truth on hold Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Far better starting and backup QBs More physical receivers Far better and more stable coaching DLine that consistently gets penetration and keeps Olinemen off LBs Dominant pass rusher Versatile SS that can rush the pasher, cover WRs and make big play interceptions
billsfreak Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 What's the difference between us and Green Bay? On average about 7-10 wins a year!
tennesseeboy Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Well..in case you hadn't noticed, they drafted Brian Bulaga instead of CJ Spiller. Resulted in a better offensive line...better passing game....better running game....trip to the superbowl.
Mr. WEO Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 Nix IS a heavily praised personnel man, though. And that's why he's our GM. Hopefully our drafting improves under him but I'm afraid he may be oh-for-1 so far on drafts. Hopefully that was just first draft jitters and he starts to rake from now on. And we're spending a ton of money on Whitner, Maybin, Spiller, etc... Link? (other than TSW)
ganesh Posted January 25, 2011 Posted January 25, 2011 a plan and a clue and the luck and ability to select and keep a franchise QB. Both GB and Pittsburgh have done that, while the Bills have wasted 1st round picks on Whitner, McCargo, McGahee, Losman, Lynch, Spiller etc. The Bills failure to draft players in Rd 1 through 4, who have gone on to be stars is a big reason why the Bills are a 4 win team. or who knows what losman is with 3 years behind favre. maybe it teaches him a thing or two, maybe he blows a gasket with the retire, unretire nonsense. maybe favre is still in greenbay. funny how one pick can change the landscape of the nfl. I think it is unfair to compare Losman with Rodgers. Look at the guy in Minnesota who was behind Favre. He sucks like Losman did. Rodgers is an all round much better QB.
Trader Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Re their executives: CEO Mark Murphy (a former NFL DB from Williamsville) and GM Ted Thompson are some of the best in the NFL. Thompson isn't perfect, but he's assembled a team that's lost 14 guys to IR, including several starters, and still performs well. They've been to the playoffs now 3 out of 4 years. Management is the deciding factor in who goes to the playoffs and who doesn't. A good owner, while having a say, allows his GM to do their job. And likewise, the GM lets the HC do theirs. It's why GB and PIT are regularly in the post-season and why Buffalo's meddling ownership with his inner circle never get anywhere. You have it right. It starts at the Top. Who will be in the Superbowl? The Steelers and the Packers, two wonderful organizations. The playoff participants? the Patriots, Ravens, Bears, Falcons, Colts. Excellent classy organizations who make good decisions more often than not. Edited January 26, 2011 by Trader
spartacus Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Say this, when they got rid of a Bob Sanders as their DC, they hired a real 34 DC in Dom Capers who knows his thing defensively despite a poor HC record. so are you saying it was not brilliant to hire a highly paid exclusive 4-3 defensive guy when trying to convert to a 3-4 scheme? However, it is consistent with the arrogance of the Bills in drafting players and immediately having them play different positions than they played in college It has worked out so well for them on the player side.
VADC Bills Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Well..in case you hadn't noticed, they drafted Brian Bulaga instead of CJ Spiller. Resulted in a better offensive line...better passing game....better running game....trip to the superbowl. I'm not conceding that Bulaga was a better pick not yet anyway. Bulaga went through some criticism this year as well. I don't think the success of the Packers lies on Bulaga's shoulders...please. Edited January 26, 2011 by VADC Bills
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 so are you saying it was not brilliant to hire a highly paid exclusive 4-3 defensive guy when trying to convert to a 3-4 scheme? However, it is consistent with the arrogance of the Bills in drafting players and immediately having them play different positions than they played in college It has worked out so well for them on the player side. Aren't you onboard with the moving Maybin to TE concept yet?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 You know the NFL existed before 1980??? and there were these guys named bart starr, forrest gregg (he played before he coached), don hutson(in the same sentence as Jerry Rice as greatest WR of all time), jim ringo, hornung, willie davis, nitshcke.... no to mention some guy named lombardi that played/coached in green bay before Reggie and Farve got there You forgot the one the Bills should go after first Logan Mankins dont forget Don Majkowski... from Depew
Tcali Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Look at the 1st round picks over the last 6 years: Buffalo - Whitner, McCargo, Lynch, McKelvin, Maybin, Wood, Spiller Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers, AJ Hawk, Justin Farrell, BJ Raji, Clay Matthews, Bryan Bulaga Conclusion: The Bills have been the master of their own demise. Green Bay has succeeded because they pick better. The Bills could have had the starting right tackle in Bulaga but they preferred Spiller. They chose Maybin ahead of Matthews! What wins in the NFL? Talent. Talented owners, talented GM's, talented coaches and talented players. The Bills fail on all counts. right on the mark billsguy
tennesseeboy Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I'm not conceding that Bulaga was a better pick not yet anyway. Bulaga went through some criticism this year as well. I don't think the success of the Packers lies on Bulaga's shoulders...please. I think its safe in saying he played a greater role in the Green Bay offense than CJ Spiller played in our offense...and with a much better result when all was said and done.
Bronc24 Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Lets see...stable President and CEO...committing to a coaching staff etc...drafting an elite QB and not pinning one's hopes on 7th round pick from Harvard who throws 23 TD's and wows our fanbase because our QB play has been putrid so we will take anything we can get... They do not have a 90+ meddling owner with cronies who pull his strings all for the sake of profit...they don't patchwork an OL together..they do not build their team from the outside in like the Bills do but from the inside out... Shall I go on? a plan and a clue Differences between the Green Bay Packers and the Buffalo Bills: 1. One team has an elite, superstar QB that will make them contenders for a decade. 2. One team has a generally competent front office, and one team is run by someone who likely can't control their own excretory functions. They're also owned by a not-for-profit cooperative. No squawk if they put every penny back into the team. They demand accountability and performance. Example: 2007 D was top 10-ish on both points and yards. Team was 13-3. 2008 D was 20th-ish on both points and yards. Team was 6-10; O scored about the same but D gave up about 6 more ppg. GB took out a broom, fired the entire defensive coaching staff, and switched from 4-3 to 3-4. Next year, started 2 rookies at linebacker, D was top 10 on points, top 5 on yds No nonsense about not knowing what they had to do or being out of position or needing a few more years. Similar thing with Favre. OK, you've retired, we've made our plans. I'm sorry, you told us you retired and we made our plans accordingly. No thanks, our plans are made, good luck! It could be us. *sigh* Saw the thread...can't say it better than above.
DreReed83 Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) The difference is they draft well and smart. Therefore they don't have to sign high priced free agents. Packers along with the Steelers save themselves trouble by drafting and developing their players very very well. Edited January 26, 2011 by DreReed83
billsfreak Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) The signing of Reggie White put Green Bay on the map. After the "Trading" for Brett Favre that is. Nix IS a heavily praised personnel man, though. And that's why he's our GM. Hopefully our drafting improves under him but I'm afraid he may be oh-for-1 so far on drafts. Hopefully that was just first draft jitters and he starts to rake from now on. And we're spending a ton of money on Whitner, Maybin, Spiller, etc... Says who? Other than a cheap organization who is trying to sell him to some dilusional fans that keep hope that we are almost there even after a decade and a half of terrible football and an even worse run franchise. Edited January 26, 2011 by billsfreak
BillsfaninFl Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Look at the 1st round picks over the last 6 years: Buffalo - Whitner, McCargo, Lynch, McKelvin, Maybin, Wood, Spiller Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers, AJ Hawk, Justin Farrell, BJ Raji, Clay Matthews, Bryan Bulaga Conclusion: The Bills have been the master of their own demise. Green Bay has succeeded because they pick better. The Bills could have had the starting right tackle in Bulaga but they preferred Spiller. They chose Maybin ahead of Matthews! What wins in the NFL? Talent. Talented owners, talented GM's, talented coaches and talented players. The Bills fail on all counts. Congrats! This is the best post of the day.
Mr. ChumChums Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Actually, didn't the Packers have the HIGHEST Payroll in the NFL this past season? Something to the tune of 153 Million (Pats* were 152 Million), or something like that.
Repulsif Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Well..in case you hadn't noticed, they drafted Brian Bulaga instead of CJ Spiller. Resulted in a better offensive line...better passing game....better running game....trip to the superbowl. So, as recall, what is the 1st thing to [fix|have strong] for a superbowl apparence or eventually win ?
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