Drifter Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Imagine how this board would have melted down if the Bills ended up with the #1 pick and Luck stayed in school.
The Senator Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) props to the senator......you called it ......thanks for not takin my $10 bet....lol Put it towards your Bills tickets - you're gonna LOVE Ryan Mallett! . Edited January 6, 2011 by The Senator
truth on hold Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I don't know why everybody is so happy about this, we weren't going to get him anyway and now I'm willing to bet Fairley goes 1 or 2. youre spot on, unless Panthers take Green or Ingram, this really could mess up our chance at Fairley and Bowers
pimp on da' net Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Gotta respect his decision. He understands the value of an education. But to walk away from the amount of money that he is going to walk away from and set your family up for life is admirable yet leaves me scratching my head a little bit. Nonetheless, kudos to Luck for sticking to his guns. Great because I really dont think he's ready, same as Locker did previously. Next year will define Luck better they are graduating a few lineman, plus this year is his first of being the man...good start but lets see more before making him the next franchise savior.
Albany,n.y. Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 he's a lock to go #1 in this draft.....can't do any better than that......he cost himself ALOT of money in 2011 (will lose an entire years income playing for free)......you can always go back to school.....that rookie wage scale is gonna make a huge difference in 2012. i hope it works out for him....while many will think it's admirable......i think it's foolish. and again.....props to The Senator for calling his return to Stanford. He's going to have a lot of money in 2012. I don't think the NCAA can stop him from taking out an insurance policy that protects him for life financially, and if he wants a new car or anything else they can't stop his father from giving it to him. If his father gets him a $50,000 car, he can always pay him back in 2012. It's a totally different situation than a kid who comes from a poor family. I'm sure Peyton & Eli didn't have any problem staying in school because they had no worries about losing millions-they were set for life during their senior years because daddy could afford the insurance. Luck is in the same boat as the Mannings were. It's only foolish if he's risking never having millions. He's not.
Ozymandius Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I don't think the decision was necessarily foolish. Especially if the new rookie scale already kicks in for this draft. Let's say you held an auction for billionaires and one of the items you auctioned was the following: The ability to spend one year on campus as the most recognized star QB in the country and Heisman favorite. You don't think Warren Buffett would bid $200 million to spend one year as Andrew Luck? Hell, many billionaires own $150 million mega-yachts. They wouldn't derive more entertainment from spending a year swarmed by tight Asian poontang? Of course they would. I watched The Social Network. I want to be Andrew Luck. Oh, man, I want to be Andrew Luck. I don't know why everybody is so happy about this, we weren't going to get him anyway and now I'm willing to bet Fairley goes 1 or 2. Now we have a chance albeit small to get him next year. And also, it's about regret. Now Nix and Gailey can operate without the regret of having missed out on Luck and letting Carolina out-maneuver them to get the #1 pick. They won't go on tilt and make even worse personnel decisions. They can operate with a sound mind.
Cash Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Not suprised a bit. It's interesting how people talked themselves into being sure he'd come out over the course of the season. Go back and read stuff from September/October. The prevailing opinion back than was one of uncertainty, but that Luck was more likely to stay in school than come out. Anyway, given the likelihood of a lockout, and the fact that he had 2 remaining years of eligibility (and 1 year left to get his degree), this shouldn't come as a big shock. Keep in mind that the 2011 draft is covered by the current CBA, but *only* the draft. No draft pick can sign a contract until a new CBA is in place. No one knows how a new CBA will affect rookie salaries, but it's unlikely that different rules will be set up for the 2011 and 2012 drafts. So there's little to no risk in terms of worrying about a rookie wage scale. There's 2 real risks: 1.) Injury, which is mitigated somewhat by Sam Bradford. It's not a stretch to think Luck's draft stock could also overcome a season-ending injury to his shoulder. 2.) With a new coach and maybe worse teammates, Luck has a down year and is exposed as not being the real deal. As a fan, I'm glad he's going back, because if (2) happens, then we avoided a bust. I can't think of any QB whose draft stock dropped when he stayed an extra year, who then went on to amount to anything. Brohm stinks, Jevan Snead stinks, and I'm guessing Locker will stink as well. From Luck's perspective, if he's truly a competitor, and he thinks there's a good chance that the NFL doesn't play a season in 2011, what other decision could he make? From his perspective, he's not passing up any money, because he can't get a signing bonus until there's a new CBA anyway. And as a competitor, wouldn't you want to get better? How is not playing for a year going to accomplish that? Personally, I think Luck will wind up a lot more like Peyton Manning or Sam Bradford than Brian Brohm or Jake Locker, but we'll see.
nedboy7 Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 OMG. now what you couch coaches? how will the bills survive without Luck? There goes us trading everything to move up 2 spots to pick the next great hype.
Stl Bills Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Put it towards your Bills tickets - you're gonna LOVE Ryan Mallett! . God I hope not.....he's gonna get killed with that slow release.
The Avenger Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I'm all for a guy staying and getting a degree, but let's be realistic here. As much as he should have a degree his livlihood is not going to depend on it - they guy's going to be a football player, not an architect. As such he should go for the best deal he can get. If you know you're going to be drafted #1 overall why go back? Things can't get any better - they can only get worse for you - an injury could lose you your shot at ever making it big. Great to stay and get the degree, but I don't think that's the best choice in this situation.
Koufax Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Good for him, and good decision. He will play in the NFL barring catastrophe, and now he will have a degree as well as a chance at a national championship and a Heisman. This is only bad for the Bills 2011 draft. We were not going to get Luck, but he was going to assure that we got one of the top two other players on the board. Now we get one of the top three players on the board. I'm hoping Carolina and Denver do things we wouldn't and we still get the guy that Buddy would take #1, but if Fairley and Bowers go 1/2 we won't be feeling so good about this in a couple months. Now, in a round about way, this could be good for us in 2012. It makes for a deeper QB draft, and means that a top QB could fall to our #11 or whatever slot. Way too soon to worry about that, but I'm just saying that while this makes 2011 worse, it could have a positive effect in 2012. I think we pass on QB at #3 (unless Chan and Buddy have a really different opinion than I do on one of the guys available), and if we have value in round 2 Chan can take a project, and otherwise we can wait until 2012 to draft a QB and know that the 2012 QB class got deeper today. Now let's get a bunch of good football players!
ko12010 Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I am not sure that we should assume that he will go #1 next year. He may not have as great a season, or get injured, or other great players might show up (QB, DE, OL, RB) etc. In other words, we might not need to be first in the draft order to get Luck. Having said that, I'd be surprised if he dropped lower than #5. I have to say that his decision only heightens my respect for him. I am a college professor, and take education seriously. I am really pleased by the message this sends to young kids in America. But why couldn't Luck have just finished his degree with some online classes or done something else? Obviously it would take a little longer with the extensive workload involved with being in the NFL but very do-able. He could have sent a bette message that you can strive for greatness and do both instead of just choosing football or school. He has his whole life to get a degree. He won't ever be a 100% lock at #1 ever again.
Mr. WEO Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 If only every kid in America had the same opportunity with which Luck is taking a gamble. It's not like he can never finish his degree. Bradford, like Peyton Manning, had the same coaches throughout their careers. Huge difference. Not to mention many of Harbaugh's recruits may go elsewhere. I agree. Yeah. But then there's that Mike Leach thing. Stanford's net coach won't mess with Luck. Carolina's satement had nothing to do with this. Senator isn't the only onw who said Luck wouldn't come out.
VirginiaMike Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 This is bad for Buffalo. Not that the Bills would have been able to get Luck, but now it's possible that two top defensive players will be off the board before the Bills select, not just one.
Stl Bills Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Now we have a chance albeit small to get him next year. And also, it's about regret. Now Nix and Gailey can operate without the regret of having missed out on Luck and letting Carolina out-maneuver them to get the #1 pick. They won't go on tilt and make even worse personnel decisions. They can operate with a sound mind. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Ok so lets assume Luck doesn't get hurt or totally crap the bed next year and is still regarded as a top 1 or 2 QB. In order to get him we would have really suck again this year and not make any progress towards being a better team. You would want that? And how would Gailey and Nix have regret about Luck being drafted 2 picks ahead of them. You'd have regret if you had a player in your lap, like Haloti Ngata and instead pick Donte Whitner. That's when you have regret. Anyway, all it means is that every other player moved up one spot on Denver and Carolina's draft board since Luck was clearly the consensus number 1. I'm not saying Denver would have drafted him but if he was there at 2, they more than likely would have gotten a King's Ransom for trading that pick. If he would have entered the draft there is no way he wouldn't be drafted before us and now we have a worse shot at getting a guy like Fairley. Edited January 6, 2011 by Stl Bills
VirginiaMike Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 How hilarious would this be if we went 0-16 just to draft him? PTR Not very funny at all
truth on hold Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 the other odd thing about luck is the uncertainty over Cardinals coach next year. im just shocked about this. maybe he thinks the new rookie cap will be a lot higher next year? or there wont be one? call me cynical but i see a money angle in here somewhere
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I am overjoyed!!! There is a chance we could get this kid next year now... What a miracle...
Big Turk Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Yeah, unless he values his education. One bad break or Russelling it could send him into the regular world. With only half a college education he has to go back to college. Staying and finishing he gets to walk away with little worries. the purpose of an education is to get a better job to make more money. No offense but he is not going to be asked mechanical engineering questions when he overthrows a WR on the field...educations are great, but they are great for a reason, and that reason is to make more money at a better job. If its that important he can go online and read everything there is to know about mechanical engineering and get every book out of the library...you get the same knowledge and you don't have to pass up 60 million to do it...
Ozymandius Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Ok so lets assume Luck doesn't get hurt or totally crap the bed next year and is still regarded as a top 1 or 2 QB. In order to get him we would have really suck again this year and not make any progress towards being a better team. You would want that? And how would Gailey and Nix have regret about Luck being drafted 2 picks ahead of them. You'd have regret if you had a player in your lap, like Haloti Ngata and instead pick Donte Whitner. That's when you have regret. Anyway, all it means is that every other player moved up one spot on Denver and Carolina's draft board since Luck was clearly the consensus number 1. I'm not saying Denver would have drafted him but if he was there at 2, they more than likely would have gotten a King's Ransom for trading that pick. If he would have entered the draft there is no way he wouldn't be drafted before us and now we have a worse shot at getting a guy like Fairley. You have never played poker then. Sometimes when you receive a bad beat or get outmaneuvered by an opponent, you go on tilt and end up quickly blowing your entire chipstack. Carolina outmaneuvered everyone by tanking on purpose when they trotted out Jimmy Clausen to go under center every week. Gailey and Nix would be seething and CONSUMED by the fact that they came close to Luck but another organization showed better moxie. There's no way their personnel decisions this offseason wouldn't have suffered. But now, they can rest easy knowing that they didn't lose anything at all. Carolina's front office is now on tilt.
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