duey Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 "Buffalo's 154 points in its last four games is the best in club history over such a span, exceeding any four-game output by the no-huddle offense of the team's Super Bowl years." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7998727 To me, this is something of an amazing stat. And what jumps out at me is this...the current Bills are scoring from all three squads...O, D and ST. I'm thinking the most productive four game stretch by the Kelly team was mostly, if not completely, O. Which leads one to ask the following...is the current Bills squad a better overall team than the Super Bowl teams? Lets look (IMHO of course)... SB team D vs. 2004 team D...clear winner = 2004 team D SB team ST vs. 2004 team ST...clear winner - 2004 ST SB team O vs. 2004 team O...hmmm...a bit more detailed review is in order... Kelly vs. Drew...clear winner = Kelly TT vs. WM...winner = TT, though WM is coming up strong Andre Reed vs. Moulds...different types of receivers, but based on production...winner = Andre Lofton/Beebe vs. Lee Evans...same as above...for now Big Red vs. our current TE's...clear winner = Metz SB O line vs. 2004 O line...just like at RB, winner = SB tteam, though the current squad is coming on strong Conclusion...winner = SB team O, with the 2004 team O growing stronger as it matures. Take the SB team that lost to the Giants vs. this squad...who wins? I say this squad, primarily due to the fact that this D is the type (fast, creative, harassing) which always gave our SB squads fits. Very very interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo mike Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Donahoe is probably printing this page off running into Ralph's office talking extension...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Hull at OC made a huge difference. I am thinking that the jests would have at least one more loss if not for Mawae (sic). Oh, and imo, Metz was perhaps the most under-rated Bill of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I think the Super Bowl D was better. Sorry everyone. I really enjoy watching this year's D, but there is no Bruce Smith. I also think Biscuit and Talley were a better team than Takeo and London. Lenord Smith (only SB 25, I believe) was as good as Lawyer. Nate Odoms was as good or better than Nate Clements. Shane Conlan, Mark Kelso, Jeff Wright, etc., were all great. Also, MM is no match for Marv Levy -- maybe someday. Nonetheless, I think the Bills have a good chance of going deep into the playoffs this year -- if they get the help needed to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I think the Super Bowl D was better. Sorry everyone. I really enjoy watching this year's D, but there is no Bruce Smith. I also think Biscuit and Talley were a better team than Takeo and London. Lenord Smith (only SB 25, I believe) was as good as Lawyer. Nate Odoms was as good or better than Nate Clements. Shane Conlan, Mark Kelso, Jeff Wright, etc., were all great. Also, MM is no match for Marv Levy -- maybe someday. Nonetheless, I think the Bills have a good chance of going deep into the playoffs this year -- if they get the help needed to get in. 160115[/snapback] The Super Bowl defense was very underrated and the schemes were very basic. Put those players in a more aggressive and attacking style and they'd have been much more productive. Walt Corey was an idiot, though in fairness to him defensive schemes have greatly matured over the last 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 I think the Super Bowl D was better. Sorry everyone. I really enjoy watching this year's D, but there is no Bruce Smith. I also think Biscuit and Talley were a better team than Takeo and London. Lenord Smith (only SB 25, I believe) was as good as Lawyer. Nate Odoms was as good or better than Nate Clements. Shane Conlan, Mark Kelso, Jeff Wright, etc., were all great. Also, MM is no match for Marv Levy -- maybe someday. Nonetheless, I think the Bills have a good chance of going deep into the playoffs this year -- if they get the help needed to get in. 160115[/snapback] Jeez...I forgot to compare the coaching staffs. I agree...Marv is better than MM...for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 The Super Bowl defense was very underrated and the schemes were very basic. Put those players in a more aggressive and attacking style and they'd have been much more productive. Walt Corey was an idiot, though in fairness to him defensive schemes have greatly matured over the last 10 years. 160121[/snapback] I agree with that. That defense gave up a ton of yardage. Probably in part due to the fact that if the hurry up didn't move at least 30 yds on a drive, the D was right back on the field only after only a couple of minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Some of you guys just have a blinding love affair with those SB teams. I guess they will always hold a special place in all of our hearts, but c'mon - Kelso and Wright were not great players. Odoms was good at getting picks but he also got burned his share (not that I'm a big Clements fan either). Biscuit was good but overrated. Switch Head Coaches in SB 25 and the Bills win (without needing a last-second FG). That defense had a better pass-rush with Bruce, but the current one is better at everything else. Plus the conference in 1990 was the modern day NFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Some of you guys just have a blinding love affair with those SB teams. I guess they will always hold a special place in all of our hearts, but c'mon -Kelso and Wright were not great players. Odoms was good at getting picks but he also got burned his share (not that I'm a big Clements fan either). Biscuit was good but overrated. Switch Head Coaches in SB 25 and the Bills win (without needing a last-second FG). That defense had a better pass-rush with Bruce, but the current one is better at everything else. Plus the conference in 1990 was the modern day NFC. 160179[/snapback] There's no doubt that changing HC's on the sidelines (or even defensive coordinators) would have made a huge difference. I don't think Biscuit was overrated. I think he was misused. Big difference. Good corners give up big plays. The key is they make more than they give up. Chris Kelsey isn't a great player. Neither is Jeff Posey. Terrence McGee ain't yet, but he certainly has the look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 The Super Bowl defense was very underrated and the schemes were very basic. Put those players in a more aggressive and attacking style and they'd have been much more productive. Walt Corey was an idiot, though in fairness to him defensive schemes have greatly matured over the last 10 years. 160121[/snapback] Dontcha think that they were a tad light up front? Btw, I would take Spikes/Fletcher over Bennett/Talley. They seem WAY tougher to run on, but then again, they ARE playing behind Big Sam. Tough call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Chris Kelsey isn't a great player. Neither is Jeff Posey. Terrence McGee ain't yet, but he certainly has the look. 160189[/snapback] Never said they were. Somebody did say Wright & Kelso were great. Again, Odoms was pretty good but if you take away 2 plays in his career - the int vs. Houston and the strip of Willie Gault on Sunday night would anybody even remember him any differently than Thomas Smith? Dontcha think that they were a tad light up front?Btw, I would take Spikes/Fletcher over Bennett/Talley. They seem WAY tougher to run on, but then again, they ARE playing behind Big Sam. Tough call. That is a tough call - by slim margins, I would say Spikes is the best of the 4 and Fletcher is the worst - so it's probably a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Never said they were. Somebody did say Wright & Kelso were great. Again, Odoms was pretty good but if you take away 2 plays in his career - the int vs. Houston and the strip of Willie Gault on Sunday night would anybody even remember him any differently than Thomas Smith? That is a tough call - by slim margins, I would say Spikes is the best of the 4 and Fletcher is the worst - so it's probably a wash. 160219[/snapback] I know that I will get blasted for this, but I rank Fletcher ever so slightly above Talley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I know that I will get blasted for this, but I rank Fletcher ever so slightly above Talley. 160223[/snapback] It's probably a wash, though they play different positions in different schemes. They are very alike in their leadership. I love London and think he's playing as well as any inside backer in the NFL and has been since donning the charging bison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Dontcha think that they were a tad light up front? Btw, I would take Spikes/Fletcher over Bennett/Talley. They seem WAY tougher to run on, but then again, they ARE playing behind Big Sam. Tough call. 160194[/snapback] Any linebacker playing behind Pat and Sam is going to look at least 20 percent better than he really is. They may be the best D-tackle-duo in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 It's probably a wash, though they play different positions in different schemes. They are very alike in their leadership. I love London and think he's playing as well as any inside backer in the NFL and has been since donning the charging bison. 160229[/snapback] I think that Talley was a little better vs. the pass, but London is all over the friggin field, and he is just a ba$tard to run against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I think that Talley was a little better vs. the pass, but London is all over the friggin field, and he is just a ba$tard to run against. 160236[/snapback] I don't know that I've ever seen a linebacker play faster than London does. He pretty much has one speed. Maybe Sam Mills - who was similiar to London in alot of ways and one of my favorite non-BILLS of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Any linebacker playing behind Pat and Sam is going to look at least 20 percent better than he really is. They may be the best D-tackle-duo in history. 160234[/snapback] I dont remember. Did Harvey Martin and Bob Lily play together? If so, they too were pretty tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyebrian Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I think the Super Bowl D was better. Sorry everyone. I really enjoy watching this year's D, but there is no Bruce Smith. I also think Biscuit and Talley were a better team than Takeo and London. Lenord Smith (only SB 25, I believe) was as good as Lawyer. Nate Odoms was as good or better than Nate Clements. Shane Conlan, Mark Kelso, Jeff Wright, etc., were all great. Also, MM is no match for Marv Levy -- maybe someday. Nonetheless, I think the Bills have a good chance of going deep into the playoffs this year -- if they get the help needed to get in. 160115[/snapback] Keep the players we have on D and we are one speed-rushing DE away from having one freakin' scary defense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 No comparison at all. When the current Bills team wins 5 of 6 division titles and goes to 4 straight Super Bowls, then come back and talk about it. 4 games does not invite talk of comparisons to the glory days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I dont remember. Did Harvey Martin and Bob Lily play together? If so, they too were pretty tough. 160244[/snapback] Harvey Martin was an end. Randy White may be who you're thinking of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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