Mr_Blizzard Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I would have a hard time giing him a lot of money. Then again,if he only played 3 games he would be more productive than Maybin and McCargo.
Mr_Blizzard Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I love Sanders but the guy is done. He can't stay healthy and getting older isn't going to help that. IF they let DW walk, I'm fine with Wilson or Scott starting. FA money shouldn't be spend on safties. It needs to be spend on big guys. +1
boyst Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Every other team's best players are simply good players in great systems, whereas the roster of Bills underperformers are superior talents locked in a bad system. That provides endless excuses and is a central scripted theme for many here. It isn't football knowledge with Uncle Rico, it is just following your favorite sport. Some people have hobbies that include kite flying or motorcycles, mine is sports. It is not a scripted theme, obviously you haven't seen the posts I provide critical analysis on a player. Heck, I have even vocalized that Kyle Williams will struggle next year, and was huge on the CJ Spiller pick for not having the goods promised in his college tapes. I'm not to big on our CB's, but I am not convinced if that is an issue with the DL. Our LB corps afflutter and we have a lot to fix. Whitner, however, is far from our weakest link on defense and I am sorry that others cannot see it. The only reason to be down on him is that his asking price, from what people say and we know, is high.
Mr. WEO Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Last time Merriman was 75% was last season, 2009, where he played 14 games and had 4 sacks. And how about the year before that? That's right. Merriman has never played in 16 games in a season. He's also missed a lot of games. Look it up. Ok, looking at those stats, how can anyone think Sanders is better? I guess anyone who has watched both of them play has come to the conclusion that Sanders is better. Can you reference anyone who agrees with your opposing view?
Buffaloed in Pa Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 You contradict yourself sir! DW blows! You state DW is well rounded. How when he can't cover, takes bad angles, whiffs on tackles, and gets trucked by running backs(patriots 2 years ago). But really, you stated well rounded, but HE CAN'T COVER TE FOR SH*T! How is that well rounded? Now GW isn't the greatest, but when he was put on the field he did 1 thing, produce. As far as I'm concerned, the entire team was a liability vs the run. And sure BS can't stay healthy, but i'd still take him over DW! No way BS gets his chest smashed trying to make that tackle against the pats 2 years ago. Lol Its not anything personal with DW. Its just that he really hasn't produced. I don't care if he was picked 8th or 187th. Imoh, he blows! Stay in Philly. What a clueless answer. Yeah one tackle when his shoulder was badly injured. Whitner hits like a truck . Always has.
boyst Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Stay in Philly. What a clueless answer. Yeah one tackle when his shoulder was badly injured. Whitner hits like a truck . Always has. forgot to mention, 230# RB with 10+ yards of steam coming at defender adjusting to get in his way...obviously someone has never had tackling drills. It was hard enough for most of us in high school, I cannot imagine what it would be like with an NFL player.
bbb Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 You contradict yourself sir! DW blows! You state DW is well rounded. How when he can't cover, takes bad angles, whiffs on tackles, and gets trucked by running backs(patriots 2 years ago). But really, you stated well rounded, but HE CAN'T COVER TE FOR SH*T! How is that well rounded? That sounds pretty well rounded to me. You even said he blows at every single thing he does.
Buffaloed in Pa Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 forgot to mention, 230# RB with 10+ yards of steam coming at defender adjusting to get in his way...obviously someone has never had tackling drills. It was hard enough for most of us in high school, I cannot imagine what it would be like with an NFL player. You got it. Then throw in a seperated shoulder. 140 tackles this year hmnnn. Must have been hitting someone.
hooper Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Lil'donte= former twitter champ Bob Sanders= former nfl D champ nuff said
JohnC Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) Look it up. What is the web site you refer to that has a reservoir of NFL data? I would like to store it in my favorites category. You mentioned it before but I didn't record it. Edited February 23, 2011 by JohnC
JohnC Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) I guess anyone who has watched both of them play has come to the conclusion that Sanders is better. Can you reference anyone who agrees with your opposing view? I don't want to be argumentive but I agree with Dr. Dank. There is no doubt that Sanders is a more dynamic player who seems to always be on the ball. The concern I have with him is that he's an undersized player who plays with a reckless abandon. He is constantly in the middle of the action (including running plays) with a crash and burn style. The problem is that in his self-induced collisions he is the player being mangled. If I had a choice between both of the players at a reasonable price I would take Whitner who has proven to be fairly durable. I consider Whitner to be in the solid (above average) category. Which is much lower than his inflated view of himself. Edited February 23, 2011 by JohnC
hammie65 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Depends on the price, the way the contract is structured and does or doesn't pay out if he produces (incentives) or doesn't because of injury or whatever, and whether Whitner is demanding too much $$. If Whitner is, re-sign Wilson (who deserves it) and get other players. Impact players are needed and worth somewhat of a gamble, just make sure it is as minimal as can be negotiated before signing them. These moves can also free up the Bills to concentrate on other areas for using this years draft picks. Then if the players don't work out, address it later on.
bowery4 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I like that they are looking st him, it didn't say they signed him. They have to deal with Whitner's and Wilson's agents and if nothing else showing those guys that their clients are expendable is a good strategy. Personally I think Sanders was great but willing to die does tend to get you injured. If they sign him I am hoping there is more in terms of depth and he is semi situational. As far as a contract I would look for them to give him a Merriman type deal, in other words pretty big but with ladders. I have a feeling that this year Mcgee moves to free safety and we draft a certain CB with #3, I am also looking for Wilson to come back as he is decent and probably not that expensive. At this point I am wondering if theree is going to be a season though.
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Sanders is not the much different then Whitner. Neither are intuitive players So, you're not Tony Dungy apparently. like Wilson can be. What Sanders is good at is what Whitner is good at, too. Sanders, in his prime was better then Whitner and no one can say, with certainty, that he still is. Both Whitner and Sanders use athleticism to make plays on the field. That is it. Where Byrd found the location to be on the field naturally, and Wilson has the strenght, too; both Sanders and Whitner do not put themselves in location. They get themselves in location. A SS having as many INT's as Sanders did earlier is insane and is nothing more then a result of the Tampa2. Are you joking? http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6803/career When you have a capable LB who can drop in to coverage to let the SS play straight on the pass then you get Sanders. A very good SS, but a product of the system he played. This means next to zilch as far as your argument because Whitner and Sanders both played in the Tampa-2 at the same position. Sanders has played in 48 games in his career (according to NFL.com) and Whitner played 43 games at SS in his first 3 years. Since then, Whitner got kicked out to FS and then played in a lousy 3-4 hybrid last year where he accumulated a big number of tackles behind a front 7 that was constantly bleeding to death. Sanders won NFL Defensive Player of the Year honors at the position in 2007. So in roughly the same number of games in the same position in the same defensive system, how can you say one is the product of the system and the other brought the same thing to the field? Maybe a better comparison would be Sanders to Merriman? They've each had about as much success since 2007.
Mr. WEO Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 What is the web site you refer to that has a reservoir of NFL data? I would like to store it in my favorites category. You mentioned it before but I didn't record it. profootballreference.com is a good one--put it in your favorites for sure! Or simply NFL.com stats. I don't want to be argumentive but I agree with Dr. Dank. There is no doubt that Sanders is a more dynamic player who seems to always be on the ball. The concern I have with him is that he's an undersized player who plays with a reckless abandon. He is constantly in the middle of the action (including running plays) with a crash and burn style. The problem is that in his self-induced collisions he is the player being mangled. If I had a choice between both of the players at a reasonable price I would take Whitner who has proven to be fairly durable. I consider Whitner to be in the solid (above average) category. Which is much lower than his inflated view of himself. My original point wasn't Sanders vs. Whitner--it was the fact that posters were overjoyed to pick up mild head-case and chronically injured Merriman yet are howling at the thought of picking up Snader. Anyway, if ou agree with Dr. Dank that, by comparing stats, no one should think Sanders is better than Whitner (That was his claim that you are agreeing with, I assume)...well, you are certainly entitled to share that opinion. I think I'm with the majority who disagree--I would go further in assuming most people who watch a lot of football wouldn't even consider such a comparison, even if they knew who Whitner was. As for preferring Whitner because he is more durable--I guess that's something to consider. But a clean jersey guy (especially at safety) really doesn't have much value, as far as I can see, other than to fill a spot on the field. Also, Sanders is no waif--he's 207 pounds packed into 5' 8", just 2 inches shorter and same weight as Polumalu. That's a fire plug.
JohnC Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 profootballreference.com is a good one--put it in your favorites for sure! Or simply NFL.com stats. Thank you very much for the info. As for preferring Whitner because he is more durable--I guess that's something to consider. But a clean jersey guy (especially at safety) really doesn't have much value, as far as I can see, other than to fill a spot on the field. Also, Sanders is no waif--he's 207 pounds packed into 5' 8", just 2 inches shorter and same weight as Polumalu. That's a fire plug. You might have misread my post on Sanders. I acknowledged that Sanders was better than Whitner. I called him a dynamic player. The problem with him is that he is more often than not hurt. As I noted his crashing style of play, certainly not finesse, is a factor. You may consider him to be a fire plug, but a fire plug out of commission is not very useful when it comes to putting out a fire.
frogger Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 He'll end up in new England, his career will rebound and we'll be angry we didn't sign him...not that it was really an option.
CardinalScotts Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I would sign the guy, it's at a position we have depth. Maybe there is a way to protect him a little- playing 60% of the snaps etc. Your playing tackle football guys get hurt- heck Joe Montana in 14 years only played all 16 twice and he was rarely touched.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) profootballreference.com is a good one--put it in your favorites for sure! Or simply NFL.com stats. My original point wasn't Sanders vs. Whitner--it was the fact that posters were overjoyed to pick up mild head-case and chronically injured Merriman yet are howling at the thought of picking up Snader. Anyway, if ou agree with Dr. Dank that, by comparing stats, no one should think Sanders is better than Whitner (That was his claim that you are agreeing with, I assume)...well, you are certainly entitled to share that opinion. I think I'm with the majority who disagree--I would go further in assuming most people who watch a lot of football wouldn't even consider such a comparison, even if they knew who Whitner was. As for preferring Whitner because he is more durable--I guess that's something to consider. But a clean jersey guy (especially at safety) really doesn't have much value, as far as I can see, other than to fill a spot on the field. Also, Sanders is no waif--he's 207 pounds packed into 5' 8", just 2 inches shorter and same weight as Polumalu. That's a fire plug. Thank you very much for the info. You might have misread my post on Sanders. I acknowledged that Sanders was better than Whitner. I called him a dynamic player. The problem with him is that he is more often than not hurt. As I noted his crashing style of play, certainly not finesse, is a factor. You may consider him to be a fire plug, but a fire plug out of commission is not very useful when it comes to putting out a fire. WEO, the bolded is basically my argument too. I fully agree that if they had the same amount of playing time, Sanders would have much better numbers than Whitner because he would be the much better player. HOWEVER, when you put the "if"s aside and deal with reality, what you have in Sanders is a guy who has played in LESS THAN HALF of the games in his career. What good is having the "better" player when he's never on the field? How good can Sanders be from the bench? How does that help improve the team? Do the Bills really need another guy on IR? If you rate Sanders a 90 when healthy, and Whitner an 80, doesnt having an 80 on the field for all 16 games sound better than a 90 for 2 games (and then having to hope his backup plays well)? Edited February 23, 2011 by DrDankenstein
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