John from Riverside Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I smell a trade down....just dont get raped on it Buddy
KOKBILLS Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Great. And with the 7th overall pick in the 2012 NFL Drafts, the Buffalo Bills select *. Right...Because no matter who we pick at #3, as long as it's not Newton or Gabbert, it's going to make us SO much better...Cause we're only a Player or two away from the Playoffs after all... Gailey and Nix have already told us they are picking with an eye to the future...And it's funny how some Bills Fans just choose to ignore those comments...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Mayocks take on Cam's workout: I really didn't need to see the workout, nor do I need to hear about the workout because I can tell you what that workout entails. I've watched five of his game tapes, he's got a classic over-hand delivery, he's got a big arm. You and I in gym shorts at the local high school can throw pretty accurately, so I would guarantee you he would look great in a pair of gym shorts, he would throw with accuracy and arm strength. His mechanics are very good but I would also [offer] one cautionary note, and that is the best pro day for a quarterback I ever attended was JaMarcus Russell(notes). That same day, even though I admitted it was the best pro day I ever saw, I also said I wouldn't take him in the first round. For me, it's not about him throwing in shorts; it's about a lot of other things. A choreographed day like today is fine, but the NFL is not really even allowed to be there so they're looking at the clips, the same that you and I are. They want to see him throw the ball at the Combine with the other quarterbacks, and then they want to see him at the Auburn pro day. And even then, that's really not going to tell the tale because he's going to throw the football beautifully in those controlled environments. To me, there are two issues with this kid. Issue number one is he came out of a shotgun [formation], and if you watch the tape it's basically a very simple offense. One read and either the ball was out or he was out. Can he adapt to, can he process and assimilate a very structured and complex pro offense against a complex pro defense? And secondly, and most importantly, when you get to a certain skill level in the NFL, which this kid certainly has, at the quarterback position what kind of kid is he? Is he going to be the first guy in the building? Is he a gym rat? Is he football smart? Is he a leader of men? All of those things to me are way more important than any workout in shorts. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Newton-s-media-workout-was-more-sizzle-than-stea;_ylt=AqTMI77J1e4QUhkhglS8mjhDubYF?urn=nfl-320101
Ozymandius Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I've said it before but here goes again. I think Cameron Newton is stupid. I think he will probably fail in the NFL. And yet, if the Bills draft him at #3, I won't be upset because of his tremendous upside. I like it when a team is aggressive and goes for the gold instead of the bronze. The Bills are at a point where they have to be careful which set of tracks they want to set their train on. The farthest destination the Ryan Fitzpatrick tracks will go is 10-6 and a wild card birth. Some may disagree but that's how I feel about him. It will be a safe and smooth ride with him, though. The Cameron Newton train tracks has a destination of Super Bowl champion but with a caveat that the train could derail at any point and kill everyone on board. So what do we choose? Personally, I like to live dangerously. Go for the gold.
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I've said it before but here goes again. I think Cameron Newton is stupid. I think he will probably fail in the NFL. And yet, if the Bills draft him at #3, I won't be upset because of his tremendous upside. I like it when a team is aggressive and goes for the gold instead of the bronze. The Bills are at a point where they have to be careful which set of tracks they want to set their train on. The farthest destination the Ryan Fitzpatrick tracks will go is 10-6 and a wild card birth. Some may disagree but that's how I feel about him. It will be a safe and smooth ride with him, though. The Cameron Newton train tracks has a destination of Super Bowl champion but with a caveat that the train could derail at any point and kill everyone on board. So what do we choose? Personally, I like to live dangerously. Go for the gold. You killed the Comedian. ...I just think it's always important not to let that fact go.
Ozymandius Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 You killed the Comedian. ...I just think it's always important not to let that fact go. I think my most memorable evil deed was to sway Dr. Manhattan into vaporizing Rorschach
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I think my most memorable evil deed was to sway Dr. Manhattan into vaporizing Rorschach Ozy, to be honest with you, my first thought was the killing of Rorschach, but I wanted something more direct. Back to the topic: I agree with your points.
djrocks Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) It seems the most glaring need of the Bills is along the D line. IMO. Draft one of the stud DTs or DEs coming out, and solidify the D line for the next ten years or so. Or trade down? some of you guys still dont get it. both Fairly(who i like) and bowers were nobody's last year like maybin. there is great concern that they may also be one year wonders especially bowers. after fairley there is no great player of need for the bills in @ least the top 5 other than CB in peterson and he may also be over rated as a corner due to his return abilities which the bills dont need. like i have been saying this is a horrible year to be in the top 5 due to the total lack of super blue chip prospects and even worse is the fact that none of the positions of need for the bills,DL (except for fairly who will be long gone),OL or LB have any super star quality players worthy of being a top 5 pick. so what do the bills do? you got me but if they like Newton or any of the QB's then taking them @ 3 would not be a reach seeing that after fairley is gone unless you want a CB or a WR we are missing out on nobody. my preference if Nix does not want a QB @ 3 is to trade down to the 5 thru 10 slots and pick up additional picks grab the best defensive player they deem available and then use the additional picks to get back into the later part of the first round to get their QB of the future. believe me anyone who believes Galieys line about liking Fitz is a fool. he may like him for another year @ the most but you can bet your last dollar that he knows his main need is a franchise QB. like pat kirwin said to the buffalo fan who called into his show "did you watch the super bowl ?" "believe me Galiey and Nix know that the bills need a franchise QB and they will get one in this draft if they feel one is there they like even @ 3" Edited February 11, 2011 by djrocks
Bill from NYC Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 some of you guys still dont get it. both Fairly(who i like) and bowers were nobody's last year like maybin. there is great concern that they may also be one year wonders especially bowers. after fairley there is no great player of need for the bills in @ least the top 5 other than CB in peterson and he may also be over rated as a corner due to his return abilities which the bills dont need. like i have been saying this is a horrible year to be in the top 5 due to the total lack of super blue chip prospects and even worse is the fact that none of the positions of need for the bills,DL (except for fairly who will be long gone),OL or LB have any super star quality players worthy of being a top 5 pick. so what do the bills do? you got me but if they like Newton or any of the QB's then taking them @ 3 would not be a reach seeing that after fairley is gone unless you want a CB or a WR we are missing out on nobody. my preference if Nix does not want a QB @ 3 is to trade down to the 5 thru 10 slots and pick up additional picks grab the best defensive player they deem available and then use the additional picks to get back into the later part of the first round to get their QB of the future. believe me anyone who believes Galieys line about liking Fitz is a fool. he may like him for another year @ the most but you can bet your last dollar that he knows his main need is a franchise QB. like pat kirwin said to the buffalo fan who called into his show "did you watch the super bowl ?" "believe me Galiey and Nix know that the bills need a franchise QB and they will get one in this draft if they feel one is there they like even @ 3" Your post makes a ton of sense but as a Bills fan, I cringe at your screen name.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) some of you guys still dont get it. both Fairly(who i like) and bowers were nobody's last year like maybin. there is great concern that they may also be one year wonders especially bowers. after fairley there is no great player of need for the bills in @ least the top 5 other than CB in peterson and he may also be over rated as a corner due to his return abilities which the bills dont need. like i have been saying this is a horrible year to be in the top 5 due to the total lack of super blue chip prospects and even worse is the fact that none of the positions of need for the bills,DL (except for fairly who will be long gone),OL or LB have any super star quality players worthy of being a top 5 pick. =============================================== so what do the bills do? you got me but if they like Newton or any of the QB's then taking them @ 3 would not be a reach seeing that after fairley is gone unless you want a CB or a WR we are missing out on nobody. my preference if Nix does not want a QB @ 3 is to trade down to the 5 thru 10 slots and pick up additional picks grab the best defensive player they deem available and then use the additional picks to get back into the later part of the first round to get their QB of the future. believe me anyone who believes Galieys line about liking Fitz is a fool. he may like him for another year @ the most but you can bet your last dollar that he knows his main need is a franchise QB. like pat kirwin said to the buffalo fan who called into his show "did you watch the super bowl ?" "believe me Galiey and Nix know that the bills need a franchise QB and they will get one in this draft if they feel one is there they like even @ 3" Why do you completely dismiss Dareus? He was solid last year, he had a GREAT year this year and regularly dominated in the toughest Conference in NCAA football. He can play all of the DL positions, and play them well. He would be a great outside DE in the 3-4 and would allow our DLine to look like: [Merriman at Rush OLB] - Williams(Edwards) - Troup(FA/Rookie NT) - Dareus(Carrington) That looks like a pretty solid front, assuming Merriman can stay healthy, which for this discussion I am. Other than that, I completely agree with the rest of your post from the ==== down. Edited February 11, 2011 by DrDankenstein
kansasbillsfan420 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 If u guys think Fitz is the man your crazy. Fitz is a good quality back-up. Cam newton has raw talent and has a chance to be a elite QB in the NFL. I know every Bills fan has been waiting for a good QB for years ever since the great JIM KELLY. I'd rather have Bill's find out instead of another team and have all of us Bill's fan saying DAMN we had a chance to get him.
Mango Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 From Rotoworld: Bills GM Buddy Nix likes Auburn QB Cam Newton "a great deal," according to NFL.com's Vic Carucci. "The Bills might very well be inclined to take him in the No. 3 slot," adds Carucci. "I think QB will be prominently on the Bills' radar." Coach Chan Gailey has publicly supported Ryan Fitzpatrick as the 2011 starter, but he's more of a bridge to the future than a legit solution. ESPN's Trent Dilfer predicted Thursday that Newton wouldn't last past the third pick in the draft. Original NFL Source that means it wont happen. carucci is consistently wrong about all things buffalo. when he says left the bills go right. no to cam at 3!
kansasbillsfan420 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I don't understand that nobody is talking about our kicker LINDEL, how many games has that guy cost us in the past 3 years. I witnessed one last year against KC. I'd rather have a rookie kicker back there instead of the garbage we got now.
larz tex Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 The Bills don't need to hit on their top pick. They don't need to hit on their second pick; they need to hit on a bunch of picks. Three or four would be nice. In the past ten years, it averaged about 1.8, not counting last year. 00-0, 01-0, 02-0, 03-1, 04-1, 05-1. 06-5, 07-1, 08-3, 09-6, and in 2010-8, but it is too early to tell this last draft, and only one impact player is on the roster, Kyle Williams. Come on, Buffalo, find some real players.
Astrobot Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 There is also zero chance that Nix or Gailey or Modrak form ANY kind of binding opinion on ANY player until after the combine, wonderlic, background checks, pro workouts they attend, extensive personal interviews and very likely a visit to One Bills Drive. This, and the fact that making noise about drafting a QB at 3 increases the likelihood of a trade, not only with us, but with Denver.
playman Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 without reading the previous posts: that scenario is exatctly what i was thinking after checking the talk on cams workout on a few sides.......... talk him up so the bills bite....... ototh, last year buddy claimed that other than bradford there was no qb better than already on the roster. and imho that still holds true for this years draft..... so here is hope that despite buddys SEC love and the awards for cam aso hell see that a trade down - with some serious picks thrown into - is the best chance to improve the team LONG TERM but what do i know ^^
San-O Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Right...Because no matter who we pick at #3, as long as it's not Newton or Gabbert, it's going to make us SO much better...Cause we're only a Player or two away from the Playoffs after all... Gailey and Nix have already told us they are picking with an eye to the future...And it's funny how some Bills Fans just choose to ignore those comments... The future. Well the first year of the future they took a 6-10 team and turned it into a 4-12 team. What have these guys shown as so far? Not much. If there isn't a top 5 player they want, then trade down. If they don't get fair value, so what. The Bills have so many holes, they just need Pro level bodies out there. I say start with the D-line which they seem to have screwed up so bad.
Trader Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 From Rotoworld: Bills GM Buddy Nix likes Auburn QB Cam Newton "a great deal," according to NFL.com's Vic Carucci. "The Bills might very well be inclined to take him in the No. 3 slot," adds Carucci. "I think QB will be prominently on the Bills' radar." Coach Chan Gailey has publicly supported Ryan Fitzpatrick as the 2011 starter, but he's more of a bridge to the future than a legit solution. ESPN's Trent Dilfer predicted Thursday that Newton wouldn't last past the third pick in the draft. Original NFL Source I am with Buddy Nix on this and if Newton checks out at the combine and after interviews he will be a top 5 pick. Newton could go overall number one. Does that mean that the Bills should draft him if he is available at 3? Not necessarily, what could they get for the pick? what if someone else wants him bad? Cam Newton's rise up the board is nothing but great news for the Bills. Newton is a supremely gifted football player. He will not have any problem with the physical aspect of the pro transition. Not worried at all about his drops, not worried at all about his throwing motion, Strength or accuracy. Not worried about his leadership either. Newton is such a good athlete that he will learn it all if his is motivated to do so. The only questions on Newton should be: 1. Motivation, will the big bucks spoil him? 2. can he read defenses and react to the speed of the pro game? This is an issue for every QB out of college including Andrew Luck. It is not something you can measure with the wonderlic or any other known test either. 3. Is his coachable? I think his work up through media day has at least partially answered this in the affirmative. If they want Newton they need to spend some time with him. If they are satisfied after that then go do it.
Mr_Blizzard Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Great. And with the 7th overall pick in the 2012 NFL Drafts, the Buffalo Bills select *. Andrew Luck.
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