dib Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I suppose that is an idealistic position but I would also not want to go through the balance of my life knowing that I killed a guy who was simply drunk and in the wrong place. It would be harder for me to go through life knowing I had allowed harm to come to my family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 Yes I read the article in the OP - what you are referring to was in a "related article" which I now just read. My point about the lights was not to say they had to be left on. I was simply trying to say that before shooting an unarmed person I would personally have hoped that I would have had the ability to better ascertain how much of a threat he really was. I said specifically in my other post it is hard to know how anyone would have reacted in the situation. I never faulted the shooter. Sadly, the bottom line is that the "intruder" was in the wrong house and the homeowner had the legal right to shoot him. This relates to my point above, I'd like to think in an ideal situation the homeowner could have done a better job of figuring how threatened he really was. The situation is simply bad for everyone involved. I guess I misunderstood you on the first part. I think that if the homeowner's story is the truth, then I don't see how anybody can fault him.....The 911 tapes would prove his story to be true, or it wouldn't, (or somewhere kind of murkily in between) so I'd really like to hear them. Without them, I am definitely giving him the benefit of the doubt. You go into somebody else's house at 1AM, and bad things are bound to happen. I don't have a gun, but if I had a clear shot at somebody in my house, he'd have a baseball bat to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I suppose that is an idealistic position but I would also not want to go through the balance of my life knowing that I killed a guy who was simply drunk and in the wrong place. It would be harder for me to go through life knowing I had allowed harm to come to my family. I could not agree more with both points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I guess I misunderstood you on the first part. I think that if the homeowner's story is the truth, then I don't see how anybody can fault him.....The 911 tapes would prove his story to be true, or it wouldn't, (or somewhere kind of murkily in between) so I'd really like to hear them. I would also like to hear the 911 tapes. When I said I wasn't buying the shooter's story, I was trying to convey I don't believe the events happened the way the shooter states they did. When I read his version, there seems to be a deliberate attempt to paint Park as being something more than a drunken idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I would also like to hear the 911 tapes. When I said I wasn't buying the shooter's story, I was trying to convey I don't believe the events happened the way the shooter states they did. When I read his version, there seems to be a deliberate attempt to paint Park as being something more than a drunken idiot. Park was more than a drunken idiot. As far as the homeowner knew, Park was a threat to the homeowner and his family. Was he supposed to invite the guy in for coffee and a chat so he could first ascertain why the man was wondering around his home in the middle of the night? I love how people assume that every person woken in the middle of the night by an intruder in their home should be expected to act like a trained SWAT team expert on a training course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Park was more than a drunken idiot. There's something incredibly weird about this. I saw his BAC was .18....I've never had a breathalyzer and haven't drank in many years, but when I was tearing it up, I am sure I was in the 2s many many times.....So, I just looked up BAC effects, and above 2 is when you start to not understand things. This is the range he was in. How he could be so messed up to go thru all the obstacles just to get into the house, then act so deranged in it (allegedly), you would think he'd be at some super crazy number or supplemented with other drugs or just plain be nuts. Here is his level: 0.139–0.2 * Over-expression * Emotional swings * Angriness or sadness * Boisterousness * Super human feeling * Decreased libido * Reflexes * Reaction time * Gross motor control * Staggering * Slurred speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I feel bad for the guy and believe the shooter should not be blamed. Yet, this is a classic example of needing to get to "know your neighbors a little better" and what is going on in your neighborhood. Heck, the neighbors on both sides of me even have a key to my house that they keep... Call me anything you want... Even in this type of situation, I hope I wouldn't let irrational fear overtake me so as to prempt an intruder before they... Even in "my castle" with familia all around. Maybe that is stupid. Still the shooter WAS NOT wrong. He just made a bad judgement call. The cops were on the way, I would have tried my best to diffuse the situation to the vey last possible moment... On that note and a little joking: Heck, who wants birdshot all over your nice and immaculate suburban Amherst home? Even if my arm was chopped off I would still yell for someone to grab a red towel! Same with fire extinguishers (not that I don't have them), totally out of the question unless it is a 3 alarmer! And of course you would not be under those circumstances. Honestly? No. Both my neighbors have a key to my house and I would assume (maybe recklessly) that it was one of them. Again... Maybe I am reckless... In this case, I wouldn't let the fear get the best of me since the cops were on the way. Just think if Otis stumbled into the wrong jailhouse... Thought he was in Mayberry when in fact he was on a bender in Mt. Pilot. Now that would have been an easy way for the writers of The Andy Griffith Show to kill Otis off if they wanted to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 It wasn't a neighbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 There's something incredibly weird about this. I saw his BAC was .18....I've never had a breathalyzer and haven't drank in many years, but when I was tearing it up, I am sure I was in the 2s many many times.....So, I just looked up BAC effects, and above 2 is when you start to not understand things. This is the range he was in. How he could be so messed up to go thru all the obstacles just to get into the house, then act so deranged in it (allegedly), you would think he'd be at some super crazy number or supplemented with other drugs or just plain be nuts. Here is his level: 0.139–0.2 * Over-expression * Emotional swings * Angriness or sadness * Boisterousness * Super human feeling * Decreased libido * Reflexes * Reaction time * Gross motor control * Staggering * Slurred speech Not defending the dude... he was from Albany (make a joke if you want)... What I am saying is that being totally new to a place... Does that add to the confusion. Then again... Why the fence, the deck, back door?. Almost sounds like the dude was in a state of "drunken Alzheimer's." Not to stereotyope some... Not nameing certain ethnic groups that can't hold their liqour... ;) It wasn't a neighbor. I know. But I know what is going on at my neigbor's house(s) all the time... Heck, I would have been invited to the party. Like I said... Maybe they live far apart from one another... Our houses on my street are not that close... But still the whole neigborhood would be awake from the ruckus even before the weapon discharged! As mentioned, it was like he was in a state of Alzheimer's or something??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Drunken Alzheimer's seems to be the right term.....I know he's got the surname Park, but I don't think he looks Asian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Drunken Alzheimer's seems to be the right term.....I know he's got the surname Park, but I don't think he looks Asian. Such a sad story bbb... I feel for both sides. I don't fault the shooter one bit, that is how he handled it. I have seen drunk people do some crazy things, you almost wonder what was possessing them! Oh... bbb, It wasn't an Asian thing... I was talking about my Irish father-in-law more specifically! ;) On another note... What would the shooter have done if "drunk" was replaced with "Alzheimer's person." :unsure: Edited January 25, 2011 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 The same thing. He didn't know he was drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Honestly? No. Both my neighbors have a key to my house and I would assume (maybe recklessly) that it was one of them. I'd imagine that if you thought it was one of your neighbors, you'd call them out by name. Then when you get no response, what next? It's easy to say what you would do in this situation, but it's another story all together for what you would do if you actually were put in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 There's something incredibly weird about this. I saw his BAC was .18....I've never had a breathalyzer and haven't drank in many years, but when I was tearing it up, I am sure I was in the 2s many many times.....So, I just looked up BAC effects, and above 2 is when you start to not understand things. This is the range he was in. How he could be so messed up to go thru all the obstacles just to get into the house, then act so deranged in it (allegedly), you would think he'd be at some super crazy number or supplemented with other drugs or just plain be nuts. Here is his level: 0.139–0.2 * Over-expression * Emotional swings * Angriness or sadness * Boisterousness * Super human feeling * Decreased libido * Reflexes * Reaction time * Gross motor control * Staggering * Slurred speech Yup, unless you are a serious alcoholic, you are hammered at .18 Which raises another question -- where were his wife and friends when this guy was staggering out of the house in a strange neighborhood, blind drunk in the middle of the night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Which raises another question -- where were his wife and friends when this guy was staggering out of the house in a strange neighborhood, blind drunk in the middle of the night? Ducking to avoid the hail of bullets, probably... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Which raises another question -- where were his wife and friends when this guy was staggering out of the house in a strange neighborhood, blind drunk in the middle of the night? Very good point... I was wondering that too... Where the heck were the other people he was in town with? Ducking to avoid the hail of bullets, probably... He only discharged the weapon once... And it was birdshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Were they all so blasted that they didn't even notice he was gone that long? Doesn't seem possible.......But, it's all the homeowners fault and none of theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I have 2 pistols available in the bedroom. One on my side on on my wife's. Then again I live next to a felon that likes to beat up women. He shows up on my property and he's a chalk outline. Underpowered. I keep a Ithaca 12 gage pump in arms reach. Drunk or not, anyone who busts into my house is going to to have some serious lead ingestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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