Buddy Nix...(the old fox)

[JohnC]

Fixed.

 

Our bizaare owner thinks Modrak has done a superb and deserves to be retained. How do you overcome insanity? It's funny, but if the owner interferes in the draft and demands the drafting of Newton, I will not condemn him-I will salute him.

Edited February 13, 2011 by JohnC

[NeverOutNick]

I've come to the conclusion that Cam Newton will become the first pick in this draft. I was just on a Carolina Panther message board and there's a 62 page thread regarding Newton (and his recent workout) that started only two days ago. That is the kind of "Super Juice" a team that struggles offensively wants with the number one pick. This time last year, Bradford started out as the 10-12th pick until his stock surged and the same thing is going to happen (for differing reasons) with the supremely talented Newton. Once the experts come around and literally start drooling and hyperventilating over him like Trent Dilfer did, the writing's on the wall.

 

The only way I see Newton being drafted by the Bills is if they offer them Fitzpatrick and their 2nd pick to switch the 1st and 3rd picks.

 

It will go...

 

1. Newton/Panthers

2. Peterson/Broncos

3. Green or Fairley/Bills - it all depends on how Nick Fairley checks out maturity-wise or not

 

I would love this scenario... Green is by far the most reliable pick in this draft and Fairley could be Suh-like, so either would be great! No Peterson, QB, or OLB/DE (miller, Quinn, Bowers)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Walter Football isn't really a definitive source. You're confusing draftnicks with GMs.

 

Um, no, not. GMs don't usually come out and give their player rankings and evaluations before the draft. Media pundits do.

Walter was one I could find, Kiper and a bunch of others were all over Clausen last year and some over McCoy.

 

Point is: last year all the media pundits were "on" about how great Clausen and Bradford both were, and even McCoy.

This year, all the media pundits are "on" about how great Gabbert and Mallet and Newton are.

 

I get you that the GMs didn't agree, so with hindsight (and the knowledge of the GM e v a l that it brings) we can say that Bradford was the clear best QB and no one else was close.

 

Now: apply the learnings of last year. How are we more equipped, as fans, to decide whether this year's QB class has a Bradford, or several Bradfords, and if so who is it?

Ya can't tell from the hype or the media rankings.

 

And it's a sure bet that after the GMs vote, IF there is only 1 QB taken high and IF he looks good, everyone will be using the benefit of hindsight and saying there was only one good QB in this year's class.

 

I personally wouldn't be surprised if 4 QBs go in the 1st.

 

I personally would, but that's just me.

[BillsPhan]

Good points re: franchise QBs.-However,many people don't think Newton is that kinda QB.I was more impressed with Vick as a collegian-and they were similar QBs.-And I don't think ELI is a franchise QB.Yes he had a great run in the playoffs that one year.But remember that Giant fans wanted to run him out of town for his first few years.And I think if you polled Giant fans on whether they think he is a 'franchise' QB you may be surprised by the results .

 

Point taken about Eli. However, he led the Giants to perhaps the biggest SB upset win since Joe Willy led the Jets over the Colts in SB 3, and he was also voted SB MVP of that game too. He was not Dilfer or Johnson riding behind his defense, despite the fact the Giants defense did play outstanding that game as well.

 

So I have to rate Eli as a franchise QB, because here in Bills country, winning a SB is after all the ultimate dream.

[BillsPhan]

Let me ask a few questions...Do you really honestly trust this band of of clowns to schlep to the podium in this upcoming draft and choose a viable prospect at any position? Considering they chose Aaron Maybin and CJ Spiller the last 2 drafts, then looking at the history of failed QB's this franchise has tried to acquire since Jim Kelly. What is the constant that has remained the same with the Buffalo Bills since the Jim Kelly days and Bill Polian / John Butler / AJ Smith leaving....total ineptitude at drafting

 

 

 

What is the weakest area of the team? The team is desperate for players who can stop the run, kinda like a priority right? Then you can expect them to ignore DT and LB until the later rounds!

 

Ralph Wilson stated early last season that the bills would draft a QB, and I'm pretty certain that Cam Newton would sell a whole bunch of season tickets for ole ralphie

 

Do you really trust Chan Gailey to coach up Cam Newton? The thing is... I don't trust this offensive guru to properly develop the guy. He already failed at making Trent Edwards better, and spent the entire offseason - preseason trying.... then he outright cuts him....then we saw Brohm fail in his one start.

 

Do you think the O line is fine? The Last I heard from Nix and Gailey about the O line is that they will keep Wood at center, and the line should be fine....maybe fine against bad teams. This team still needs a quality LT-RT and then guard if Wood moves to center. You put a rook QB behind that PoS O line and he will get killed. Fitz made that line look way better then it really is, and even with Fitz as QB they still don't run the ball very well, Fred Jackson can't be expected to continue to make the first 3 tacklers miss on every play.

 

Can Fred Jackson carry a full NFL RB load 200-300+ carries? Even though the team took Spiller in last years draft in the first round, the kid isn't an every down back, plus he can't block. Fred Jackson is great, but he can't be expected to be the full time starter and carry the ball 300 times a season as he is older and will wear down quicker if in that role, besides the guy is a brilliant 3rd down back in pass receiving, blocking, and running. Remind me again why the bills chose Spiller....well nvm. The bills still need a 1st & 2nd down bruising RB to fill the void left by Marshawn Lynch

 

 

Maybe its me, but the more moves this team makes it seems the further away they are.... kinda like one step forward and two steps back. Anyway, the Bills should be in the forefront to draft Andrew Luck with the 1st overall next year

 

 

I will respond to each question:

 

1) Like you, no, I have no blind trust that Nix will send my hope for the best QB available on his board up to the podium as the number 3 pick in the draft.

 

2) Yes, I absolutely expect Gailey to coach up Cam Newton - he did a nice job with the first "Slash" style QB back in the late 90's helping Kordell Stewart take the Steelers deep into the playoffs two consecutive years. Perhaps you don't remember that he was Cowhers' OC before he was hired to coach the Cowboys after the 98' season.

 

3) The weakest area of the Buffalo Bills at this point is their pathetic front 6 (other then Pro Bowl alternate Kyle Williams), on defense. But remember, I believe you must have a franchise type QB to ever win a SB, so this is really a moot point to me.

 

4) Of course I don't think the O-Line if fine. If I'm not mistaken, after that number 3 pick the Bills should use on their next franchise QB, they still have at least 6 more choices early in every round to fill out other positions, don't they? It's like you are thinking I want the Bills to draft 7 QB's or something.

 

5) I don't think the Bills need to draft a running back at all this April. I completely disagree with you on that point. Jackson and Spiller are fine to start with, and then there always seems to be undrafted free agents or kids off other teams' practice squads good enough to be a 3rd RB on the team. Besides, Freddy is not 40 years old yet, and I do actually think he can handle a bigger work load.

 

6) Yeah, the Bills should suck again this year and be in perfect position to draft Andrew Luck next year. Sorry, but that thinking is beyond my logical thought process. People were saying the same thing last year about being able to draft Jake Locker number 1 this year. Believe me, if Luck drops off like Locker did his senior year, most people won't expect him to be the number one pick in next years' draft either.

[thewildrabbit]

I will respond to each question:

 

1) Like you, no, I have no blind trust that Nix will send my hope for the best QB available on his board up to the podium as the number 3 pick in the draft. In actuality, you do have a blind trust that Nix will draft Cam Newton, simply reading your entire post supports that fact. The only trust I have is that the current geriatric legion will make the wrong choice at whomever they choose as past history supports that.

 

2) Yes, I absolutely expect Gaile to coach up Cam Newton - he did a nice job with the first "Slash" style QB back in the late W's helping Cordell Stewart take the Steelers deep into the playoffs two consecutive years. Perhaps you don't remember that he was Coheirs' OX before he was hired to coach the Cowboys after the 98' season. Kordell Stewart only played under Chan Gailey for one year, his first year in 1997 (11-5) his best year was in 2001 under Mike Mularkey (13-3) I would hope that any QB the Bill choose would become better then "slash" as he never did develop enough to properly read NFL defenses. My point is that Gailey failed in his effort to coach up Trent Edwards, even after Perry Fewell identified Fitz as better then Edwards the previous year and benched Edwards. Brian Brohm had a horrid game in his relief of an injured of fitz, so he looks just as bad as he did against Atlanta. 2 out of 3 fails

 

Everyone is gushing about how well Gailey coached up Fitz this past year, look at the teams Fitz played really well against. Most of those teams he had a history against because he played against them before he joined Buffalo. While it was commendable that he played well against both Baltimore and Pittsburgh, I think it was more of Fitz to understand, and read the opposing defense that he had experience playing against, then it was Chan Gailey. The Bills beat the Lions-Browns-Bengals-Dolphins and almost beat the Steelers-Ravens, the reason? Fitz played two years for the Cincinnati Bengals and did pretty well, He learned how to play against those AFC North teams.

 

Having stated that, I would really like to see Fitz remain the starter simply because he has shown he is such a bright guy in that he retained the knowledge he learned playing against those AFC North teams, and did really well against them this year. Which can only mean, given time he should learn how to beat the Patriots and Jets, If given enough supporting cast around him! Meaning that if the offense has a proper ground game to help him, and he isn't forced to run for his life behind a bad O line, Fitz could be the guy to beat the current Bills nemeses in the Jets, and Patriots!

 

3) The weakest area of the Buffalo Bills at this point is their pathetic front 6 (other then Pro Bowl alternate Kyle Williams), on defense. But remember, I believe you must have a franchise type QB to ever win a SB, so this is really a moot point to me. It is certainly not moot to me as I don't yet see a "franchise" QB in this years draft. There is no Sam Bradford in this years draft, there are some decent QB's, just nobody worthy of a top 5 pick from what I've seen so far, I'll reserve further judgment until after the NFL Combine.

 

The weakest area of this current team is the linebacker corps more then the D line IMO, the second weakest area is O line.

 

4) Of course I don't think the O-Line if fine. If I'm not mistaken, after that number 3 pick the Bills should use on their next franchise QB, they still have at least 6 more choices early in every round to fill out other positions, don't they? It's like you are thinking I want the Bills to draft 7 B's or something.

I don't want them wasting the pick on a QB, the team has to many other pressing needs. I have no idea where you get that line of thought from?

 

 

5) I don't think the Bills need to draft a running back at all this April. I completely disagree with you on that point. Jackson and Spiller are fine to start with, and then there always seems to be underacted free agents or kids off other teams' practice squads good enough to be a RD RB on the team. Besides, Freddy is not 40 years old yet, and I do actually think he can handle a bigger work load.

 

Ever watch the NE Patriots and that 3rd down specialist Kevin Faulk, how many years did that guy play for the pats? He was always able to get that impossible 3rd down for them, series after series, year after year. . If the Buffalo Bills were smart, that is exactly the way they would utilize Fred Jackson to prolong his career. The guy has special talents, and running straight into a line of tacklers isn't one of them, not with this current Buffalo Bills O line. I expect if the Bills use Jackson as an every down back this season.... it will be his last. I just don't see the guy taking a pounding that an every down back has to suffer thru, the more they use him like that, the faster they will use him up.

 

Spiller still hasn't leaned how to block properly, so he is a liability every time he is in the backfield and doesn't run the ball. If opposing teams haven't already learned this fact , they soon will. That every time Spiller is on the field he will be getting the ball simply because he can't be counted on in protection schemes.

 

Should the Bills build the O line properly thru free agency, and the draft.... should Spiller develop some blocking skills and learn how to run the ball against NFL defense's. I would much rather see the Bills using Spiller as the every down back, in the Chris Johnson / Jamaal Charles mode

 

 

6) Yeah, the Bills should suck again this year and be in perfect position to draft Andrew Luck next year. Sorry, but that thinking is beyond my logical thought process. People were saying the same thing last year about being able to draft Jake Locker number 1 this year. Believe me, if Luck drops off like Locker did his senior year, most people won't expect him to be the number one pick in next years' draft either.

 

Andrew luck could have a horrible year and still grade out better then Jake Locker, the latter is simply to inaccurate a thrower to be a top ten pick or even a 1st rounder for that matter. "IF" Locker had entered last seasons draft there was talk of him being a first rounder, but then there was talk of Jimmy Clausen being a first rounder also, he went in the second round. Sam Bradford was graded as the #1 overall QB last year, this year, and even grades better then Andrew Luck.

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Look, I would dearly love to jump on the Bills bandwagon and ride it to the playoffs. I just don't that happening with this owner, this FO, this coaching staff.

 

Ralph Wilson is the current Buffalo Bills president, and has his hands in on everything that transpires at OBD. Someone posted that the owner was on the phone an hour everyday to the HC during the regular season, talk about micro managing...The Buffalo Bills need a real president in the mold of Ozzie Newsome of the Ravens, Bill Polian of the Colts, Mark Murphy of the Green Bay Packers. This owner is responsable for the mess this team has been for the last decade, and until he hires someone that know how to run this franchise, it will continue to be a mess.

 

Buddy Nix failed in his first year, in the draft, and in free agents, and in trades, it is almost comical how inept he was last year. I would laugh, but as a Bills fan.... it makes me want to cry.

 

Chan Gailey was able to improve the passing game, one area of the team. The defense, special teams and running game all went downhill under Gailey. Both Nix and Gailey were stating that the Bills "were not that far off" in the beginning of the season. Then after 5 games that tune changed to " its going to take some time'. Going from 4-12 from 6-10 is not an improvement, and yet the team unloaded the "bad" QB & RB. The team drafted a supposed super star RB last year with the 9th overall pick , but he clearly wasn't NFL ready...who's fault was that?

 

 

The one main theme coming from OBD is the lack of talent, and yet the team retained the same people responsible for that lack of talent that has been plaguing the franchise for a decade. Sorry I can't share in the delusional optimism that pervades most Buffalo Bills fans, I see things the way they are.

[BillsPhan]

The one main theme coming from OBD is the lack of talent, and yet the team retained the same people responsible for that lack of talent that has been plaguing the franchise for a decade. Sorry I can't share in the delusional optimism that pervades most Buffalo Bills fans, I see things the way they are.

 

I am trying to make one single point, and that is that the Bills should draft QB at #3. End of story. One single draft choice during the entire 3 day circus the NFL makes out of the draft, now beginning on a Thursday night in prime time at the end of this April. As for all the other problems and needs and lack of talent on the team, I don't care. History has proven that when a franchise hits rock bottom, they go on to a becoming a championship team (Super Bowl winner), after they acquire their franchise QB, and hardly ever before that.

 

How can anyone argue this fact? Let's see, in the past 25 years of Super Bowls, we can point to Hostetller and Rypien who were two of the 3 different QB's to beat the Bills ironically, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson, as the only 4 non-franchise type QB's who played for the winning team in Super Bowls. That's 4 out of 25 winning SB quarterbacks. So I think I would like the Bills to follow the formula that worked 21 out of 25 times, and secure that freakin' great QB before Ralph Wilson dies and we quite possibly lose the Buffalo Bills forever.

 

Joe Flacco has not taken the Ravens to a SB Championship yet, but he sure is doing a great job of working on it, and he was not even a top 10 first round choice at QB. Certainly nobody in Baltimore would be whining right now if the Ravens had taken him number 3 that year. My point? You cannot wait until you have the number one pick the year that obvious number one best player is the QB - but you can use a top 5 pick on the best QB on your board and that kid should be able to grow into your franchise guy!

[JohnC]

So I think I would like the Bills to follow the formula that worked 21 out of 25 times, and secure that freakin' great QB before Ralph Wilson dies and we quite possibly lose the Buffalo Bills forever.

 

Joe Flacco has not taken the Ravens to a SB Championship yet, but he sure is doing a great job of working on it, and he was not even a top 10 first round choice at QB. Certainly nobody in Baltimore would be whining right now if the Ravens had taken him number 3 that year. My point? You cannot wait until you have the number one pick the year that obvious number one best player is the QB - but you can use a top 5 pick on the best QB on your board and that kid should be able to grow into your franchise guy!

 

Well thought out reasoning. The two qbs in this year's SB were first round picks. Most of the qbs in this year's playoffs were first round picks: Manning, Ryan, Sanchez, Vick and Brees was the first pick taken in the second round. In general, the most successful teams have very good starting qbs. As it stands the Bills have a below average starting qb in Fitz.

 

As you and others have noted, when you are in a position to draft a highly rated franchise qb prospect it would be foolish not to take advantage of that situation. Look at the Packers. They had Favre on the roster yet they had the foresight to get his future replacement on the roster years earlier.

 

The irony is that Newton and Gabbert, as it stands, are being rated as upper tier prospects. So if the Bills drafted either one of them they wouldn't be reaching from a talent standpoint.

 

The Bills are years from being a playoff contender. They lack talent on both sides of the ball. Doesn't it make sense to secure the most important position when the opportunity presents itself and then continue the process of bolstering the roster.

 

Detroit with Stafford, Rams with Bradford, Atlanta with Ryan, Jets with Sanchez and Tampa with Freeman were in position or maneuvered to get in position to draft their franchise qb. Ultimately, they acted on it. Now they can move on and address their other needs.

 

Since the retirement of Jim Kelly, almost a generation ago, the Bills haven't had a franchise qb on their roster. Isn't it about time that this lackluster franchise get that most essential position secured?

[thewildrabbit]

I am trying to make one single point, and that is that the Bills should draft QB at #3. End of story. One single draft choice during the entire 3 day circus the NFL makes out of the draft, now beginning on a Thursday night in prime time at the end of this April. As for all the other problems and needs and lack of talent on the team, I don't care. History has proven that when a franchise hits rock bottom, they go on to a becoming a championship team (Super Bowl winner), after they acquire their franchise QB, and hardly ever before that.

 

How can anyone argue this fact? Let's see, in the past 25 years of Super Bowls, we can point to Hostetller and Rypien who were two of the 3 different QB's to beat the Bills ironically, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson, as the only 4 non-franchise type QB's who played for the winning team in Super Bowls. That's 4 out of 25 winning SB quarterbacks. So I think I would like the Bills to follow the formula that worked 21 out of 25 times, and secure that freakin' great QB before Ralph Wilson dies and we quite possibly lose the Buffalo Bills forever.

 

Joe Flacco has not taken the Ravens to a SB Championship yet, but he sure is doing a great job of working on it, and he was not even a top 10 first round choice at QB. Certainly nobody in Baltimore would be whining right now if the Ravens had taken him number 3 that year. My point? You cannot wait until you have the number one pick the year that obvious number one best player is the QB - but you can use a top 5 pick on the best QB on your board and that kid should be able to grow into your franchise guy!

I get the single point...

 

My first point. No offense here... but what you don't get is that last year there was ONE "franchise" QB in last years draft, that was Sam Bradford. There is NO Sam Bradford in this years draft, the ONLY guy with a grade even close to Bradford was Andrew Luck, and he decided to stay in school.

 

QB's for some reason always carry some mystical hype with them, teams submerge themselves into all the hype, and then seduce themselves into believing the guy can be great....when in reality the guy isn't all that great and needs a ton of support to allow him just to become a viable NFL QB.

 

 

I'm glad you brought up Joe Flacco, the guy has some great features, ideal height, powerfully top arm, can make all the throws. But you know what, the Bills had a guy like that, and couldn't protect him, his name was Drew Bledsoe. Yea thats right, Joe Flacco is a very immobile pocket passer who can make every throw, but needs a great O line to protect him. The Ravens posses a great O line, running game, and now a receiver corps, they couldn't get by Pittsburgh in the playoffs because the Steelers have the better QB in Big Ben. The difference between Flacco and Rothlisberger is that big ben has much more mobility and can scramble to by time, he tends to hold the ball longer to make plays like Aaron Rodgers, If Flacco had big Ben's feet things would be very different IMO.

 

Big Ben wasn't a 'franchise" QB when the Steelers selected him, he grew into that role the same way Joe Flacco is trying to grow into that role. What allows those two to develop, and grow into top QB's is their surrounding cast, great O line-great running game-really good coaching. When the Steelers drafted Big Ben they were a power running team under Bill Cowher with a bruising RB in Jerome Bettis, along with a great defense. The Steelers ran more then they threw and that allowed Big ben to manage the game, and learn, while NOT making mistakes.

 

My second point, given the history of draft failures this franchise has endured over the last decade, what makes you think these men can even identify a future franchise QB? With this current staff they are more likely to draft Ryan Leaf then Payton Manning....again I'll point out, there is NO Manning in this years draft.

 

 

Even "IF" they do manage to identify the top QB in the draft, and then manage to draft him, what makes you think he will get capable support to allow him to develop? The Bills do not posses a great running attack to help support that new QB, no TE like Todd Heap or Heath Miller and no depth at TE like the Steelers and Ravens have, no power running attack. The Buffalo Bills O line is still one of the very worst in the league, Fitz was able to make that line look much better then it was. Even then when the Bills played a top team like the Jets, Fitz was running for his life most of the game. He was the top rusher if memory serves.

 

The Buffalo Bills currently have a guy at QB who did a remarkable job last season considering his surrounding supporting cast, they need to improve that supporting cast!

[thewildrabbit]

Well thought out reasoning. The two qbs in this year's SB were first round picks. Most of the qbs in this year's playoffs were first round picks: Manning, Ryan, Sanchez, Vick and Brees was the first pick taken in the second round. In general, the most successful teams have very good starting qbs. As it stands the Bills have a below average starting qb in Fitz.

 

As you and others have noted, when you are in a position to draft a highly rated franchise qb prospect it would be foolish not to take advantage of that situation. Look at the Packers. They had Favre on the roster yet they had the foresight to get his future replacement on the roster years earlier.

 

The irony is that Newton and Gabbert, as it stands, are being rated as upper tier prospects. So if the Bills drafted either one of them they wouldn't be reaching from a talent standpoint.

 

The Bills are years from being a playoff contender. They lack talent on both sides of the ball. Doesn't it make sense to secure the most important position when the opportunity presents itself and then continue the process of bolstering the roster.

 

Detroit with Stafford, Rams with Bradford, Atlanta with Ryan, Jets with Sanchez and Tampa with Freeman were in position or maneuvered to get in position to draft their franchise qb. Ultimately, they acted on it. Now they can move on and address their other needs.

 

Since the retirement of Jim Kelly, almost a generation ago, the Bills haven't had a franchise qb on their roster. Isn't it about time that this lackluster franchise get that most essential position secured?

Like I stated in the above post, there is no Sam Bradford in this years draft. Drafting a QB at #3 when the team has needs in so many other areas, it would be a huge waste of a pick.

 

As it stands, the Bills have a better then average QB in Fitz, who has shown he can do a good job considewring the lack of talent surrounding him. Did you happen to watch Brian Brohm in the Jets game last year when Fitz was out with an injury, that is what a rookie QB would look like every game....How can you want to draft another new QB.... and force him to try and survive on this team?

 

If the Bills draft a QB and don't drastically upgrade the O line and TE position, then he will most certinly turn into another JP Losman -Trent Edwards. JP had an adaquate HC-QB coach in Mike Mularkey, what he didn't have was an adaquate O line, and time to learn, and develop under the same coach. He was handed over to an offensive moron in Jauron who ruined both JP and Edwards.

 

Why draft a QB now and turn him into another David Carr or Joey Harrington, et al?

[The Senator]

Um, no, not. GMs don't usually come out and give their player rankings and evaluations before the draft. Media pundits do.

Walter was one I could find, Kiper and a bunch of others were all over Clausen last year and some over McCoy.

 

Point is: last year all the media pundits were "on" about how great Clausen and Bradford both were, and even McCoy.

This year, all the media pundits are "on" about how great Gabbert and Mallet and Newton are.

 

I get you that the GMs didn't agree, so with hindsight (and the knowledge of the GM e v a l that it brings) we can say that Bradford was the clear best QB and no one else was close.

 

Now: apply the learnings of last year. How are we more equipped, as fans, to decide whether this year's QB class has a Bradford, or several Bradfords, and if so who is it?

Ya can't tell from the hype or the media rankings.

 

And it's a sure bet that after the GMs vote, IF there is only 1 QB taken high and IF he looks good, everyone will be using the benefit of hindsight and saying there was only one good QB in this year's class.

 

 

 

I personally would, but that's just me.

Once you know the folks running most of these so-called ' draftnik ' sites, you'll want to discard almost all they say about anything.

 

They're usually young guys (college students or recent grads/dropouts) who know just enough to start and promote a web site to attract info-starved fanatics, earning them a small fortune in ad revenues based on the number of 'hits' their sites get, but their knowledge of scouting and drafting is no more profound than yours or mine.

 

The jerk than runs WalterFootball is a perfect example...

 

Walter Cherepinsky

 

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[1B4IDie]

Like I stated in the above post, there is no Sam Bradford in this years draft. Drafting a QB at #3 when the team has needs in so many other areas, it would be a huge waste of a pick.

 

As it stands, the Bills have a better then average QB in Fitz, who has shown he can do a good job considewring the lack of talent surrounding him. Did you happen to watch Brian Brohm in the Jets game last year when Fitz was out with an injury, that is what a rookie QB would look like every game....How can you want to draft another new QB.... and force him to try and survive on this team?

 

If the Bills draft a QB and don't drastically upgrade the O line and TE position, then he will most certinly turn into another JP Losman -Trent Edwards. JP had an adaquate HC-QB coach in Mike Mularkey, what he didn't have was an adaquate O line, and time to learn, and develop under the same coach. He was handed over to an offensive moron in Jauron who ruined both JP and Edwards.

 

Why draft a QB now and turn him into another David Carr or Joey Harrington, et al?

Why do you just ignore everyone's posts and ramble on about something that no one wants or is proposing?

 

The Rookie QB would not play in 2011. Maybe week 16-19 but thats about it.

 

So the question you should pose is this "Why draft a QB now and turn him into another Philip Rivers or Aaron Rodger , et al?"

 

The answer is because that is best thing that could possibly happen to the Bills in order to be relevant and competitive for years to come.

 

Please feel free to chim in with the shortsighted response "We need a draft pick that will make an impact now."

Edited February 16, 2011 by Why So Serious?

[JohnC]

Why do you just ignore everyone's posts and ramble on about something that no one wants or is proposing?

 

The Rookie QB would not play in 2011. Maybe week 16-19 but thats about it.

 

So the question you should pose is this "Why draft a QB now and turn him into another Philip Rivers or Aaron Rodger , et al?"

 

The answer is because that is best thing that could possibly happen to the Bills in order to be relevant and competitive for years to come.

 

Please feel free to chim in with the shortsighted response "We need a draft pick that will make an impact now."

 

To buttress your point last year there wasn't one Bills' draft pick that can be categorized as an impactful pick. That doesn't mean that last year's picks won't eventually be good but to expect and require a draftee to make an immediate impact as a condition of picking doesn't make much sense. Spiller was the ninth pick in the draft playing a position that is one of the easiest position to transition to in the pros and he still had his struggles.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Once you know the folks running most of these so-called ' draftnik ' sites, you'll want to discard almost all they say about anything.

 

They're usually young guys (college students or recent grads/dropouts) who know just enough to start and promote a web site to attract info-starved fanatics, earning them a small fortune in ad revenues based on the number of 'hits' their sites get, but their knowledge of scouting and drafting is no more profound than yours or mine.

 

The jerk than runs WalterFootball is a perfect example...

 

Walter Cherepinsky

 

Cherepinsky - Facebook

Did he send a shirtless picture to someone you know or something?

[Astrobot]

Either way Newton is an actual trade up possibility for a teams like Cleveland. San Francisco and Tennessee imo.

No one is going to trade up to #3 for CB or WR.

 

Ken Whisenhunt coached up Big Ben in Pittsburgh and the threat of Cam going to Arizona could make one of those 3 teams move up. With the Palmer talk Arizona might even want to trade up to get passed Cinci.

 

Now we might have some interesting conversation if Nic & Chan don't love Cam themselves.

This is particularly true of this year's draft, which after Peterson (the Revis of this year) is deep with very good corners, and after AJ Green, who is a cut above, is deep with very good WR's.

[AReed Deep For 7]

they openly talked about how much they liked Spiller last year and how they wanted a "waterbug" RB.

Apparently nobody believed them until they raced to the podium and picked him.

Maybe that was all part of their elaborate ruse so that team would really believe they were interested in Newton and be forced to pay a King's ransom for our pick. Or, just maybe, they like Newton and are strongly considering drafting him.

Sounds like the smokescreen is working from reading this (not just you). You can try and read into this a million ways, he contradicts himself in the media. i love this. For those who have seen Get Him to the Greek, he's mind 'ing us right now

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

Does anyone realize thatthe classless Jets only had like 7 picks total in the last 2 drafts combined and completely rebuilt themselves overnight into the AFC Champ games two years in a row. They did it through gutsy signings of class people, yet good players in free agency and through low cost trades. Maybe our "fox" could fill in some of our holes by free aganecy and trades in addition to the draft??? What a thought?

[Bill from NYC]

This is particularly true of this year's draft, which after Peterson (the Revis of this year) is deep with very good corners, and after AJ Green, who is a cut above, is deep with very good WR's.

 

I am glad that you pointed this out. If a team is going to trade up in the first round for a cornerback or a wideout (which is rare under any circumstances), they won't be trading into the top 3.

 

The odds against this are so high I view them as virtually impossible.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

History has proven that when a franchise hits rock bottom, they go on to a becoming a championship team (Super Bowl winner), after they acquire their franchise QB, and hardly ever before that.

How can anyone argue this fact?

 

Dude, it may be a fact, it may not be a fact, but the info you are citing just does not support its elevation into Facthood.

 

I tried to point this out before, if you had a comment about it, I missed it.

 

So let me make it simpler.

 

Most of the teams that have gone to the Superbowl of recent years, are not "Toilet Bowl to Superbowl" turn arounds (GB, Stillers, NE)

Therefore looking at these teams and their QB does not help you argue that drafting a "franchise QB" is the Bills best path from the toilet to the Superbowl.

To argue the success of that strategy, you need to look at teams that were in the toilet (like the Bills are) and show that they actually improved after drafting Mr Franchise.

 

I will offer you three counter-examples: teams which drafted a "franchise QB" or several "franchise QB" and really didn't go anywhere.

1. Houston Texans. Drafted "Franchise QB" David Carr #1 overall in 2002. Proceeded to rack up 5 successive losing seasons before throwing out Carr and bringing in 3rd rounder Matt Schaub.

I suspect the fact that their Dfense were bottom dwellers that whole time has a lot to do with it, maybe that's just me. Point is they kind of wasted their Franchise guy, who is not a bad QB IMO.

2. New England Patriots. Drafted "Franchise QB" Drew Bledsoe #1 overall in 1993. Proceeded to rack up 3 losing seasons, 3 playoff seasons, and 3 "meh" seasons before Mr 6th rd Tom Brady took over.

Again, I suspect that poor coaching and poor defense had a lot to do it, but there's the "fact": the drafting of a franchise QB with that precious high pick helped them improve, but didn't make them consistent winners much less Superbowl winners.

3. Tampa Bay. Steve Young (1984). Testeverde (1st overall, 1987). Trent Dilfer (6th overall, 1994). During the 16 years from 1984 to 2000, Bucs had 2 (two) winning season and 1 break-even.

Essentially, by not focusing on D and on the rest of the O pieces, they managed the stunning feat of wasting not one, not two, but 3 high-draft "franchise QB"

Young is a hall-of-famer, Testeverde took two different teams to the playoffs and 2 PB appearances, and Dilfer had a 13 year career and won a Superbowl - for another team.

 

Please, let's make a deal. Offer me a counter examples of 3 teams which had losing records for >3 years, drafted a "franchise QB" in the first round, and within 3 years went to the Superbowl.

 

Don't just keep coughing up that most of the great Superbowl teams have Franchise QB therefore it is a FACT we must draft a franchise QB this year to build our Superbowl team.

 

You need to look at how the teams in the Superbowl got there.

[jumbalaya]

If they think he'll be gone by 3 won't another team have to trade ahead of 3 to get him? It works in that if he doesn't want Cam, and another team trades ahead of them to take Cam, pushing a player he does want to them at 3. It doesn't really increase the value of his pick.

You are giving Buddy way too much credit for being decptive and trying to steer others toward Cam. It is not like he pulled off a deal and picked up Cornelius Bennett or sat and waited to land Thurman. He has done nothing so far except to draft an unnecessary RB when he had holes on this team that are the size of Peter King's @$$.