tennesseeboy Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 there were really obvious picks that should have been made at the time. The number one pick for Mike Williams was weird in that the consensus was that the best Offensive Tackle was Bryant McKinney, who has had a very good career. Erik Flowers and Aaron Maybin were headscratchers from day one. Others were gambles, but you had to give the benefit of the doubt to, Losman, McGahee with his injury, Whitner, Spiller. Others were pretty ok picks, Clements, Lynch,Evans and possibly McKelvin. We have not been very good at drafting in the first round or two and that goes a long way toward where we are today. We have not been aggressive or smart in free agency either in keeping good players or getting quality players. We have not been very good at trading.
Gugny Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Eh ... most, if not all, teams can make the same arguments. The only "mistakes" that stand out to me are McGahee, Lynch and Spiller. It's just my personal belief that no team should ever spend their first pick on a running back. Well, unless you already have the perfect O-line, WRs, QBs and defense in place - and we all know that wasn't the case!
JPS Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Conversations like this are happening in Carolina, Denver and every other crappy franchise in the league. Not sure where the hindsight or the wallowing in past failures gets anyone. If we draft Dareus and Quinn turns out to be great, there will be posts about about how we shoulda drafted Quinn.
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 What about Losman and McCargo? You can add them to your list as well. Yeah, and didn't we trade up and get McCargo when we could have stayed pat and gotten Mangold?
billsintaiwan Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Here are the misses we let go in the first round the past decade, now we can't hit homeruns every time but this will show how sad but true we did. 2000 - #26 DE Erik Flowers (this pick still makes me mad)LB Keith Bulluck 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo) 2002 - #4 OT Mike Williams ( knew this guy was a bum, big don't mean good, this guy was as nasty as a lamb) DE Dwight Freeney (my pick) S Ed Reed 2003 - #23 RB Willis McGahee (ok) TE Dallas Clark (yeah couldn't use him) (If we had Brees then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe and could have had S Troy Polamalu (imagine him and Reed as our safties :devil: ) 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat) 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady 2009 - #11 DE Aaron Maybin (Taking the fastest first step right out of here ) where do we begin Superstar OLB Clay Matthews, DE Brian Orakpo ,LB Brian Cushing 2010 - #9 RB CJ Spiller (BPA ) been over this plenty so short and quick; OT Brian Bulaga, DE Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB for us)C Maurkice Pouncey, QB Tim Tebow, Have at it. took me twenty seconds to browse, thirty to reply. hope it took you more than 50 seconds to waste your time with this wank.
Glory Bound Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 took me twenty seconds to browse, thirty to reply. hope it took you more than 50 seconds to waste your time with this wank. Took me 60 seconds to decide if I wanted to reply to you or not...but I decided you won't hang around long enough to read it. Too many other important things to do... like protecting government secrets, or stopping the spread of nuclear weapons. I sure wish I was important, but I'm just a Bills fan......
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Yeah, and didn't we trade up and get McCargo when we could have stayed pat and gotten Mangold? No
T master Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Should-a Would-a Could-a , i think we have all written this post at least once in our time hear but i can say i agree one hundred percent !! One you forgot when i did my post on this was when we took Maybin & Orapko was still sitting there & the Skins took him 2 picks later. That's kind of working out for us like the Obama thing is LOSER !!!!
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Should-a Would-a Could-a , i think we have all written this post at least once in our time hear but i can say i agree one hundred percent !! One you forgot when i did my post on this was when we took Maybin & Orapko was still sitting there & the Skins took him 2 picks later. That's kind of working out for us like the Obama thing is LOSER !!!! take it to PPP.
tennesseeboy Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Should-a Would-a Could-a , i think we have all written this post at least once in our time hear but i can say i agree one hundred percent !! One you forgot when i did my post on this was when we took Maybin & Orapko was still sitting there & the Skins took him 2 picks later. That's kind of working out for us like the Obama thing is LOSER !!!! nazi board material.
Glory Bound Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Should-a Would-a Could-a , i think we have all written this post at least once in our time hear but i can say i agree one hundred percent !! One you forgot when i did my post on this was when we took Maybin & Orapko was still sitting there & the Skins took him 2 picks later. That's kind of working out for us like the Obama thing is LOSER !!!! Man o man T Master...that's what stuck in my craw as well! I was chanting "O R A P K O" before the pick! I was totally miffed when they picked Maybin. I'm still ticked! I don't think I'll get over it until Maybin gets his pink slip, which is inevitable. It's still hard to believe. The two players aren't even the same universe.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 I think I'm gonna start a thread entitled, "Women I should have nailed."
Stl Bills Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Yeah, and didn't we trade up and get McCargo when we could have stayed pat and gotten Mangold? No but your memory isn't that far off...when it was announced that we had traded back into Rd 1 a lot of us thought Mangold was the target and then they drafted McCargo. Mangold was taken a few picks later but was gone by the pick we originally had in Rd 2. We could have stayed where we were in Rd 2 and drafted Marcus McNeil though.
billsfreak Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Here are the misses we let go in the first round the past decade, now we can't hit homeruns every time but this will show how sad but true we did. 2000 - #26 DE Erik Flowers (this pick still makes me mad)LB Keith Bulluck 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo) 2002 - #4 OT Mike Williams ( knew this guy was a bum, big don't mean good, this guy was as nasty as a lamb) DE Dwight Freeney (my pick) S Ed Reed 2003 - #23 RB Willis McGahee (ok) TE Dallas Clark (yeah couldn't use him) (If we had Brees then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe and could have had S Troy Polamalu (imagine him and Reed as our safties :devil: ) 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat) 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady 2009 - #11 DE Aaron Maybin (Taking the fastest first step right out of here ) where do we begin Superstar OLB Clay Matthews, DE Brian Orakpo ,LB Brian Cushing 2010 - #9 RB CJ Spiller (BPA ) been over this plenty so short and quick; OT Brian Bulaga, DE Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB for us)C Maurkice Pouncey, QB Tim Tebow, Have at it. Shoulda, woulda, coulda-dumb post. Hindsight is 20-20. Yes our FO has made so many mistakes over the past 12-15 years, but you could make a post about every team in the NFL with this subject.
Beach Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 please no more 1 rd RB's, look at all the great undrafted RB's arond the league. get a O-line that makes it possible for anyone with speed and can hang onto the ball to run thru.
KOKBILLS Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed With a Draft record like that...Pretty much...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Here are the misses we let go in the first round the past decade, now we can't hit homeruns every time but this will show how sad but true we did. 2000 - #26 DE Erik Flowers (this pick still makes me mad)LB Keith Bulluck 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo) 2002 - #4 OT Mike Williams ( knew this guy was a bum, big don't mean good, this guy was as nasty as a lamb) DE Dwight Freeney (my pick) S Ed Reed 2003 - #23 RB Willis McGahee (ok) TE Dallas Clark (yeah couldn't use him) (If we had Brees then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe and could have had S Troy Polamalu (imagine him and Reed as our safties :devil: ) 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat) 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady 2009 - #11 DE Aaron Maybin (Taking the fastest first step right out of here ) where do we begin Superstar OLB Clay Matthews, DE Brian Orakpo ,LB Brian Cushing 2010 - #9 RB CJ Spiller (BPA ) been over this plenty so short and quick; OT Brian Bulaga, DE Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB for us)C Maurkice Pouncey, QB Tim Tebow, Have at it. These list are alwasy pretty silly, as you can do this for every team in the NFL. Even in the Whitner case...it was widely reported that Whitner was going to be picked right after we grabbed him, so we werent the only one who had him graded high and we needed safety help. Ngata was by far the wide spread belief as our pick, including myself, and definitely the safer pick. But like I said, other teams had Whitner high on their board as well and it was still a need. Even the JP Losman trade was a move we had to make if we wanted to get him as he would have been gone before our next pick. Again a position of need, and honestly, I dont how much of his sucky career wasnt on our staff and the handling of him. So even this blunder made some sense at the time as he was the next highest rated QB that year. However, the McCargo trade up is about the worst I have ever seen. This guy wasnt even a big factor in college and was the third guy on that infamous D Line. We could have had him in the 2nd, 3rd, and maybe the 4th. This was an Al Davis type of move and really inexcusable. Most of these other busts were not as bad of picks then as they look now. The most offensive cases are Flowers and McCargo. Even Maybin was graded to be the best pass rusher by many, so even though most of us wanted someone else (myself included), it was a pick someone was going to blunder on right behind us somewhere as he was high on most teams draft boards because of his speed.
SuperKillerRobots Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Here are the misses we let go in the first round the past decade, now we can't hit homeruns every time but this will show how sad but true we did. 2000 - #26 DE Erik Flowers (this pick still makes me mad)LB Keith Bulluck 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo) 2002 - #4 OT Mike Williams ( knew this guy was a bum, big don't mean good, this guy was as nasty as a lamb) DE Dwight Freeney (my pick) S Ed Reed 2003 - #23 RB Willis McGahee (ok) TE Dallas Clark (yeah couldn't use him) (If we had Brees then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe and could have had S Troy Polamalu (imagine him and Reed as our safties :devil: ) 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat) 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady 2009 - #11 DE Aaron Maybin (Taking the fastest first step right out of here ) where do we begin Superstar OLB Clay Matthews, DE Brian Orakpo ,LB Brian Cushing 2010 - #9 RB CJ Spiller (BPA ) been over this plenty so short and quick; OT Brian Bulaga, DE Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB for us)C Maurkice Pouncey, QB Tim Tebow, Have at it. Obviously they've made some errors in the drafts of the past decade. Aside from the hindsight is 20/20 argument, I do think you are going about this incorrectly. You really have to take into consideration what type of player/position they were looking to draft or needed on the team. For instance, the Mike Williams pick. Obviously this was a bad pick and there were people who thought so before he played a down. However, was there really ever a chance that they were not goign to take a OT there? It was between Williams and McKinney, who is OK, but not living up to expectations either (though obviously much closer than Williams). Freeney wasn't a consideration and neither was Ed Reed. They had a good defense at that point, but couldn't do anything on offense. Just traded for Bledsoe, so they ahd to get someone to protect him. Another one is Evans/Wilfork. We had a great interior that year and needed a deep threat at WR. They had to take Evans and I believe that was probably their best pick of the decade, not that it's saying much.
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 No Actually, we did trade up and could have gotten Mangold, but he would have been gone had we stayed pat. Mangold would go a few picks after McCargo. No but your memory isn't that far off...when it was announced that we had traded back into Rd 1 a lot of us thought Mangold was the target and then they drafted McCargo. Mangold was taken a few picks later but was gone by the pick we originally had in Rd 2. We could have stayed where we were in Rd 2 and drafted Marcus McNeil though. Sorry that I responded too early before seeing this, Stl Bills, and thank you.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 21, 2011 Author Posted January 21, 2011 But let's say one of those picks happened, and the Bills had even one more win (or loss) that season! Then the next season the draft order would have been different which would have changed a lot of other teams' priorities/ picks. This is such a ridiculous thread. Why bother? because the board was slow. 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions—Only whether you ever bother to spell names properly. They are spelled right, which is not even a point here.
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