BiggieScooby Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Mangini would undermine Gailey. I highly doubt the elder Gailey would want to cede any credit to a young coach whom some consider the 2nd coming of Belichick. That's not to say it wouldn't work, but it is highly unlikely this marriage would work. Seems Gailey is dead set on making George Edwards work.
Nuncha Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Mike Catalana makes sense. http://www.13wham.com/content/sports/bills/story/Bills-Should-Hire-Mangini/MFZpEUclBE-2T2P53L6uFg.cspx Screw the Man-gina the guy sucks.
benderbender Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Before we hand him a job, think why Mangini hasn't held any positions long term
dave mcbride Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 There was a great article in the NY Times the other day with Mangini laying out a basic blueprint on how to beat the Pats. Now for the most part it was what you expect a bunch of fluff for the sake of an article, but what caught my eye was where he was talking about during his time with the Jets, that their philosophy was simply to draft/acquire players for the sole purpose of beating NE, because if you're not beating NE you're not going to the playoffs. On the outside you would say no ****, but it talked about how they got revis to cover welker, how they drafted mangold to neutralize wilfork, and for the purpose of an inside running game. It just made me think we have one team in our division who's mission statement is to beat the Pats, and well the Bills who only care about beating the Dolphins. Mangini would make far too much sense due to his familiarity with the Jets, and yes most of the people the jets drafted that play for them were Mangini draft picks, and for his familiarity with Belichick, and the fact despite not having the greatest collection of talent, was able to beat him both with the Jets and The Browns. Common sense says it's a no brainer hire. Unfortunatly common sense also says Ralph won't eat George Edwards contract and shell out the money it would take to get Mangini. One can hope though Excellent post, and a clear explanation of why the Bills front office is so bad -- they draft as if in a void.
billsfan89 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 If they want to run a 4-3/3-4 hybrid with an emphasis on the 4-3 I say go with Wanny if you want to run a more pure 3-4 system that only mixes in the 4-3 I think Mangini would be an excellent guy. I remember this idea being posted on TSW and it was well received the guy can beat the Pats* and specializes in the 3-4 system. Also take a look at the guys drafts in NY and to a lesser extent Cleveland he did pretty well drafting defensive and offensive players there and even if his GM's were more so involved with that he had to have some input in those drafts. Mangini's draft record with the Jets (1st two rounds + notable players in later rounds) 2006- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Eric Mangold, Leon Washington, and Kellen Clemens (Mangold and Ferguson both fixtures on the O-line, a miss with Clemens, and Washington a pretty good late round pick up). 2007- Darrell Revis and David Harris (Both Fixtures on the Jets D, Revis one of the top two at his position) 2008- Vernon Gholston and Dustin Keller with Dwight Lowerly and Danny Woodhead later and Undrafted pickups (Gholston so far a bust but Keller is a really nice Tight end and Lowerly has been a serviceable player while Woodhead is doing well for the Pats*). I can't speak on how he did drafting for the Browns but I can say that what he did with the Jets was excellent out of 7 first and second round selections Mangini was able to land 5 really good to great players with only 2 busts.
dave mcbride Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Hey good one! You're saying Ralph is cheap, right?????? Wilson has always been cheap with coaches. That's a proven fact, correct?
Bzee Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Before we hand him a job, think why Mangini hasn't held any positions long term Edited January 18, 2011 by Bzee
Thoner7 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Cowboys signed him! Ill take Mangini then lol There was a great article in the NY Times the other day with Mangini laying out a basic blueprint on how to beat the Pats. Now for the most part it was what you expect a bunch of fluff for the sake of an article, but what caught my eye was where he was talking about during his time with the Jets, that their philosophy was simply to draft/acquire players for the sole purpose of beating NE, because if you're not beating NE you're not going to the playoffs. On the outside you would say no ****, but it talked about how they got revis to cover welker, how they drafted mangold to neutralize wilfork, and for the purpose of an inside running game. It just made me think we have one team in our division who's mission statement is to beat the Pats, and well the Bills who only care about beating the Dolphins. Mangini would make far too much sense due to his familiarity with the Jets, and yes most of the people the jets drafted that play for them were Mangini draft picks, and for his familiarity with Belichick, and the fact despite not having the greatest collection of talent, was able to beat him both with the Jets and The Browns. Common sense says it's a no brainer hire. Unfortunatly common sense also says Ralph won't eat George Edwards contract and shell out the money it would take to get Mangini. One can hope though I heard that interview on ESPN radio the other day. It really angered me actually bc I kept thinkiong "Why the hell arent eh Bills doing this ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" It kinda throws out the notion of BPA as the ebst strategy anyways - which I agree with, but thats another debate.
Thoner7 Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Before we hand him a job, think why Mangini hasn't held any positions long term What is a good quarterback? I'll take dollars and sense for 800....
Beerball Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Does Mike read TSW? I started a thread about Mangini as Bills's DC on the day he was let go by the Browns. Wish I knew how to post a link. This the one you were thinking of?
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Screw the Man-gina the guy sucks. Well I guess that settles our little discussion. I mean, who could argue with such a comprehensive and convincing statement of position? If they want to run a 4-3/3-4 hybrid with an emphasis on the 4-3 I say go with Wanny if you want to run a more pure 3-4 system that only mixes in the 4-3 I think Mangini would be an excellent guy. I remember this idea being posted on TSW and it was well received the guy can beat the Pats* and specializes in the 3-4 system. Also take a look at the guys drafts in NY and to a lesser extent Cleveland he did pretty well drafting defensive and offensive players there and even if his GM's were more so involved with that he had to have some input in those drafts. Mangini's draft record with the Jets (1st two rounds + notable players in later rounds) 2006- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Eric Mangold, Leon Washington, and Kellen Clemens (Mangold and Ferguson both fixtures on the O-line, a miss with Clemens, and Washington a pretty good late round pick up). 2007- Darrell Revis and David Harris (Both Fixtures on the Jets D, Revis one of the top two at his position) 2008- Vernon Gholston and Dustin Keller with Dwight Lowerly and Danny Woodhead later and Undrafted pickups (Gholston so far a bust but Keller is a really nice Tight end and Lowerly has been a serviceable player while Woodhead is doing well for the Pats*). I can't speak on how he did drafting for the Browns but I can say that what he did with the Jets was excellent out of 7 first and second round selections Mangini was able to land 5 really good to great players with only 2 busts. Just remember the drafts were run by the man who hired and then fired Mangini, Mike Tannenbaum.
truth on hold Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Its an interesting idea. And I do think he's better off in an assistant/DC kind of role. I'd certainly feel better about our chances with him than that dead beat Wannstedt
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 18, 2011 Author Posted January 18, 2011 Cowboys signed him! That stinks hoping he might come here too. Anyone know if Vic Fangio signed somewhere? Mangini would undermine Gailey. I highly doubt the elder Gailey would want to cede any credit to a young coach whom some consider the 2nd coming of Belichick. That's not to say it wouldn't work, but it is highly unlikely this marriage would work. Seems Gailey is dead set on making George Edwards work. He might be trying to make Edwards work but I think he humble enough to bring whoever can help, It's Ralph that doesn't like spending the money.
Dr. Trooth Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 And yet he was willing to pay $10M to Shanahan? Right... show me any evidence that Ralph was willing to do that? Someone is blowing smoke up your shorts dude. Shanny ain't even making that kind of money with the skins.
Erik Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 That stinks hoping he might come here too. Anyone know if Vic Fangio signed somewhere? Fangio is Harbaugh's DC in SF.
SuperKillerRobots Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 Wilson has always been cheap with coaches. That's a proven fact, correct? Just like menstrating women attracting bears into the newsroom... If everyone keeps repeating something, it's bound to be right.
dpberr Posted January 18, 2011 Posted January 18, 2011 There is a difference between being "cheap" and foolishly signing coaches to contracts that can paralyze you for years into the future. I've heard the "Wilson is cheap" argument for years, but started considering how the structure of the contract plays into it when I read an article where some players keep getting paid for decades into the future by their former teams solely based on how they set up the contract when they sighed with the team. We never know as fans if these "hot" coaches (Shanahan, Cowher) insist on some ridiculous deferred compensation clause where a team pays them literally for decades, or so much of the contract is guaranteed. Why, as an owner, would you want to pay an employee decades after he was last an employee for your company? Why would you submit to paying a guy the bulk of his salary years after he was lousy and only lasted on the job a year? This might extend to any coach you interview and hire. It's not always about the amount of money. We just never know if it's money=money between two contracts. I doubt it's that simple. If Wilson has avoided the big names because of things like that, I credit, not criticize him for keeping the team out of contract hell.
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