/dev/null Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 The Bills have had some awful QBs the last decade. Drew Bledsoe's short lived stint here was the franchise's most stable period at the most important position. So of the remainding claimants to the throne... Which was the best of a bad lot? Which was the worst of a rotten batch?
jr1 Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 They all had anxiety in the pocket. RJ and JP had decent mobility. Trent had the best hair on the Bieber scale. JP's beard was Taliban regulation
NoSaint Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 I think that if all three came out in the draft this year- same condition they were the year the arrived..... Trent JP RJ With the Trent over jp being the fact he was a later round pick. I like to think chan could've done something with the first two. I think rj is just not meant to be in the NFL period. I'd be very curious to see chan with a freshly drafted losman. Might not have been any better, but I hate what DJ did with him. Seems the worse he did in the pocket the more he tried to bottle him in. By the end, he was and is done. If he embraced the move the pocket gunslinger, it might not have failed so miserably.
major Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Best of the bad: Rob Johnson Worst of the bad: JP Losman
Mr_Blizzard Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Best of the bad: Rob Johnson Worst of the bad: JP Losman If Rob could have stayed healthy, he probably would have had a decent career with Buffalo.
Bzee Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) Trent was the worse of the worst!!! Edited February 27, 2011 by Bzee
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 The Bills have had some awful QBs the last decade. Drew Bledsoe's short lived stint here was the franchise's most stable period at the most important position. So of the remainding claimants to the throne... Which was the best of a bad lot? Which was the worst of a rotten batch? hard to say but it was RJ, he was extremely sharp in the music city debacle and would have won the game if not for the throw-up. Wonder how he would have turned out if he won, really thought he turned the corner there but thereafter he was never the same.
Spiderweb Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 hard to say but it was RJ, he was extremely sharp in the music city debacle and would have won the game if not for the throw-up. Wonder how he would have turned out if he won, really thought he turned the corner there but thereafter he was never the same. Johnson was anything BUT sharp in the Music City Homerun Throw Forward game. He did however, make some plays to get us to where Christy's FG had given us the lead with 16 seconds to go. All three of these QB's suffered from a need of having a nine second pocket. All processed information too slowly to ever become a succesful NFL QB. Johnson and Losman had the physical tools. By the end, Edwards had become so pitiful it went beyond sickening.
808 Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 i still feel like losman could have been mid level to good. he want a guy who was gonna sit in the pocket. he created with his feet and threw on the run quite a bit. just felt like it was the coaching that progressed his downfall. i was thinking the same that maybe chan could have gotten something out of JP after watching what he did with fitz. Either way its done and did and we are on to the next
Geno Smith's Arm Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Best of the bad: Rob Johnson Worst of the bad: JP Losman Rob Johnson was easily the best of the bunch, he even had a playoff game won, except the last kickoff....not his fault.
Dorkington Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 I think Rob Johnson had the most upside, followed by JP Losman. Trent could have been solid, but I doubt he could have been anything great. Rob and JP had great physical tools, just couldn't put together the pieces properly.
Albany,n.y. Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 JP set the team back the most. Drafting JP cost the Bills shots at Rodgers & Cutler. In Rodgers' case, the Bills would have had the pick to use on Rodgers if they hadn't traded it away for JP. In Cutler's case, the Bills chose to draft Whitner at pick 8 with Cutler on the board because they were committed to starting JP. Also, if the Bills had confidence in JP, they never would have drafted Trent in 2007. Since without JP's shaky status, there's no Trent, JP trumps Trent. The reason Rob isn't even in the running is because, with the exception of his final season, the Bills could always turn to Flutie, so Rob wasn't ruining the franchise. Clearly, in terms of setting the team back the most, JP towers over the others.
Red Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) The Bills have had some awful QBs the last decade. Drew Bledsoe's short lived stint here was the franchise's most stable period at the most important position. So of the remainding claimants to the throne... Which was the best of a bad lot? Which was the worst of a rotten batch? Whoa! Not so fast, bud. Why does Bledsoe get a pass? He cost us a 1st round pick that was sent to our division rival Pats, and he could never beat them. Sure, when you talk about lack of injuries you could say he was dependable. But maybe we weren't watching the same Bledsoe. The Bledsoe I saw had an amazing first half of the season when he was with us his first season (which he also had his first year w/Dallas), throwing bombs and lighting up defenses with Peerless Price and Eric Moulds. But opposing teams got smarter and better, and that steam started to run out after midseason. We couldn't run very well, and our defense could not stop anyone. We were constantly in shoot-outs. As our defense improved, Bledsoe was exposed for grandpa in the pocket...he had lead feet. If there was a pass rush, he was going down. He also had that tendency Buffalo QB's have had this past decade (Fitz excluded)- which must be a Modrak requirement- of staring down your receiver until you release the ball. Bledsoe, JP, Trent, even SJ were all excellent at this! Oh, and I think JP learned how to hold onto the ball too long from Bledsoe himself, because they both were masters of that craft. Then, you have the amazingly ill-timed turnovers Bledsoe was constantly responsible for. The play that most stands out to me, is a home game against the Pats, the score is something like 14-14, we drive all the way down to near the goalline as time is winding down. We score, and we probably win. What happened? Bruschi busts the blocking, sacks Bledsoe, and he FREAKIN' FUMBLES THE BALL!! Bledsoe was easily as good as JP with throwing the terrible INT, or fumbling the ball that would go to the opponent when we were just starting to build some momentum. My summary of Bledsoe: good enough to HELP you win, but without a strong supporting cast he was bad enough to COST you the game. Edited February 27, 2011 by Red
/dev/null Posted February 27, 2011 Author Posted February 27, 2011 Whoa! Not so fast, bud. Why does Bledsoe get a pass? He cost us a 1st round pick that was sent to our division rival Pats, and he could never beat them. Sure, when you talk about lack of injuries you could say he was dependable. But maybe we weren't watching the same Bledsoe. Never said I was giving Bledsoe a pass. But looking back on the previous decade, those 3 seasons were the most stable QB play of the decade. And in regards to the bolded part, Bledsoe was the last Bills QB to beat the Patriots*...in 2003
Peace Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Whoa! Not so fast, bud. Why does Bledsoe get a pass? He cost us a 1st round pick that was sent to our division rival Pats, and he could never beat them. Sure, when you talk about lack of injuries you could say he was dependable. But maybe we weren't watching the same Bledsoe. The Bledsoe I saw had an amazing first half of the season when he was with us his first season (which he also had his first year w/Dallas), throwing bombs and lighting up defenses with Peerless Price and Eric Moulds. But opposing teams got smarter and better, and that steam started to run out after midseason. We couldn't run very well, and our defense could not stop anyone. We were constantly in shoot-outs. As our defense improved, Bledsoe was exposed for grandpa in the pocket...he had lead feet. If there was a pass rush, he was going down. He also had that tendency Buffalo QB's have had this past decade (Fitz excluded)- which must be a Modrak requirement- of staring down your receiver until you release the ball. Bledsoe, JP, Trent, even SJ were all excellent at this! Oh, and I think JP learned how to hold onto the ball too long from Bledsoe himself, because they both were masters of that craft. Then, you have the amazingly ill-timed turnovers Bledsoe was constantly responsible for. The play that most stands out to me, is a home game against the Pats, the score is something like 14-14, we drive all the way down to near the goalline as time is winding down. We score, and we probably win. What happened? Bruschi busts the blocking, sacks Bledsoe, and he FREAKIN' FUMBLES THE BALL!! Bledsoe was easily as good as JP with throwing the terrible INT, or fumbling the ball that would go to the opponent when we were just starting to build some momentum. My summary of Bledsoe: good enough to HELP you win, but without a strong supporting cast he was bad enough to COST you the game. Bledsoe holds the best single yardage passing season by a Bills QB--by a wide margin. Say what you want about how disappointing he was as a Bills QB, but he was not in the same zip code of bad as RJ, Trent, and Losman. If I had to pick one and the only way you'd make me is with a gun to my head, I'd pick Rob Johnson. He was talented enough that other teams actually wanted him once he left here.
Red Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Never said I was giving Bledsoe a pass. But looking back on the previous decade, those 3 seasons were the most stable QB play of the decade. And in regards to the bolded part, Bledsoe was the last Bills QB to beat the Patriots*...in 2003 Which goes back to my last paragraph, Bledsoe was good enough to help you win, but if left to his own, he would find a way to cost you the game. Bledsoe did not beat the Patriots. The BILLS beat the Patriots. Any game where Bledsoe was tasked with leading, or where the pressure would be on him to win, he found a way to turn the ball over and lose it. Bledsoe holds the best single yardage passing season by a Bills QB--by a wide margin. Say what you want about how disappointing he was as a Bills QB, but he was not in the same zip code of bad as RJ, Trent, and Losman. If I had to pick one and the only way you'd make me is with a gun to my head, I'd pick Rob Johnson. He was talented enough that other teams actually wanted him once he left here. Yeah, and how many Super Bowls did Bledsoe win with all of those passing yards? How many playoff games? Stats are meaningless, amigo.
Thisistheyear Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 RJ suffered from deer in the headlights syndrome. He'd drop back to pass and the slightest pass rush would freeze him. I was team RJ in the dumbest qb controversy of all time, but we all make mistakes. Trent, I'm convinced, developed anxiety after the first concussion (adrian wilson?). Even when given time he'd end up hitting his checkdown. It was almost as though he developed tunnel vision, a common effect of stress and anxiety, and had trouble seeing downfield. JP was guilty of being an egomanaical douche. I had the displeasure of having a mutual friend and was forced to hang out with him on occasion. He was rude to people, disparaging of his teammates and ridiculously entitled. Plus, he talked like a girl. Leaders of men should have authoritative voices. Despite his douchery, of the three, JP was the one who could have been a passable (no pun intended) nfl qb given a decent situation. He probably would have thrived in a chan gailey offense.
Rico Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 The Bills have had some awful QBs the last decade. Drew Bledsoe's short lived stint here was the franchise's most stable period at the most important position. So of the remainding claimants to the throne... Which was the best of a bad lot? Which was the worst of a rotten batch? Still Bledsoe. The first 8 games of 2002 do NOT excuse the wretched final 2-1/2 years, especially his last game against the Steelers' 3rd-stringers. The other 3 did suck, but none were close to being as big of a disgrace.
Rico Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Rob Johnson was the best of the bunch... No doubt the Bills would've beat the Steelers in 2004 if RJ was the QB.
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