PaattMaann Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) I read an artcle in ESPN about David Garrard meeting with Jags team and telling them all how they will all still be working out together as a team/position players if there is a lockout so that they are all ready physically and with the plays/verbage of their system (link to that story at bottom of post)...which I think is a GREAT idea. Any word if there are bills players, either blocks, groups or the whole team who are planning to do this as well? It would obviously depend on peer pressure and great individual leaders, which im not sure the bills roster is loaded with....however, this seems like a great idea, any word if the bills are planning this? Would the Union oppose this plan, seeing in how if a player injures himself while working out, he has to recover on his own (both financially and medically?).... Also, team facilities can still be used if the owners dont officially "lock out" the players correct? It is speculated that a lockout would come down as soon as March 4th, but if that doesnt officially happen, can facilities still be used? http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/21764/garrard-plan-for-lockout-encouraging Edited February 27, 2011 by PaattMaann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I read an artcle in ESPN about David Garrard meeting with Jags team and telling them all how they will all still be working out together as a team/position players if there is a lockout so that they are all ready physically and with the plays/verbage of their system (link to that story at bottom of post)...which I think is a GREAT idea. Any word if there are bills players, either blocks, groups or the whole team who are planning to do this as well? It would obviously depend on peer pressure and great individual leaders, which im not sure the bills roster is loaded with....however, this seems like a great idea, any word if the bills are planning this? Would the Union oppose this plan, seeing in how if a player injures himself while working out, he has to recover on his own (both financially and medically?).... Also, team facilities can still be used if the owners dont officially "lock out" the players correct? It is speculated that a lockout would come down as soon as March 4th, but if that doesnt officially happen, can facilities still be used? http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/21764/garrard-plan-for-lockout-encouraging Yes, the union is already opposing this plan and team practices and meetings most likely will not happen during a lockout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Yes, the union is already opposing this plan and team practices and meetings most likely will not happen during a lockout. which is why the players will not be staying out that long they want to play and need the money hard for the union to oppose what the players want to do since the NFLPA will no longer exist after it de-certifies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Saints already have plans organized via brees- drew already rented their own warehouse for walkthroughs. I'd assume every team will get some sort of plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I heard that Fitzgibbons was starting a book club and has invited all of the receivers and backs to participate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 I heard that Fitzgibbons was starting a book club and has invited all of the receivers and backs to participate. Judging by the Twitter accounts of many of them I am only going to assume that the books will be at a 5th grade level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hplarrm Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Judging by the Twitter accounts of many of them I am only going to assume that the books will be at a 5th grade level. My sense is certainly that most NFL players are steroid (or whatever illegal drug they think they can get away with)infused behemoths who really are not geniuses to say the least. However, past events with the last lockout leading to the old AFL-CIO union leadership getting tossed by the players after the owners cleaned their clocks in the last lockout, the key to this is gonna be the talented tenth of players who can play the leadership role with the lamblike players. The NFL team owners have made a bargain with the devil to forgo the major speculative cash drain that MLB and the NHL deal with when they bid for ownership of 16 year olds. They award huge contracts to youngsters and bear the costs of training them. However, in exchange for this bet they get to negotiate with kids and their parents. The NFL gets the huge subsidy of having colleges an often taxpayers pay to train these kids, but the downside is that they are negotiating with adults, some percentage of them (even if you think that players are fools) being pretty smart college educated adults. Just as Upshaw used the fact that Ed Garvey and the traditional union guys who used to be in charge got killed in the last lockout, so too is the current talented tenth of the players able to demonstrate how with a non-traditional (and actually socialistic rather than capitalistic) approach the players and the NFL actually make more money than seemed possible. I will be quite surprised if the players led by the Troy Vincent and TKO types who spent their off-seasons getting Ivy League business educations do not introduce some sort of curveball into the coming fight much the way that the threat to decertify the NFLPA in the late 80s caused the owners to go running to sign the CBA rather than compete in a more capitalist system. The players are generally stupid kids bit not all of them. The smarter ones buoyed by them proving themselves to also be stud athletes are likely to lead the brood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) My sense is certainly that most NFL players are steroid (or whatever illegal drug they think they can get away with)infused behemoths who really are not geniuses to say the least. However, past events with the last lockout leading to the old AFL-CIO union leadership getting tossed by the players after the owners cleaned their clocks in the last lockout, the key to this is gonna be the talented tenth of players who can play the leadership role with the lamblike players. The NFL team owners have made a bargain with the devil to forgo the major speculative cash drain that MLB and the NHL deal with when they bid for ownership of 16 year olds. They award huge contracts to youngsters and bear the costs of training them. However, in exchange for this bet they get to negotiate with kids and their parents. The NFL gets the huge subsidy of having colleges an often taxpayers pay to train these kids, but the downside is that they are negotiating with adults, some percentage of them (even if you think that players are fools) being pretty smart college educated adults. Just as Upshaw used the fact that Ed Garvey and the traditional union guys who used to be in charge got killed in the last lockout, so too is the current talented tenth of the players able to demonstrate how with a non-traditional (and actually socialistic rather than capitalistic) approach the players and the NFL actually make more money than seemed possible. I will be quite surprised if the players led by the Troy Vincent and TKO types who spent their off-seasons getting Ivy League business educations do not introduce some sort of curveball into the coming fight much the way that the threat to decertify the NFLPA in the late 80s caused the owners to go running to sign the CBA rather than compete in a more capitalist system. The players are generally stupid kids bit not all of them. The smarter ones buoyed by them proving themselves to also be stud athletes are likely to lead the brood. aside from several large holes in your argument -- including the fact that colleges make a lot of money "training" players for the NFL -- would like to point out that, um, Troy Vincent works for the NFL now. jw Edited March 1, 2011 by john wawrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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