plenzmd1 Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 So, seems like the Fins not so happy with ole Richie. For all the grief this board gave Buddy over letting him go, maybe he is smarter than some give him credit? Richie Incognito/C-G – The veteran interior offensive lineman started all 16 regular-season games last season, but because he did not play at a high level, he’s not expected to be re-signed by the team. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/afc-east-offseason-free-agency-breakdown-021411
DrDawkinstein Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 There has to be an interesting story surrounding this guy. Could he be that much a dick all of the time that people just cant stand him? He isnt THAT bad of a player. He's not great, but there are certainly many other players who are worse... Strange. Wonder what the "inside word" is on him.
Captain Hindsight Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 There has to be an interesting story surrounding this guy. Could he be that much a dick all of the time that people just cant stand him? He isnt THAT bad of a player. He's not great, but there are certainly many other players who are worse... Strange. Wonder what the "inside word" is on him. Hes Difficult to deal with. It cost him a job in St. Louis, Buffalo and now Miami Did anyone miss him once we saw Urbrik in action?
BADOLBILZ Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 So, seems like the Fins not so happy with ole Richie. For all the grief this board gave Buddy over letting him go, maybe he is smarter than some give him credit? Richie Incognito/C-G – The veteran interior offensive lineman started all 16 regular-season games last season, but because he did not play at a high level, he’s not expected to be re-signed by the team. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/afc-east-offseason-free-agency-breakdown-021411 The bar for acceptable OL play is set a bit higher in Miami. Sparano was an OL coach for Parcells and they drafted a LT #1 overall 3 years ago. I think it's a bit of a reach to suggest that Nix is a shrewd judge of OL talent because he didn't re-sign a player who a better team wasn't satisfied with. After all, Nix is the guy who signed Cornell Green to start at RT. Can you imagine anyone else in the AFC East doing that? Me neither. He also let Jonathon Scott walk and the guy ended up starting for the AFC Champions. Not trying to dog Nix, but at best the jury is still out on his decision making.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 The bar for acceptable OL play is set a bit higher in Miami. Sparano was an OL coach for Parcells and they drafted a LT #1 overall 3 years ago. I think it's a bit of a reach to suggest that Nix is a shrewd judge of OL talent because he didn't re-sign a player who a better team wasn't satisfied with. After all, Nix is the guy who signed Cornell Green to start at RT. Can you imagine anyone else in the AFC East doing that? Me neither. He also let Jonathon Scott walk and the guy ended up starting for the AFC Champions. Not trying to dog Nix, but at best the jury is still out on his decision making. I agree with everything except for that last paragraph. Scott did not "start" for any other reason than the Steelers were decimated by injuries and Scott was the last OT on the team. When he got injured during a playoff game, they had to put a backup Center on the field for a series. He was a major liability out there and did not play any better than he did here. He just had more talent around him to make up for his weakness.
tennesseeboy Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 Our offensive line was pathetic. We could have kept Incognito, signed F. Adams, traded for others, or drafted to take care of busines. We didn't. I'm not saying Incognito or Adams were pro-bowl caliber, but they would have been a valuable addition to the team and pretty much a no-brainer. We finished with a worse record than we had the year before and no remedy for our offensive line woes going into the future. The jury may be out...but deliberations are coming to a head and I'm not sure Nix and Chan are going to like the verdict.
OldTimer1960 Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 The bar for acceptable OL play is set a bit higher in Miami. Sparano was an OL coach for Parcells and they drafted a LT #1 overall 3 years ago. I think it's a bit of a reach to suggest that Nix is a shrewd judge of OL talent because he didn't re-sign a player who a better team wasn't satisfied with. After all, Nix is the guy who signed Cornell Green to start at RT. Can you imagine anyone else in the AFC East doing that? Me neither. He also let Jonathon Scott walk and the guy ended up starting for the AFC Champions. Not trying to dog Nix, but at best the jury is still out on his decision making. I am not commenting necessarily on Nix's talent judgement (though he has been in the league a long time). Perhaps Jonathan Scott could fill the job in Pittsburgh because there was better talent around him to make up for his short-comings? I also think that Scott was starting as an injury fill-in. Cornell Green absolutely was not a great pickup, but I am pretty sure that they were hoping to get a year as a stop-gap not a long-term starter out of the 34 yo journeyman. That didn't work out very well, but when trying to build from the ground up, you can't fix every problem over night.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 Our offensive line was pathetic. We could have kept Incognito, signed F. Adams, traded for others, or drafted to take care of busines. We didn't. I'm not saying Incognito or Adams were pro-bowl caliber, but they would have been a valuable addition to the team and pretty much a no-brainer. We finished with a worse record than we had the year before and no remedy for our offensive line woes going into the future. The jury may be out...but deliberations are coming to a head and I'm not sure Nix and Chan are going to like the verdict. F Adams would have been no better than the Green signing. He struggled to see the field on a Steelers team that was down to Jonathan Scott as their starter. As far as Incognito goes, we're pretty much stacked at interior talent. Need some help on the edges. And again, Adams would not have been the answer there.
spartacus Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 - I am not commenting necessarily on Nix's talent judgement (though he has been in the league a long time). Perhaps Jonathan Scott could fill the job in Pittsburgh because there was better talent around him to make up for his short-comings? I also think that Scott was starting as an injury fill-in. Cornell Green absolutely was not a great pickup, but I am pretty sure that they were hoping to get a year as a stop-gap not a long-term starter out of the 34 yo journeyman. That didn't work out very well, but when trying to build from the ground up, you can't fix every problem over night. "when trying to build from the ground up, you can't fix every problem over night" Which is the point Both Scott and Incognito were restricted free agents whom the Bills had contractual control over. why create more holes when you don't have to They should have kept both until it was proven on the field that their replacements were better. Finding Urbick on the street mid-way thru the season highlights the fact that the Bills did nothing to replace either on the roster with upgrades to enter the season. Whoever at OBD that thought Cornell Green was an upgrade should have been fired long ago.
CardinalScotts Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 The bar for acceptable OL play is set a bit higher in Miami. Sparano was an OL coach for Parcells and they drafted a LT #1 overall 3 years ago. I think it's a bit of a reach to suggest that Nix is a shrewd judge of OL talent because he didn't re-sign a player who a better team wasn't satisfied with. After all, Nix is the guy who signed Cornell Green to start at RT. Can you imagine anyone else in the AFC East doing that? Me neither. He also let Jonathon Scott walk and the guy ended up starting for the AFC Champions. Not trying to dog Nix, but at best the jury is still out on his decision making. the Cornell Green reach was understandable at the time, but they guy just hit the wall. Jonathon Scott stunk and the Steelers first couople moves will be replacing both Scott and Flozell Adams. He did start for Pittsburgh and they did make the super bowl, but is similiar to the San Francisco Giants picking up Mike Fontenot and the former Cub then goes on to win the world series.
Lofton80 Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 Jonathon Scott did ok as a run blocker for Pittsburgh. They run a lot so it did not expose his off balance pass blocking. He was hardly horrible in the games I saw. Certainly better than Cornell Green.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 Incognito sucked for us and he sucked for Miami. The guy is immobile lunges for his blocks and loses his base. He's a stiff athlete with bad feet. He's an average player at best. Jonathan Scott is a tough ornery player with limited skills. I was surprised the Bills didn't re-sign him. He competed hard for us and played with toughness. Flozell Adams lent some much needed experience and leadership to the Steelers O-line. He used to be a great player and because of the epidemic of O-line injuries in Pittsburgh, including starting tackle Willie Colon, signing Adams made a lot of sense for Pittsburgh as they are still in their Super Bowl window. On the downside, Adams I think is the most penalized O-lineman over the course of his career. He is infamous for his holding penalties. I'm glad the Bills didn't sign him. The Cornell Green signing didn't make much sense to me but that doesn't mean that signing Adams made any more sense. The Bills are rebuilding. I didn't see the use in signing marginal veterans on the downside of their careers.
silvermike Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 Incognito isn't much better than Hangartener. He's a journeyman, replacement-level interior lineman. Scott is worse than that.
John from Riverside Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 Hes Difficult to deal with. It cost him a job in St. Louis, Buffalo and now Miami Did anyone miss him once we saw Urbrik in action? Im telling you Urbik is a player.....the only problem areas we have on the team are at RT (and that might be debatable depending on how well Pears plays) and a utility O linemen that can play multiple positions (which we might have in Hangarter) Bell - LT Levitre - LG Wood - C Urbik - RT ????? - RT (Pears, Ryan Harris? Draft pick?) Back ups - Hangarter, Wang
silvermike Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 Im telling you Urbik is a player.....the only problem areas we have on the team are at RT (and that might be debatable depending on how well Pears plays) and a utility O linemen that can play multiple positions (which we might have in Hangarter) Bell - LT Levitre - LG Wood - C Urbik - RT ????? - RT (Pears, Ryan Harris? Draft pick?) Back ups - Hangarter, Wang Ryan Harris, draft pick, or Tyson CLabo, please. I don't want to go into the year starting Erik freaking Pears.
Red Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 The bar for acceptable OL play is set a bit higher in Miami. Sparano was an OL coach for Parcells and they drafted a LT #1 overall 3 years ago. I think it's a bit of a reach to suggest that Nix is a shrewd judge of OL talent because he didn't re-sign a player who a better team wasn't satisfied with. After all, Nix is the guy who signed Cornell Green to start at RT. Can you imagine anyone else in the AFC East doing that? Me neither. He also let Jonathon Scott walk and the guy ended up starting for the AFC Champions. Not trying to dog Nix, but at best the jury is still out on his decision making. I watched a few Dolphin games, and Incognito did not get blown up, pushed back, and he seemed atleast servicable in run blocking. There's got to be something else at work here. That's somewhat of a surprise. Jonathan Scott need no fanfare. He barely held his own, had help most of the time, and only saw the field because of the incredible string of injuries to the Pittsburgh tackles. True, he has played in a Super Bowl, but that is more because of his teammates that because of anything that he put together. Next you'll be asking for the return of Langston Walker.
spartacus Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 I watched a few Dolphin games, and Incognito did not get blown up, pushed back, and he seemed atleast servicable in run blocking. There's got to be something else at work here. That's somewhat of a surprise. Jonathan Scott need no fanfare. He barely held his own, had help most of the time, and only saw the field because of the incredible string of injuries to the Pittsburgh tackles. True, he has played in a Super Bowl, but that is more because of his teammates that because of anything that he put together. Next you'll be asking for the return of Langston Walker. It was also idiotic to cut Walker when they did, again with no replacement or backup plan on the roster. As bad as people ragged on him, he is still the best thing the Bills have put on the right side in the last 5 years. They had already blown the big bucks on him - but everyone but the brain trust knew he would bust at LT
FLFan Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) The bar for acceptable OL play is set a bit higher in Miami. Sparano was an OL coach for Parcells and they drafted a LT #1 overall 3 years ago. I think it's a bit of a reach to suggest that Nix is a shrewd judge of OL talent because he didn't re-sign a player who a better team wasn't satisfied with. After all, Nix is the guy who signed Cornell Green to start at RT. Can you imagine anyone else in the AFC East doing that? Me neither. He also let Jonathon Scott walk and the guy ended up starting for the AFC Champions. Not trying to dog Nix, but at best the jury is still out on his decision making. You do not need to be a shrewd judge of talent to see that Incognito is average at best, and probably not even that. As for the "better team" who was not satisfied with him, Buffalo outrushed Miami last year, 1720 to 1643 yards and had better yards per carry at 4.3 vs. 3.7. They also gave up fewer sacks, (34 vs 38) and Buffalo outscored Miami as well. Miami had a much better defense than Buffalo, accounting for the few more games they were able to win, but lets not get carried away with Miami's offensive line under the "great" Sparano. Perhaps Richie was actually part of the problem with their subpar line? Edited February 21, 2011 by MDFan
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 It was also idiotic to cut Walker when they did, again with no replacement or backup plan on the roster. As bad as people ragged on him, he is still the best thing the Bills have put on the right side in the last 5 years. They had already blown the big bucks on him - but everyone but the brain trust knew he would bust at LT I think we can all agree on one thing. The Bills did not make a maximum effort (not even close) to improve the O-line prior to the 2010 season. Let's hope they take a different approach this year.
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