Tipster19 Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 First let me start off with saying that the Bills should not trade down in the draft and they should take the best blue chip player available to them at the #3 spot. We need the best impact players who will make a difference for us on and off the field. We had a sense of excitement to this team last season and I would like to see us build off of that. Having impact players can and will attract other potential players to this organization. It's not like impact players can't be discovered later in the draft but how many times has Buffalo been able to draft this high? The answer is not many. I would like to see them stand their ground and take a game changer. There's a reason why the players are ranked. The higher the ranking the higher the percentages go up of selecting a quality player who can lend success to our quest. I say utilize it BUT if our braintrust felt differently about the quality of players at the top of the draftboard then I could understand why they might consider trading out of the #3 spot. When I look at the pick value and who could be willing to trade up then this idiot Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys stands out. His meddling ways and his ego will not allow him to stand idle during this or any other draft. Have you ever watched him and his son Stephen in the war room during the draft? They look like they belonged in my last year's fantasy football draft. I can't stand this guy but he is like a craftier Daniel Snyder, he just has to outsmart everybody. Well, if Buffalo wants to trade down then let Jerry Jones "pull a fast one" over on them. Jones will pay and he will pay handsomely. Take a look at the WR Roy Williams' trade, Jones couldn't pay enough for the guy and Detroit was the clearcut winner in that scenario. The Cowboys' secondary blows and they need a big time CB. Dalls' CB Terence Newman will be 33 years old by the start of next season and the Cowboys are needing his replacement. I'm sure Jones, with his huge ego, doesn't expect to be picking this high again in the draft for quite sometime. Here he will have the opportunity to pick up a blue chip CB in Nebraska's Prince Amukamara. If Jerry wants to meddle again, and I'm sure that he does, then I say make him pay, make him pay dearly.
Dan Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 First let me start off with saying that the Bills should not trade down in the draft and they should take the best blue chip player available to them at the #3 spot. We need the best impact players who will make a difference for us on and off the field. We had a sense of excitement to this team last season and I would like to see us build off of that. Having impact players can and will attract other potential players to this organization. It's not like impact players can't be discovered later in the draft but how many times has Buffalo been able to draft this high? The answer is not many. I would like to see them stand their ground and take a game changer. There's a reason why the players are ranked. The higher the ranking the higher the percentages go up of selecting a quality player who can lend success to our quest. I say utilize it BUT if our braintrust felt differently about the quality of players at the top of the draftboard then I could understand why they might consider trading out of the #3 spot. When I look at the pick value and who could be willing to trade up then this idiot Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys stands out. His meddling ways and his ego will not allow him to stand idle during this or any other draft. Have you ever watched him and his son Stephen in the war room during the draft? They look like they belonged in my last year's fantasy football draft. I can't stand this guy but he is like a craftier Daniel Snyder, he just has to outsmart everybody. Well, if Buffalo wants to trade down then let Jerry Jones "pull a fast one" over on them. Jones will pay and he will pay handsomely. Take a look at the WR Roy Williams' trade, Jones couldn't pay enough for the guy and Detroit was the clearcut winner in that scenario. The Cowboys' secondary blows and they need a big time CB. Dalls' CB Terence Newman will be 33 years old by the start of next season and the Cowboys are needing his replacement. I'm sure Jones, with his huge ego, doesn't expect to be picking this high again in the draft for quite sometime. Here he will have the opportunity to pick up a blue chip CB in Nebraska's Prince Amukamara. If Jerry wants to meddle again, and I'm sure that he does, then I say make him pay, make him pay dearly. For clarification, you want to trade down and then select a CB?
Tipster19 Posted January 11, 2011 Author Posted January 11, 2011 For clarification, you want to trade down and then select a CB? No sir, I was thinking that Dallas would like to trade up from the #9 spot for Nebraska's CB Prince Amukamara.
Dan Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 No sir, I was thinking that Dallas would like to trade up from the #9 spot for Nebraska's CB Prince Amukamara. Gotcha. I got confused. But, totally just my brain not functioning. Given that Luck was perhaps the only "sure thing" QB, and there may only be one "sure thing" DE/DT that's selected at 1or 2, I think this would be a great year to trade down a few slots and still get a top notch player and a few extra picks. So, I'd be all for it. Of course, I must qualify my opinion by stating that I have almost no understanding of who exactly is considered the best players in this draft, other than what I read here.
RyanC883 Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Gotcha. I got confused. But, totally just my brain not functioning. Given that Luck was perhaps the only "sure thing" QB, and there may only be one "sure thing" DE/DT that's selected at 1or 2, I think this would be a great year to trade down a few slots and still get a top notch player and a few extra picks. So, I'd be all for it. Of course, I must qualify my opinion by stating that I have almost no understanding of who exactly is considered the best players in this draft, other than what I read here. I like your thinking. If Fairley is gone, and Jones would give us #9 and his second and third (or fourth) I'd be all for it.
Dan Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 I like your thinking. If Fairley is gone, and Jones would give us #9 and his second and third (or fourth) I'd be all for it. That's exactly what I was thinking. Fairley seems to be "the" defensive lineman of this draft. (Maybe I'm wrong) So, if he's taken 1or 2, you can probably trade back to #9 and get the same player you would have taken at #3; plus get a couple of extra mid round picks. Seems like a no brainer to me. See... this drafting stuff ain't so hard. We got it all figured out. :beer:to us. Of course, refer to my disclaimer from me earlier post.
sllib olaffub Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 What would we demand in a trade from 3 to 9? I'd take it, if we could get the right compensation - what would that be, though? Another 2nd round and 3rd round pick? Would that be enough? I would think we'd have to get, for our #3 pick, Dallas's #9, their 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder... and a pick next year, too? Maybe a 3rd rounder? Would he be nuts enough for that? He would have to assume he could reload in F.A., and that CB is one of his only weak links. For us, I mean, we could probably land one of: Gabbert, Locker, Dareus, Quinn, or Von Miller at 9. So, I would think it would be a no brainer for us. A deal like that could, with proper handling of the picks, re-tool our roster in the right positions and set us up for a real run. We already have our 1, and our 2 is almost a late 1, and a 3 and two 4's. A Dallas trade would give us #9, then our nice 2, their 2, two 3's, two 4's. Wow. We could re-load with that many selections.
FutureBillsGM Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 What would we demand in a trade from 3 to 9? According to the "Draft Value Chart" our #3 pick is worth 2200 value points. To use only this years picks, Dallas would have to give us: 1st- 1350 2nd- 490 3rd- 225 4th- 84 5th- 37.5 7th- 11 Basically they would have to trade their whole draft to us. I would do this is a second. In real life it might not work like this but most trades are pretty close to the guide. It's probably end up swap picks we get their second and a second next year or something like that.
QCity Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 I don't think Jerry Jones would pay #3 money to a CB when he can just go out and buy one of the best CB in the league (Nnamdi Asomugha) and not lose a single draft pick.
reddogblitz Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 I'd need their first this year and next year plus another pick or player or two. And I dang sure don't want Jake Locker with our first round pick.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 I think we should sit and draft Dareus, but wouldn't be opposed to trading back as long as we get some DL talent, Heyward ,Paea,Kerrigan.
bkc Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 That's exactly what I was thinking. Fairley seems to be "the" defensive lineman of this draft. (Maybe I'm wrong) So, if he's taken 1or 2, you can probably trade back to #9 and get the same player you would have taken at #3; plus get a couple of extra mid round picks. Seems like a no brainer to me. See... this drafting stuff ain't so hard. We got it all figured out. :beer:to us. Of course, refer to my disclaimer from me earlier post. That could work seems after Fairley there is a several D ends that will work for us at 9 . the more hype green and the two cornerbacks get the better
3rdand12 Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Tipster. You are a creative genius. The OP shows that you see to the next level. But more than that you have the attitude. "then I say make him pay, make him pay dearly." You have my vote as next GM. Or at least have our current one's good ear to whisper into. go bills! I don't think Jerry Jones would pay #3 money to a CB when he can just go out and buy one of the best CB in the league (Nnamdi Asomugha) and not lose a single draft pick. Are you sure about this?
QCity Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Are you sure about this? Can't be sure without a CBA in place and the salary cap still unknown. For a man who isn't a afraid to spend money, doesn't it make perfect sense?
Astrobot Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I like your thinking. If Fairley is gone, and Jones would give us #9 and his second and third (or fourth) I'd be all for it. I'm all over this like a cheap suit. We won't be greedy; we'll take Dallas's 2nd and 4th to switch: 9 Buffalo J.J. Watt DE34 Wisconsin 34 Buffalo Stephen Paea DT34 Oregon State 40 Buffalo Justin Houston OLB34 Georgia 68 Buffalo Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin 99 Buffalo Nate Irving ILB North Carolina State 109 Buffalo Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada 121 Buffalo Marcus Gilbert OT Florida 130 Buffalo Michael Egnew TE Missouri 164 Buffalo Derek Hall OT Stanford 195 Buffalo Delone Carter RBF Syracuse
3rdand12 Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I'm all over this like a cheap suit. We won't be greedy; we'll take Dallas's 2nd and 4th to switch: 9 Buffalo J.J. Watt DE34 Wisconsin 34 Buffalo Stephen Paea DT34 Oregon State 40 Buffalo Justin Houston OLB34 Georgia 68 Buffalo Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin 99 Buffalo Nate Irving ILB North Carolina State 109 Buffalo Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada 121 Buffalo Marcus Gilbert OT Florida 130 Buffalo Michael Egnew TE Missouri 164 Buffalo Derek Hall OT Stanford 195 Buffalo Delone Carter RBF Syracuse Are you showing off? Because that looks pretty good. Any wiggle room with jj watt? tell me why he is The pick at 9. and ty in advance for your cooperation
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 People also need to remember someone like Wilfork was drafted at #18 (IIRC off the top of my head). So good D-Line talent doesn't have to be had in the top 3
Zulu Cthulhu Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 The cb jones would probably want is peterson. Either way, if he were willing to deal, why not? Buff has a lot of holes and more picks can't hurt.
section122 Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Jj watt would be fine for me but not at 9 seems he could be had a few picks later. Multiple trade downs would be less likely than buddy not taking 2 minutes to send in his pick imo
bowery4 Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I'm all over this like a cheap suit. We won't be greedy; we'll take Dallas's 2nd and 4th to switch: 9 Buffalo J.J. Watt DE34 Wisconsin 34 Buffalo Stephen Paea DT34 Oregon State 40 Buffalo Justin Houston OLB34 Georgia 68 Buffalo Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin 99 Buffalo Nate Irving ILB North Carolina State 109 Buffalo Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada 121 Buffalo Marcus Gilbert OT Florida 130 Buffalo Michael Egnew TE Missouri 164 Buffalo Derek Hall OT Stanford 195 Buffalo Delone Carter RBF Syracuse No OT until 121 and after a marginal (Newton like but WAC conference) QB? I don't like it much. I do like the thought of trading back a bit but I would rather go after the 7 slot. In anycase, I really don't think it will happen just because Buddy said he likes to stay put. Just as plausible IMO. I could see the Bills taking BPA instead of trying to trade even if it is a WR or CB. Playmaker is always a need in BNs eyes. I know this will blow up many peoples heads around here though after CJ's rookie year.
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