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Lee Evans is making 8 and a half mil next year. That's too much, in my opinion. While, I wouldn't cut him, I say we trade him to a contending team. That money would be better spent in the trenches.

Or we dump the slug and pick up an un-drafted free agent that outperforms him for $375,000/yr.

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Someone out of the O-line dance will probably be cut. Urbik, Wrotto, Pears, Rhinehart constitutes the "list", so one, maybe two of these guys will get a thanks for the memories letter sometime in the offseason. If I were to guess, Pears and Rhinehart are the likely goners! The John McCargo sentiment is strong, and I'm inclined to agree with that one. Does Ashton Youboty have a place on this team, going forward? I think NOT, so he is liable to be sent on his way. Levi Brown? Brian Brohm, after yesterday? Jon Corto? Jaruu Caulcrick? Aaron Maybin, when his Head Coach said his place on the team is tenuious. Re-sign Whitner? Again, the Head Coach said his place on the team is.... you guessed it, tenuious!! Stroud might be scheme sensitive IF the Bills go back to a 4-3 defense (DT). Otherwise, yes, he can take a hike too!

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Keep Kelsay. He's better than the guys behind him, cut the guys behind him, and sign/draft a guy to put in front of him.

 

You people wanting to get rid of all of our ok players instead of all of our bad players are absolutely nutty.

 

Keep the solid guys, get rid of the bad guys, put good guys in front of the solid guys. Depth is very important.

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Cut List

Stroud

Maybin

McCargo

Green ( The RT )

Meridith

 

Then In FA I pick up a Stud LB and Tight end, and a couple depth players.

 

In Draft I go

1st pick Hopefully trade down and get an additional 3rd.

1st- DE

2nd - LB

3rd - LB

3rd - Offensive Tackle

4th - DE

4th - DT

5th - Offensive Tackle

6th - DT

7th - Best Avaliable

 

Amen here, Green is definately cut but the trade down idea is one I very much like. Arizona and Washington are two teams who will be desperate for a QB. Get some real value with this pick by parlaying it into several picks.

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So cut cut cut.

 

Cut Evans, cut Stroud... So we can use the money elsewhere. HAHAHAHAH... We really broke the bank last year. Oh wait.

 

 

Bills have whacked money and dumped salary by getting rid of players. Name the big time player we brought in to replace any of the guys we got rid of? The Bills were 25 million under the supposed cap. Do you think the Bills are going to open the check book up and sign some players? NO! Keep dreaming. It is not going to happen. So wave good bye to Donte Whitner. 25 years old. Because why? Because "WE" can save 2 million dollars that we wont spend anywhere else. Is Whitner amazing? No. Is he solid. Yes. How many holes do the fans want to create? This strategy of creating holes by dumping players has worked so well we will be drafting 3rd. congrats! So yeah. Lets cut Evans, let Donte leave... So we can draft a defensive back or Wide Receiver. Still have the same crap front 7 and the same crap offensive line. Still have the same mediocre QB. But yeah. Lets whack away and cut the few half decent players we have. We have so many to begin with. Oh wait. Thats right. New England and the Jets just embarassed us. Espn announcers laughing at us for that performance yesterday on SportCenter. They didnt need Sanchez. They didnt need Sanchez to play becasue they knew their backups would destroy the Buffalo Bills.

 

So the saving money to spend later strategy is a joke. Cheer for another team that actually employs that strategy if you are going to keep saying I would rather save the money. First of all. It is not your money. Is Ralph going to write you a check to go buy some drapes at Walmart? No. Sorry.. Is Ralph going to lower your tix prices because he spent less? Nope. Saved 25 million and had you guys cheering him on.

 

So can we leave Lee Evans alone and maybe embrace Donte Whitner. Unline most of the rest of the players in the NFL they actually want to play in Buffalo. They are actually wanting to stay and try and right the ship. They are not the Superstars that you want them to be. They are good football players and like I mentioned. We dont have very many good football players.

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Keep Kelsay. He's better than the guys behind him, cut the guys behind him, and sign/draft a guy to put in front of him.

 

You people wanting to get rid of all of our ok players instead of all of our bad players are absolutely nutty.

 

Keep the solid guys, get rid of the bad guys, put good guys in front of the solid guys. Depth is very important.

 

EGG-ZACTLY!!

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So cut cut cut.

 

Cut Evans, cut Stroud... So we can use the money elsewhere. HAHAHAHAH... We really broke the bank last year. Oh wait.

 

 

Bills have whacked money and dumped salary by getting rid of players. Name the big time player we brought in to replace any of the guys we got rid of? The Bills were 25 million under the supposed cap. Do you think the Bills are going to open the check book up and sign some players? NO! Keep dreaming. It is not going to happen. So wave good bye to Donte Whitner. 25 years old. Because why? Because "WE" can save 2 million dollars that we wont spend anywhere else. Is Whitner amazing? No. Is he solid. Yes. How many holes do the fans want to create? This strategy of creating holes by dumping players has worked so well we will be drafting 3rd. congrats! So yeah. Lets cut Evans, let Donte leave... So we can draft a defensive back or Wide Receiver. Still have the same crap front 7 and the same crap offensive line. Still have the same mediocre QB. But yeah. Lets whack away and cut the few half decent players we have. We have so many to begin with. Oh wait. Thats right. New England and the Jets just embarassed us. Espn announcers laughing at us for that performance yesterday on SportCenter. They didnt need Sanchez. They didnt need Sanchez to play becasue they knew their backups would destroy the Buffalo Bills.

 

So the saving money to spend later strategy is a joke. Cheer for another team that actually employs that strategy if you are going to keep saying I would rather save the money. First of all. It is not your money. Is Ralph going to write you a check to go buy some drapes at Walmart? No. Sorry.. Is Ralph going to lower your tix prices because he spent less? Nope. Saved 25 million and had you guys cheering him on.

 

So can we leave Lee Evans alone and maybe embrace Donte Whitner. Unline most of the rest of the players in the NFL they actually want to play in Buffalo. They are actually wanting to stay and try and right the ship. They are not the Superstars that you want them to be. They are good football players and like I mentioned. We dont have very many good football players.

 

 

First of all...I don't remember reading any posts that suggested we cut Lee Evans. There has been some trade speculation, but no talk of cutting him to my knowledge. Personally, I would entertain any trade offers at this point, regardless of the player. The Whitner issue is a different story. He has been an average player in the NFL, and wants to be paid like he is one of the better safeties in the league. If he is not willing to be a little more realistic with his asking price, then we have George Wilson waiting in the wings to take over his position. I don't see much of a drop-off in talent there. So you can "embrace" all of the players that you want. I will be in favor of cutting/trading any player who does not fit into our future plans.

 

Keep Kelsay. He's better than the guys behind him, cut the guys behind him, and sign/draft a guy to put in front of him.

 

You people wanting to get rid of all of our ok players instead of all of our bad players are absolutely nutty.

 

Keep the solid guys, get rid of the bad guys, put good guys in front of the solid guys. Depth is very important.

 

Dude...Kelsey is terrible. Horrible in coverage, horrible against the run, cannot shed blocks. Did you actually watch him play this season? We can bring in players via free agency or the draft to add depth to our linebacker corps. Why keep the dead weight?

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Maybin is only 21 - bet they don't waive him yet

 

According to several internet sources he was born in April of 1988.

 

Wouldn't that make him 23 by the time next season rolls in?

 

I grant that many players aren't drafted until they are 23. But we don't have to hold a roster spot for them.

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Stroud, McCargo, Kelsey, & Maybin come to mind for me :thumbsup:

 

Kelsay got too much money...He is not getting cut. Plus they need to figure a way to put him back as a DE, not as a LB defending a TE in space.

 

Why is it that all these cut lists have only players on defense. What has the offense done to have all the starters be retained. I believe Parrish will be gone due to Nelson, and Jones developing. I am also not sold on Hangartner.

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The offseason starts today for the Bills. The mock drafts are already flowing and fights over who the Bills need to add via the draft and free agency have already begun. But before the Bills front office can go out filling holes and working to improve the team it has to first fully evaluate the roster it already has. Part of that process is cutting the dead weight and moving on. So who would you cut from the Bills who is under contract for 2011?

 

Interesting thought question.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, for your cutting pleasure, I present to you the Bills Roster, alphabetized including IR.

Either bold the ones you keep, or italicize/line out the ones you cut.

I hope the tabulating works - I read "help" and changed my text editor.

I will have the bad form to reply to my own post in order to leave an un-edited version for my buds on TBD.

Enjoy!

 

# Name Pos. Wt. Age Exp. College

50 Ayodele, Akin LB 245 31 9 Purdue

94 Balogun, Mike LB 250 27 R Oklahoma

57 Batten, Danny LB 250 23 R South Dakota State

77 Bell, Demetrius OL 307 26 2 Northwestern State

4 Brohm, Brian QB 223 25 1 Louisville

74 Brown, Colin OL 335 25 2 Missouri

10 Brown, Levi QB 225 23 R Troy

31 Byrd, Jairus S 200 24 2 Oregon

92 Carrington, Alex DE 284 23 R Arkansas State

30 Caulcrick, Jehuu FB 250 27 1 Michigan State

82 Caussin, Mike TE 252 23 R James Madison

84 Chandler, Scott TE 272 25 2 Iowa

59 Coleman, Antonio LB 248 24 R Auburn

27 Corner, Reggie CB 175 27 3 Akron

33 Corto, Jon S 220 26 3 Sacred Heart

54 Davis, Andra LB 251 32 9 Florida

81 Easley, Marcus WR 207 23 R Connecticut

98 Edwards, Dwan DE 290 29 6 Oregon State

56 Ellison, Keith LB 229 26 5 Oregon State

83 Evans, Lee WR 197 29 7 Wisconsin

14 Fitzpatrick, Ryan QB 225 28 5 Harvard

29 Florence, Drayton CB 195 30 8 Tuskegee

25 Ganther, Quinton RB 220 26 5 Utah

63 Hangartner, Geoff OL 301 28 6 Texas A&M

72 Heard, Kellen DT 355 25 R Memphis

68 Howard, Cordaro OL 314 23 R Georgia Tech

17 Hubbard, Paul WR 225 25 1 Wisconsin

15 Huggins, Felton WR 186 27 1 Southeastern Louisia

22 Jackson, Fred RB 215 29 4 Coe College

91 Johnson, Spencer DE 286 29 7 Auburn

13 Johnson, Steve WR 202 24 3 Kentucky

19 Jones, Donald WR 214 23 R Youngstown State

90 Kelsay, Chris LB 261 31 8 Nebraska

67 Levitre, Andy OL 305 24 2 Oregon State

9 Lindell, Rian K 233 33 11 Washington State

80 Martin, David TE 265 31 10 Tennessee

58 Maybin, Aaron LB 250 22 2 Penn State

97 McCargo, John DE 307 27 5 NC State

24 McGee, Terrence CB 198 30 8 Northwestern State

38 McIntyre, Corey FB 245 31 6 West Virginia

28 McKelvin , Leodis CB 184 25 3 Troy

55 Merriman, Shawne LB 265 26 6 Maryland

52 Moats, Arthur LB 250 22 R James Madison

8 Moorman, Brian P 172 34 10 Pittsburg State

86 Nelson, David WR 217 24 R Florida

89 Nelson, Shawn TE 240 25 2 Southern Mississippi

11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 178 28 6 Miami

79 Pears, Erik OL 305 28 5 Colorado State

51 Posluszny, Paul LB 238 26 4 Penn State

76 Rinehart, Chad OL 307 25 3 Northern Iowa

18 Roosevelt, Naaman WR 189 23 R Buffalo

45 Russell, John LB 260 23 R Wake Forest

65 Sanborn, Garrison LS 253 25 2 Florida State

43 Scott, Bryan S 219 29 8 Penn State

21 Spiller, C.J. RB 196 23 R Clemson

99 Stroud, Marcus DE 310 32 10 Georgia

88 Stupar, Jonathan TE 254 26 2 Virginia

53 Torbor, Reggie LB 250 29 7 Auburn

96 Troup, Torell NT 315 22 R Central Florida

60 Urbik, Kraig OL 323 25 2 Wisconsin

71 Wang, Ed OL 301 23 R Virginia Tech

20 Whitner, Donte S 208 25 5 Ohio State

95 Williams, Kyle NT 306 27 5 LSU

37 Wilson, George S 212 29 5 Arkansas

70 Wood, Eric OL 315 24 2 Louisville

49 Woods, Pierre LB 255 28 5 Michigan

61 Wrotto, Mansfield OL 313 26 4 Georgia Tech

26 Youboty, Ashton CB 189 26 5 Ohio State

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Bold = Keep

Struck out = Gone

Italics = see what else is out there

Normal = need more information/evaluation

 

Most rookies I know nothing about got "normal"

Brohm. He's not a bad QB. Gailey said it: if he had a lot more experience, the speed of the game wouldn't be too much for him.

He's the backup. He's not going to get the playing experience he needs to be able to come in and play as the backup. Catch-22.

Do a Belicheck: Bring in late rounders and UDFA and let them play off against Levi Brown. Put the best on the roster and the 2nd best on the practice squad.

Chandler. Shawn Nelson. Stupar. Bring in a real tight end. Bring in a lot of UDFA TE if you like, and see if one sticks.

Ellison, McCargo, Woods.

 

A lot of DL on the team, I would want to see what else is available and cut or keep on that basis.

 

There are only 28 players I'm sure I want to bring into training camp (bold) and I don't think they all make the roster.

Flame on!

 

# Name Pos. Wt. Age Exp. College

50 Ayodele, Akin LB 245 31 9 Purdue

94 Balogun, Mike LB 250 27 R Oklahoma

57 Batten, Danny LB 250 23 R South Dakota State

77 Bell, Demetrius OL 307 26 2 Northwestern State

4 Brohm, Brian QB 223 25 1 Louisville

74 Brown, Colin OL 335 25 2 Missouri

10 Brown, Levi QB 225 23 R Troy

31 Byrd, Jairus S 200 24 2 Oregon

92 Carrington, Alex DE 284 23 R Arkansas State

30 Caulcrick, Jehuu FB 250 27 1 Michigan State

82 Caussin, Mike TE 252 23 R James Madison

84 Chandler, Scott TE 272 25 2 Iowa

59 Coleman, Antonio LB 248 24 R Auburn

27 Corner, Reggie CB 175 27 3 Akron

33 Corto, Jon S 220 26 3 Sacred Heart

54 Davis, Andra LB 251 32 9 Florida

81 Easley, Marcus WR 207 23 R Connecticut

98 Edwards, Dwan DE 290 29 6 Oregon State

56 Ellison, Keith LB 229 26 5 Oregon State

83 Evans, Lee WR 197 29 7 Wisconsin

14 Fitzpatrick, Ryan QB 225 28 5 Harvard :blush:

29 Florence, Drayton CB 195 30 8 Tuskegee

25 Ganther, Quinton RB 220 26 5 Utah

63 Hangartner, Geoff OL 301 28 6 Texas A&M

72 Heard, Kellen DT 355 25 R Memphis

68 Howard, Cordaro OL 314 23 R Georgia Tech

17 Hubbard, Paul WR 225 25 1 Wisconsin

15 Huggins, Felton WR 186 27 1 Southeastern Louisia

22 Jackson, Fred RB 215 29 4 Coe College :blush:

91 Johnson, Spencer DE 286 29 7 Auburn

13 Johnson, Steve WR 202 24 3 Kentucky

19 Jones, Donald WR 214 23 R Youngstown State

90 Kelsay, Chris LB 261 31 8 Nebraska

67 Levitre, Andy OL 305 24 2 Oregon State

9 Lindell, Rian K 233 33 11 Washington State

80 Martin, David TE 265 31 10 Tennessee

58 Maybin, Aaron LB 250 22 2 Penn State

97 McCargo, John DE 307 27 5 NC State

24 McGee, Terrence CB 198 30 8 Northwestern State

38 McIntyre, Corey FB 245 31 6 West Virginia :blush:

28 McKelvin , Leodis CB 184 25 3 Troy

55 Merriman, Shawne LB 265 26 6 Maryland

52 Moats, Arthur LB 250 22 R James Madison

8 Moorman, Brian P 172 34 10 Pittsburg State

86 Nelson, David WR 217 24 R Florida :blush:

89 Nelson, Shawn TE 240 25 2 Southern Mississippi

11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 178 28 6 Miami :blush:

79 Pears, Erik OL 305 28 5 Colorado State

51 Posluszny, Paul LB 238 26 4 Penn State

76 Rinehart, Chad OL 307 25 3 Northern Iowa

18 Roosevelt, Naaman WR 189 23 R Buffalo

45 Russell, John LB 260 23 R Wake Forest

65 Sanborn, Garrison LS 253 25 2 Florida State

43 Scott, Bryan S 219 29 8 Penn State

21 Spiller, C.J. RB 196 23 R Clemson

99 Stroud, Marcus DE 310 32 10 Georgia

88 Stupar, Jonathan TE 254 26 2 Virginia

53 Torbor, Reggie LB 250 29 7 Auburn

96 Troup, Torell NT 315 22 R Central Florida

60 Urbik, Kraig OL 323 25 2 Wisconsin

71 Wang, Ed OL 301 23 R Virginia Tech

20 Whitner, Donte S 208 25 5 Ohio State

95 Williams, Kyle NT 306 27 5 LSU :blush:

37 Wilson, George S 212 29 5 Arkansas

70 Wood, Eric OL 315 24 2 Louisville :blush:

49 Woods, Pierre LB 255 28 5 Michigan

61 Wrotto, Mansfield OL 313 26 4 Georgia Tech

26 Youboty, Ashton CB 189 26 5 Ohio State

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Or we dump the slug and pick up an un-drafted free agent that outperforms him for $375,000/yr.

 

It's not your money. And it's not like the Bills would spend it elsewhere. Notice how Stevie only had 1td when Lee went out?

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Of the known players on the Bills roster, the Bills could cut all of the following and be no worse for the wear. They save some money here and there (Evans, Stroud, McGee, Parrish, Whitner) and give up on the ones that have not shown anything (Maybin, McCargo and Nelson). Nelson just p!ssed away another season. Parrish and McGee are the only ones I could make an exception for. But Parrish never did anything explosive on offense. WRs are a dime a dozen. Why pay for one that is too small and has never made an explosive play on offense in six years, not one game breaking play and explosive plays are the only reason you keep a Smurf around. Besides we have a new Smurf that can't make an explosive play on offense name of CJ. McGee has always been overrated by this board as a DB and he is showing a lot of wear and tear and it is time to give Ashton Y playing time. Dump Brohm, and I was one of those hoping he could find it under Chan, a decent vet QB will be available sometime this offseason and I'd grab them to back up Fitz. Hopefully Orton or Shaun Hill. If the guys below were not on our team this year I bet our record would have been about 4-12.

 

4 Brohm, Brian QB 223 25 1 Louisville

56 Ellison, Keith LB 229 26 5 Oregon State

83 Evans, Lee WR 197 29 7 Wisconsin

58 Maybin, Aaron LB 250 22 2 Penn State

97 McCargo, John DE 307 27 5 NC State

24 McGee, Terrence CB 198 30 8 Northwestern State

89 Nelson, Shawn TE 240 25 2 Southern Mississippi

11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 178 28 6 Miami

99 Stroud, Marcus DE 310 32 10 Georgia

88 Stupar, Jonathan TE 254 26 2 Virginia

20 Whitner, Donte S 208 25 5 Ohio State

Posted

It's not your money. And it's not like the Bills would spend it elsewhere. Notice how Stevie only had 1td when Lee went out?

I noticed that too. I also noticed both safeties playing much closer to the line while also blitzing more.

Posted

It's not your money. And it's not like the Bills would spend it elsewhere. Notice how Stevie only had 1td when Lee went out?

He would have had two and we would have beat the Steelers if God had not intervened.

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He would have had two and we would have beat the Steelers if God had not intervened.

 

True

Edited by stony
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To truly rebuild, just like when a new manager comes in to take over a store with poor results, you need to figure out 2 things. The first, and most important thing, IMHO, is figuring out who needs to get off the bus. Basically the people who are dragging everyone else down. Bills have no shortage of these type of players. Then they need to figure out who they want on the bus.

 

So, the first thing to do is to get the wrong people off the bus and replace them by letting the right people on the bus.

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I'll play

 

# Name Pos. Wt. Age Exp. College

50 Ayodele, Akin LB 245 31 9 Purdue

94 Balogun, Mike LB 250 27 R Oklahoma

57 Batten, Danny LB 250 23 R South Dakota State

77 Bell, Demetrius OL 307 26 2 Northwestern State

4 Brohm, Brian QB 223 25 1 Louisville

74 Brown, Colin OL 335 25 2 Missouri

10 Brown, Levi QB 225 23 R Troy

31 Byrd, Jairus S 200 24 2 Oregon

92 Carrington, Alex DE 284 23 R Arkansas State

30 Caulcrick, Jehuu FB 250 27 1 Michigan State

82 Caussin, Mike TE 252 23 R James Madison

84 Chandler, Scott TE 272 25 2 Iowa

59 Coleman, Antonio LB 248 24 R Auburn

27 Corner, Reggie CB 175 27 3 Akron

33 Corto, Jon S 220 26 3 Sacred Heart

54 Davis, Andra LB 251 32 9 Florida

81 Easley, Marcus WR 207 23 R Connecticut

98 Edwards, Dwan DE 290 29 6 Oregon State

56 Ellison, Keith LB 229 26 5 Oregon State

83 Evans, Lee WR 197 29 7 Wisconsin

14 Fitzpatrick, Ryan QB 225 28 5 Harvard

29 Florence, Drayton CB 195 30 8 Tuskegee

25 Ganther, Quinton RB 220 26 5 Utah

63 Hangartner, Geoff OL 301 28 6 Texas A&M

72 Heard, Kellen DT 355 25 R Memphis

68 Howard, Cordaro OL 314 23 R Georgia Tech

17 Hubbard, Paul WR 225 25 1 Wisconsin

15 Huggins, Felton WR 186 27 1 Southeastern Louisia

22 Jackson, Fred RB 215 29 4 Coe College

91 Johnson, Spencer DE 286 29 7 Auburn

13 Johnson, Steve WR 202 24 3 Kentucky

19 Jones, Donald WR 214 23 R Youngstown State

90 Kelsay, Chris LB 261 31 8 Nebraska

67 Levitre, Andy OL 305 24 2 Oregon State

9 Lindell, Rian K 233 33 11 Washington State

80 Martin, David TE 265 31 10 Tennessee

58 Maybin, Aaron LB 250 22 2 Penn State- unless we can get something decent for him

97 McCargo, John DE 307 27 5 NC State

24 McGee, Terrence CB 198 30 8 Northwestern State

38 McIntyre, Corey FB 245 31 6 West Virginia

28 McKelvin , Leodis CB 184 25 3 Troy

55 Merriman, Shawne LB 265 26 6 Maryland

52 Moats, Arthur LB 250 22 R James Madison

8 Moorman, Brian P 172 34 10 Pittsburg State

86 Nelson, David WR 217 24 R Florida

89 Nelson, Shawn TE 240 25 2 Southern Mississippi

11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 178 28 6 Miami

79 Pears, Erik OL 305 28 5 Colorado State

51 Posluszny, Paul LB 238 26 4 Penn State

76 Rinehart, Chad OL 307 25 3 Northern Iowa

18 Roosevelt, Naaman WR 189 23 R Buffalo

45 Russell, John LB 260 23 R Wake Forest

65 Sanborn, Garrison LS 253 25 2 Florida State

43 Scott, Bryan S 219 29 8 Penn State

21 Spiller, C.J. RB 196 23 R Clemson

99 Stroud, Marcus DE 310 32 10 Georgia

88 Stupar, Jonathan TE 254 26 2 Virginia

53 Torbor, Reggie LB 250 29 7 Auburn

96 Troup, Torell NT 315 22 R Central Florida

60 Urbik, Kraig OL 323 25 2 Wisconsin

71 Wang, Ed OL 301 23 R Virginia Tech

20 Whitner, Donte S 208 25 5 Ohio State

95 Williams, Kyle NT 306 27 5 LSU

37 Wilson, George S 212 29 5 Arkansas

70 Wood, Eric OL 315 24 2 Louisville

49 Woods, Pierre LB 255 28 5 Michigan

61 Wrotto, Mansfield OL 313 26 4 Georgia Tech

26 Youboty, Ashton CB 189 26 5 Ohio State

 

Bolds I would keep. Others I don't really care much about, though obviously we can't cut all of them

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