vincec Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) I he does declare (he won't), I'd give up nothing - I'd be happy if Carolina takes him at #1, so we can grab Mallett. I was trying to figure out yesterday... why wouldn't he declare? He would be the #1 pick so there's no where to go but down and why risk all that $ to come back for another season? He's only a sophomore so he still wouldn't graduate. He can always complete college later anyway. It's not just an injury to worry about. What if he has a mediocre season after Harbaugh leaves? He will cost himself lots of $ like Brohm did. Edited January 4, 2011 by vincec
8-8 Forever? Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Draft picks are valuated. Look up those values and you can pretty much figure out what it would cost in terms of picks. Swap 1sts this year, 2nd round this year, 1 round next year. Yep, thats the deal. They get our 1 and 2 this year and our 1 next year. And that may not get it done. But it probably will, assuming Carolina is interested in giving up Luck in the first place.
K Gun Special Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 I was trying to figure out yesterday... why wouldn't he declare? He would be the #1 pick so there's no where to go but down and why risk all that $ to come back for another season? He's only a sophomore so he still wouldn't graduate. He can always complete college later anyway. It's not just an injury to worry about. What if he has a mediocre season after Harbaugh leaves? He will cost himself lots of $ like Brohm did. Senator does this in every luck thread. says he wont declare and then touts his buddy Mallett.
BuffaloWings Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 I was trying to figure out yesterday... why wouldn't he declare? He would be the #1 pick so there's no where to go but down and why risk all that $ to come back for another season? He's only a sophomore so he still wouldn't graduate. He can always complete college later anyway. It's not just an injury to worry about. What if he has a mediocre season after Harbaugh leaves? He will cost himself lots of $ like Brohm did. How much do you want to bet that someone is telling him what happened with Jake Locker - stock was high last year and he decided to stay. Now it's no guarantee that he'll be a first round pick. I think Luck declares. Personally, I like to see athletes graduate first. However, there's too much pressure these days to go get your money now. Luck can't turn down this opportunity.
thewildrabbit Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Luck scares me, he looks kinda like ....Ryan Leaf If the status quo remains the same at OBD it won't matter who the Bills draft....anyone will be a gamble because this FO is clueless Anyway, anything Luck does will mostly depend on if Harbaugh stays or leaves Stanford, JMO
mattsox Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 I am just curious at what the answers are..... If Luck truly is a potential star at QB.....what would you give up Nothing. Hold you're ground at Numero 3. Broncos and Panthers already drafted QBs. The odds of them doing so again are doubtful. If he falls to you. Then we LUCKED out. Yeah. I know bad pun
VirginiaMike Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 would not give up anything -- the team needs alot more than Luck.
Vinny4sum Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 No way he gets past Denver. Denver needs a coach and a QB, plus they can add picks by dumping either Orton or Tebow. I think they keep Tebow unless they get a great offer. Carolina also needs a coach and QB, so another opportunity for a package deal. Carolina could use the help since the team could use some marketing news. They can then try to move Claussen for picks. This makes moving up harder as neither team is motivated to move out of their pick.
The Senator Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 I was trying to figure out yesterday... why wouldn't he declare? He would be the #1 pick so there's no where to go but down and why risk all that $ to come back for another season? He's only a sophomore so he still wouldn't graduate. He can always complete college later anyway. It's not just an injury to worry about. What if he has a mediocre season after Harbaugh leaves? He will cost himself lots of $ like Brohm did. Academically, he's in his Junior year and due to graduate next year. Personally, I think Luck's value will only increase after he completes his college career next season. IMO, the only risk to him in his Senior year (academically, that is - football-wise he'll be a red-shirt Junior this Fall) would not be a Jake-Locker-like fall from grace, but a Greg-Romeus-type injury disaster.
papazoid Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 you trade up for luck at any price. even if it means giving up next years #1 (or more) in addition to swapping #1's this year....STOP LOOKING at next years #1 as losing something.....all your doing is FREEING UP salary cap space that can still be used on a free agent.
The Senator Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 you trade up for luck at any price. even if it means giving up next years #1 (or more) in addition to swapping #1's this year....STOP LOOKING at next years #1 as losing something.....all your doing is FREEING UP salary cap space that can still be used on a free agent. OK - saying (hypothetically, of course) Luck's enters this 2011 draft (he won't) - what if Carolina wants him as badly as you do? How do you trade up, if they don't want to trade down?
K Gun Special Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 I dont think Carolina trades the pick. Has a #1 overall pick ever been traded?
CodeMonkey Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) All of these discussions about taking Luck, trading up for Luck etc. etc. are predicated on the fact that if he was drafted by Buffalo he would agree to play with Buffalo and not pull a Elway/Manning and say "F U ... trade me". Given the state of the Bills and in particular their offensive line, I might well walk away from Buffalo right now if I were him. That tactic worked out pretty well for both Elway and Manning. There is no way you mortgage the rest of your draft by trading up and take someone that won't play for you. Just sayin. Edited January 4, 2011 by CodeMonkey
papazoid Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) OK - saying (hypothetically, of course) Luck's enters this 2011 draft (he won't) - what if Carolina wants him as badly as you do? How do you trade up, if they don't want to trade down? you make them an offer they can't refuse ?....where's Jimmy Spags ? as long as Carolina doesn't get Harbaugh as Head Coach (which i would do if i owned the team)....i think at some point you could make an offer where they would say yes....i'm serious, give them TWO extra #1's..i don't care....they are just salary cap slots.....i am much more protective of my second round picks anyways...thats were the best bang for the buck is risk/talent/salary. Hell, Carolina was already stupid enough to trade away this years 2nd round pick (33rd overall) to New England for their third round pick last year. They may want this year's #2 & #3 picks and swap #1 picks....i'd do that too. **(The Patriots also will have the first pick of the second round (No. 33 overall) thanks to a draft-day trade with the Carolina Panthers a year ago. The Patriots traded a third-round pick in 2010 the No. 89 overall pick for a second-round pick in 2011, and that trade looked better and better every time the 2-14 Panthers lost a game this season.) Edited January 4, 2011 by papazoid
The Wiz Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 I dont think Carolina trades the pick. Has a #1 overall pick ever been traded? I don't know if the pick has ever been traded but I do know that the player picked has had their rights traded soon after the pick. Two that I can think of off the top of my head: John Elway - drafted by the Baltimore colts and refused to join the team and was traded to the Broncos* Eli Manning - drafted by the Chargers and then traded to NYG for Rivers and other picks. *Interesting fact, Elway was apparently at the time of his drafting playing minor league ball for the Yankees and was going to pursue a career in baseball if he wasn't traded from Baltimore.
jumbalaya Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Let's look at this from the Panthers point of view. If you think the next Peyton Manning or John Elway is sitting there would you trade out of the position for a handful of draft picks or players? Answer is no. So end this discussion. Luck may be that guy.
K Gun Special Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 I don't know if the pick has ever been traded but I do know that the player picked has had their rights traded soon after the pick. Two that I can think of off the top of my head: John Elway - drafted by the Baltimore colts and refused to join the team and was traded to the Broncos* Eli Manning - drafted by the Chargers and then traded to NYG for Rivers and other picks. *Interesting fact, Elway was apparently at the time of his drafting playing minor league ball for the Yankees and was going to pursue a career in baseball if he wasn't traded from Baltimore. Interesting. Its too bad but i dont see the panthers giving this guy up.
papazoid Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) Let's look at this from the Panthers point of view. If you think the next Peyton Manning or John Elway is sitting there would you trade out of the position for a handful of draft picks or players? Answer is no. So end this discussion. Luck may be that guy. a legitimate arguement can be made either way regarding which has more value....keeping the pick or trading it for more picks.....there is risk/reward either way....you won't know for years who was right or used their picks wisely....lots of folks consider the #1 overall pick a curse and tried to trade out (but wasn't offered enough in return)...ya never know, carolina may value more picks. Edited January 4, 2011 by papazoid
billieve420 Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 Michael Lombardi at NFL.com is reporting that Carolina may stick with Clausen and not draft a QB next year. If Luck declares that probably wont prevent them from selecting him but they may be open to trading him for additional picks. If that becomes the case I would do whatever is necessary to grab him. Lee Evans and our #1 pick for the rights to Luck. I believe Steve Smith is a FA and their WR group needs a serious upgrade. AJ green and Lee Evans would be a good 1-2 combination. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d6e4ed/article/playoff-field-set-but-some-teams-can-already-call-it-a-season?module=HP_cp2
The Senator Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) a legitimate arguement can be made either way regarding which has more value....keeping the pick or trading it for more picks.....there is risk/reward either way....you won't know for years who was right or used their picks wisely....lots of folks consider the #1 overall pick a curse and tried to trade out (but wasn't offered enough in return)...ya never know, carolina may value more picks. The Bills may also value more picks. Assuming, for a moment, something that absolutely will not happen - Luck enters this year's draft - and you're Carolina: would YOU trade the #1 pick? Edited January 4, 2011 by The Senator
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