, pay for 3 quarters of concessions, and that's supposed to teach someone a lesson? Why pay all that money and lose out on watching the whole game? Doesn't that really hurt the fan more than anything else? I could see if the idea was to boycott one game a year...only season ticket holders show up. Edit: I'll add that in order for this to really make any difference, it would have to be done at home as well. Everyone shuts their TV's off, nobody goes to sports bars, etc... Actually, using the first quarter boycott for television would work FAR better. I still don't think it would do much, but it would be better than the stadium. Thank you. I was just going to point out all the same things. Particularly about the TV boycott...the league cares more about its advertising revenue than it does the gate revenue. 16 empty stadiums for a single quarter will have nowhere near the impact of a single letter from the CEO of Moslon-Coors.
JPicc2114 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 The entire league, including the owners and players, are filled with greed. I mean, it's getting to the point where I can't stand these people. I've been a Bills fan, and football fan in general, for my entire life. And the league as it stands is threatening to take football away from the average fan, even if they decide to take the field this year. Ticket prices continue to rise (not so much in Buffalo as other cities), parking lot fees are expensive, stadiums seats are being replaced with luxury boxes, beer and food is unaffordable, etc etc. Players aren't as loyal to their teams anymore because they want the best paycheck they can find. Cities can't keep their stadiums anymore, because they don't have enough luxury seating, jumbo trons, or tourist attractions. And the average tax payer is expected to foot a good percentage of the bill for a new stadium to support the wealthy that the league wants attending these games. If they think fans care about the billionaires vs. millionaires battle going on right now, they can stuff it. I'd be pissed if there wasn't football this year, but it won't ruin my year by any means. These guys need a reality check. "Growth" has it's limits. And the NFL can't forget the fans that made the league what it is today. The average, blue collar, hard working man. This article has some great insight into the current state of the league... http://www.jsonline.com/sports/117500703.html Yet, we the fan are willing to dish it out... whos fault is it really?
RTW2012 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) I am with you. Football is almost unwatchable with all the commercials. I remember games used to start at 1:00 and would finish sometimes at 3:30. Now 1:00 games sometimes are on past 5, trying to squeeze every advertising $ they can. I didn't go to a live football game for years then went to a Sunday night game- and could not believe how much the players stood around during tv timeouts. Money is the ruiner of all things good You must be thinking of baseball. I don't ever remember 2.5 hour games (possibly pre-1980, if you go back that far), and 1pm games today rarely hit 4:30pm (with OT), let alone 5pm. Getting rid of all public subsidies for every team would be a start. Edited March 9, 2011 by mobywale
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Football players are gladiators in an arena that generates billions. They deserve every cent they get. Hopefully, the greedy owners don't kill the golden goose.
CodeMonkey Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 The Bills are the only reason I care about the NFL. No Bills and the NFL no longer exists to me. PTR This is absolutely the case for me as well. I watch very few non-Bills games. And when I do, the only way I can tolerate it is I have software to record shows and strip out the commercials. It doesn't kill all the wasted time between plays etc., but just no commercials makes the game significantly more watchable.
The Cincinnati Kid Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Like many other posters, I agree that the Bills are it for me. I am such a die-hard bills fan that if they did leave, I just couldn't root for another team. If the current players went with the Bills to the new city, I could watch till most of them left, but after that, the disconnect would be too large. I could never root for the Jets, Patriots, Steelers or Browns who would likely fill the Regional Action on CBS or Fox. It just wouldn't be the same. I guess I would just cheer on Penn State on Saturdays, or not really watch at all. Its a sad thought, but its probably what would happen for me if the Bills left Buffalo. I hope that never happens because watching the Bills on Sundays is often what gets me to either shake a hangover or have another...usually both.
gizmo6824 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 The entire league, including the owners and players, are filled with greed. I mean, it's getting to the point where I can't stand these people. I've been a Bills fan, and football fan in general, for my entire life. And the league as it stands is threatening to take football away from the average fan, even if they decide to take the field this year. Ticket prices continue to rise (not so much in Buffalo as other cities), parking lot fees are expensive, stadiums seats are being replaced with luxury boxes, beer and food is unaffordable, etc etc. Players aren't as loyal to their teams anymore because they want the best paycheck they can find. Cities can't keep their stadiums anymore, because they don't have enough luxury seating, jumbo trons, or tourist attractions. And the average tax payer is expected to foot a good percentage of the bill for a new stadium to support the wealthy that the league wants attending these games. If they think fans care about the billionaires vs. millionaires battle going on right now, they can stuff it. I'd be pissed if there wasn't football this year, but it won't ruin my year by any means. These guys need a reality check. "Growth" has it's limits. And the NFL can't forget the fans that made the league what it is today. The average, blue collar, hard working man. This article has some great insight into the current state of the league... http://www.jsonline.com/sports/117500703.html I think we as fans should wait till the new cba is signed, wait until the first game of the regular season and then run a lock out of our own. no one attend the first game. Let then loose millions in one shot and see how it feels to want. just a thought. not that any of the fans out there would actually do it.
machinegun12 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) The Bills are the only reason I care about the NFL. No Bills and the NFL no longer exists to me. PTR I am 100% with you on this. My brother (a Lions fan) was joking with me one time about if the Bills were to leave Buffalo if I would start rooting for Detroit. It really put it in perspective for me...I am a BILLS fan, not an NFL fan. I could care less what happens to the game if Buffalo were no longer in the picture. My fall Sundays would probably become productive. Edited March 9, 2011 by machinegun12
bills1960 Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Definitely. especially as Bills fan we realize that all the league cares about is money. Market size and money. Its sad cuz it hasnt always been this way.
Got_Wood Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Thank you. I was just going to point out all the same things. Particularly about the TV boycott...the league cares more about its advertising revenue than it does the gate revenue. 16 empty stadiums for a single quarter will have nowhere near the impact of a single letter from the CEO of Moslon-Coors. I agree with this. A TV boycott would be huge, but hard to organize such a massive "fan blackout". But I'd love to shove our own blackout back in their face. Edited March 10, 2011 by Got_Wood
Billsguy Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I am with you. Football is almost unwatchable with all the commercials. I remember games used to start at 1:00 and would finish sometimes at 3:30. Now 1:00 games sometimes are on past 5, trying to squeeze every advertising $ they can. I didn't go to a live football game for years then went to a Sunday night game- and could not believe how much the players stood around during tv timeouts. Money is the ruiner of all things good If it wasn't for my DVR, football would be totally unwatchable. I can watch a recorded game in about an hour and I don't have to see or listen to commercials or insufferable commentators like Dan Dierdorf or Steve Tasker.
ajzepp Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I agree, on a certain level...but for me, the disparity between talent levels in college football make it far less interesting than the NFL. That's why I have fallen in love with SEC football. There are powerhouse programs scattered all around the country, but the SEC is easily the most competitive AND strongest conference in college ball. Both the east and west divisions are competitive, and a large proportion of the nations best players can be found here. I feel like I got dropped into football mecca and went from being a very casual observer of the game to an honest to goodness FAN of college football. I only wish that Lane Kiffin would have stayed at Tennessee...the way he was talking crap was really entertaining to me. I was loving when he was calling out Urban Meyer and damn near beating Florida with a far less talented squad. Hell, I even paid attention to the draft classes this season, which was a first. I already know like ten of the incoming freshman for the 'dawgs next season...that was unfathomable for me before I moved down here to Atlanta. As for the NFL, I am a bit more tolerant of their greed since on any given day you can go from an all-star to a cripple in the blink of an eye. These guys' bodies truly take a pounding, and I think they deserve what they are paid. I don't agree with rooks getting to break the bank before even playing a single down, but I think the vets deserve what they get. That being said, they need to get this CBA done and overwith so that we can get back to football.
Chef Jim Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Let me put it this way. My Sunday's have been open for a few years now but it has very little to do with greed. A wise man once said "greed is good." I just can't stand how slow the game moves. Yup for the "action" sport that it is there sure is a lot of down time and yabbering by two or three guys I'd rather not listen to. I read someplace that the average NFL game has 11 minutes of action. 11 !@#$ing minutes!! I prefer hockey with lots of non-stop action and baseball that was never intended to be action packed. The NFL may not be dead to me but it's on life support and the family is gathering bedside.
jester43 Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 same here. The day the Bills leave Buffalo is the day I stop watching football. The sad thing is I think the skill level of the NFL is at an all time high right now. The product might be the highest quality ever. But like we have reiterated the commercials are killing the game. Sports like hockey or soccer have such great flow and are fun to watch. The NFL has had an MTV makeover. There is no flow and I couldn't care less about TO's tweets. And please spare me the big half time show. I go to games to watch football the way they broadcast sports in this country is destroying my interest also. the commercials just drive me insane. i love watching pro rugby for that reason...no interruptions.
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