major Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/24/unsealed-documents-show-league-added-lockout-insurance-to-2009-tv-contract-extensions/ This is just more proof to me that there will be no NFL next season. However, if the judge rules in favor of the players' union, then it gets real interesting.
MyHorseAteTheKid Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 I love football, but it's hard to get upset when millionaires are squabbling with millionaires.. The fans should have taken lock out insurance!!!
boyst Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 This is amazing and I cannot wait to see the NFLPA cry about this. They had the same opportunity to do this type of action for their players. The players themself had this option. I think it there will be a season next year. I think we will start to hear murmors about it in the coming days if it is going to happen by the 4th. Maybe I am a cruel person, but I would love to see the NFL be a contract for employment position. No benefits from anyone, no retirement, anything. You get your own insurance, you get your own retirement plans, everything. Of course, I will be flamed for that because it is just not fair for NFL players. They cannot afford that, right? Odd, I know plenty of contractors and skilled tradesmen making it on less then $80,000.
Spiderweb Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 This is amazing and I cannot wait to see the NFLPA cry about this. They had the same opportunity to do this type of action for their players. The players themself had this option. I think it there will be a season next year. I think we will start to hear murmors about it in the coming days if it is going to happen by the 4th. Maybe I am a cruel person, but I would love to see the NFL be a contract for employment position. No benefits from anyone, no retirement, anything. You get your own insurance, you get your own retirement plans, everything. Of course, I will be flamed for that because it is just not fair for NFL players. They cannot afford that, right? Odd, I know plenty of contractors and skilled tradesmen making it on less then $80,000. A bit shortsighted, or maybe you are a cruel person. I would ask then how would this type of arrangement effect those already retired from the game, with their physical well being already in serious jeopardy? Let not forget their contributions to building the game into what we see today, and their lack of having been recipients of a pay scale system today that might be to afford your premise, without getting into additional flaws in your premise. I must admit a bias against a system that's a throw back to a day when no one cared about anyone else but themselves. That's a dangerous system bound to fail as we are seeing around the world today, and throughout the history of mankind.
boyst Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 A bit shortsighted, or maybe you are a cruel person. I would ask then how would this type of arrangement effect those already retired from the game, with their physical well being already in serious jeopardy? Let not forget their contributions to building the game into what we see today, and their lack of having been recipients of a pay scale system today that might be to afford your premise, without getting into additional flaws in your premise. I must admit a bias against a system that's a throw back to a day when no one cared about anyone else but themselves. That's a dangerous system bound to fail as we are seeing around the world today, and throughout the history of mankind. I have thought about this surprisingly quit a bit. And this is where people will blast me because it makes no sense. Each NFL player is a contract employee and must support money for himself - for life. Either save and retire to the house in the hills, or when you're done with football go find a job. The idea that no one would like I do not even think is legal, but as the contract employees they would contribute money towards a pool which services the players, directed as a non-prof, which assists in the care of retirees. A date would be set, say, retires who have had more then 4 years of experience before 2009 are eligible. The contribution would be tax deductable - so that offers a great incentive to pay. I do not think you could enforce it, though. The other idea is that if you were to simply restructure the NFL payment system the NFL itself sets aside money from revenues to dedicate towards assisting the players who were the backbone of building the sport. This would be drawn out in a settlement of sorts when disolving the NFLPA, that the NFL would have a contract that promises that $x would be paid out to former players that meet certain requirements. The idea of private contractors is quite easy, self insuring is not hard. I do it. Teams of players or other groups could form together to form business partners for insurance, and other benefits if they chose, but it would not be manditory. There would simply be no control over them. As far as disciplining players, the idea now is that the NFL suspends the player through rules of the NFL which are carried out by the NFL and observed by the NFLPA. As contract employees they do become more vunerable which is why players will have to ensure good contracts that guide how to suspensions should the NFL give one. A major advantage of this is that the guaranteed contracts could be eliminated. The incentives restructured. The smart idea would be that players contracts would be put in to escrow in which interest could be used to fund the non-prof that assists former players. The escrow money is the guaranteed sum, while incentives could be given out on a case by case basis or whatever the owners decide. It could be a $100,000 bonus because Maybin got a sack today, and maybe in his contract would be written that the week he gets a sack he gets that money. An even more interesting option is easily done; a player could be given a 6 week contract, or partial season contract. Of course, this puts a lot of responsibility on the owners to carefully run the finances their team. The players themselves would have to be responsible for what they are doing, as well, just like the rest of the country. There would still be a league maximum and minimum cap figures, and they would be legal because the owners are the ones who must comply. When the playoffs come along the players would be able to structure their contract however they want. Lets say Peyton Manning creates his contract that regular season games pay $1.2 million per game and when he is playing in a playoff game he is paid $1.5 with a Super Bowl paying $2mil. Or, lets say Jahu Caulrick's contract would look something like he is paid $9k a week for 48 weeks, and on Sundays that he is activated is paid $4k for each game he is on the roster. There would be no playoff system for him, obviously, as he would not warrant it, however. The lockouts would be over. The players sitting out training camp could be ended. Sign Haynesworth to a contract that pays by the week. The players who get in trouble would have clauses that stipulate behavior. If Lynch acts in a way which is unbecoming of the team involving a criminal infraction he would be docked $20k. The NFL would not be able to suspend him, nor would the owners. His own contract would suspend him, because in his could contain the stipulation that if he is indicted on any charge he would be benched for 3 games, minus pay. Of course, this brings the point that players pretty much do not care if they miss a few games because they just want paid. When they are not fighting for a competitive contract in the current system we have they would be back to reality and missing a game or two would not matter. Steroids, drugs, etc. would all be contractural situations. The NFL cannot force the contract to contain those types of clauses, technically, but it could by forcing owners to include that. There are a few other issues I have thought of, most of them minor. But, this would be a great structure in my opinon.
PromoTheRobot Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 This is amazing and I cannot wait to see the NFLPA cry about this. They had the same opportunity to do this type of action for their players. The players themself had this option. I think it there will be a season next year. I think we will start to hear murmors about it in the coming days if it is going to happen by the 4th. Maybe I am a cruel person, but I would love to see the NFL be a contract for employment position. No benefits from anyone, no retirement, anything. You get your own insurance, you get your own retirement plans, everything. Of course, I will be flamed for that because it is just not fair for NFL players. They cannot afford that, right? Odd, I know plenty of contractors and skilled tradesmen making it on less then $80,000. I think that is a great idea. Too bad the health insurance biz is rigged to keep most folks from buying individual policies. Why health insurance needs to be different from car insurance I'll never understand. PTR
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