PromoTheRobot Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Our D is bad, but our QB was in the bottom 25% of the league in almost every stat. not screwing ourselves if we improve either. You just proved my point. Our D was dead last while our QB was close to average. So explain why we don't need to improve our D? Oh yeah, nice way to cherry pick your facts. PTR
mattsox Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Nix and Gailey will most likely go BPA in the first round. I just hope these guys got a serious wake up call and rethink their approach to this offseason and not take it so nonchalantly as they did last season. I hope Nix realizes he has some major work to do and we need a big turnover in players in order to get a strong base and cut the dead wood like Maybin. If it's a repeat of last offseason. Then I strongly believe this team will get nowhere. Not resigning our good players and only signing marginal free agents and non impact Draft Picks ala last season will bring us a top 10 pick in 2012 as well...
K Gun Special Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 You just proved my point. Our D was dead last while our QB was close to average. So explain why we don't need to improve our D? Oh yeah, nice way to cherry pick your facts. PTR Did you read what i wrote, being in the bottom 25% of the QBs isn't average. Our D was dead last. I said improving either isnt bad. You know who has a worse defense than the Bills? the pats and the colts arent that far off. But no, we will be fine if we leave the QB situation alone. Where was the cherry picking of facts?
Talley56 Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 I'm still not convinced that Luck will definitely be taken first. There are two teams ahead of us who drafted QBs last year. After everything Denver gave up on Tebow I don't think they will turn around the next year and draft another first round QB and while Clausen didn't look too good his first year the Panthers may try to give him another year or two before giving up on him. So, if we want him, we may not have to give up the world to get him.
Green Lightning Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Our D is bad, but our QB was in the bottom 25% of the league in almost every stat. not screwing ourselves if we improve either. What part of getting trampled for 276 yards by a second string line do you not understand? What part of a record season for allowing 200-yard rushing games against us don't you get? How about giving up 30-plus points every g'damn week? Defense wins championships and we are pathetic. Screw the QB whining and get some d'damn defensive players in here!
PromoTheRobot Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 (edited) Did you read what i wrote, being in the bottom 25% of the QBs isn't average. Our D was dead last. I said improving either isnt bad. You know who has a worse defense than the Bills? the pats and the colts arent that far off. But no, we will be fine if we leave the QB situation alone. Where was the cherry picking of facts? I'm calling BS on your post! In order to be in the bottom 25% you have to be ranked #25 or lower. So let's see where Fitz ranks. First let's look at the stats (NFL.com) that aren't affected by the number of games you play: Completion pct: 57.8% - 27th Avg. Yards per game: 230.8 - 16th Avg yards per comp: 6.8 - 21st QB Rating: 81.8 - 22nd Now let's look at the other stats. Keep in mind Fitz only played in 13 games: Yards Passing: 3,000 - 22nd (over 16 games that would be 3,692.8yds, good for 16th) TDs: 23 - 13th (over 16 games that would be 28 TDs, good for 6th) INTs: 15 - 20th (over 16 games that would be 18.5, good for 26th) Now let's compare some defensive team stats: Points allowed: 425 - 28th Yards allowed per game: 361.6 - 24th Rushing yards allowed per game: 169.6 - 32nd (DEAD LAST!!) Passing Yards allowed per game: 192.0 - 3rd!! (that's a surprise) So I believe the REAL FACTS have proved you wrong, K-gun. Ryan Fitzpatrick is nowhere near the bottom 25% of NFL QBs. He is 13th in TDs and 16th in yards per game, 2 key QB stats. This is what I mean by cherry picking your stats. PTR Edited January 3, 2011 by PromoTheRobot
KRT88 Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Moving up even two spots will take a huge offer. It's not like carolina doesn't need a QB either. Please, there's no way if Luke is in this draft carolina deals the pick. Simply no way! Plus remember the new CBA rules will effect this year draft class regardless, so as a result, the pick becomes even more valuable because you don't have to pay the guy 70 million guarenteed. If Buffalo was smart, they'd try to move down and gather up picks!
K Gun Special Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 I'm calling BS on your post! In order to be in the bottom 25% you have to be ranked #25 or lower. So let's see where Fitz ranks. First let's look at the stats (NFL.com) that aren't affected by the number of games you play: Completion pct: 57.8% - 27th Avg. Yards per game: 230.8 - 16th Avg yards per comp: 6.8 - 21st QB Rating: 81.8 - 22nd Now let's look at the other stats. Keep in mind Fitz only played in 13 games: Yards Passing: 3,000 - 22nd (over 16 games that would be 3,692.8yds, good for 16th) TDs: 23 - 13th (over 16 games that would be 28 TDs, good for 6th) INTs: 15 - 20th (over 16 games that would be 18.5, good for 26th) Now let's compare some defensive team stats: Points allowed: 425 - 28th Yards allowed per game: 361.6 - 24th Rushing yards allowed per game: 169.6 - 32nd (DEAD LAST!!) Passing Yards allowed per game: 192.0 - 3rd!! (that's a surprise) So I believe the REAL FACTS have proved you wrong, K-gun. Ryan Fitzpatrick is nowhere near the bottom 25% of NFL QBs. He is 13th in TDs and 16th in yards per game, 2 key QB stats. This is what I mean by cherry picking your stats. PTR Hes thrown 15 INTs which is 9th most. bottom 25% You cant extrapolate his stats out like that and then claim he's better. He is NOT 16th in yards per game. He is 27th in comp pct and 22nd in QB rating, those dont change regardless of the number of games he played. BOTH of those stats are worse than jon Kitna and in the bottom 25% of the league. His yards per pass is 21st just missing the bottom 25% by two spots. He;s just a bit higher than Henne and Hasselbeck. There were only four QBs with a worse completion percentage. His passing yds was 22, again just shy of bottom 25%. Several QBs ahead of him in yards did not play a full schedule either but still had better numbers. OK so hes thrown the ninth most picks, has a terrible comp percentage, yards per pass, and QB rating. Most of his stats are on the border or are in the worst 25% of the league. Keep in mind the offense had the ball nearly 30 mins a game and he was one of the least sacked QBs in the league. He still couldnt get crap done. You really think if we had a top QB with the ball 30 mins a game who was rarely sacked this team wouldnt be infinitely better?
Joaquin1119 Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Well, I still like to see what the bills going to do,once free agent starts.
purple haze Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 trade trade our first, second and next year's first and then draft: 3. Luke Stocker Tennessee 6'6" 255 TE dude can catch and block, looks like Gronkowski 4. Reily Rieff Iowa 6'6" 300 LOT 4. Don'ta Hightower Alabama 6'5" 250 ILB 5. Phil Taylor Baylor 6'4" 355 NT 6. John Moffitt Wisconsin 6'5" 323 OG 7. Vince Browne North Western 6'5" 265 OLB If the Bills traded all of that they are crazy. I understand why folks are in love with Luck, but he's not worth giving away all those picks. He is no guarantee. No player in the draft is a guarantee. Take Bowers, Fairley, Dareus or maybe Quinn or trade down for more picks. Or trade back up into the first round and grab a QB there. But don't give away picks. A first next year? Nix already said he wants to build through the draft. I doubt he's trying to give away future first rounders.
BillsNYC Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Living in NYC and seeing the Jets and Giants trade up for their QBs and are now set for a decade, I'm all for the Bills trading up for Luck if he's worth it.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 (edited) Hes thrown 15 INTs which is 9th most. bottom 25% Did you flunk 2nd grade math? There are 32 teams in the NFL. How is being "9th worst" as you put it equal to bottom 25%? BTW according to NFL.com, the official source, Fitz is tied for 20th with Bradford, Garrard and McNabb, and has fewer INTs than playoff QBs Hasselbeck and P. Manning. You cant extrapolate his stats out like that and then claim he's better. He is NOT 16th in yards per game. I hate to keep slamming you but CHECK NFL.COM YOURSELF! Fitz is #16 in avg yards per game between #15 Matt Ryan and #17 Joe Flacco. He is 27th in comp pct and 22nd in QB rating, those dont change regardless of the number of games he played. BOTH of those stats are worse than jon Kitna and in the bottom 25% of the league. Hate to bring up 2nd grade math class (I'm sure it was a painful time for you) but being ranked #22 means you aren't in the bottom 25%. #25 is the line. So yes, he's below in comp% But he's better than playoff QB Mark Sanchez (who is ranked #27) His yards per pass is 21st just missing the bottom 25% by two spots. He;s just a bit higher than Henne and Hasselbeck. So again you admit he's not bottom 25% in that category. And he missed by 3 spots, not 2. There were only four QBs with a worse completion percentage. You're making the same point a second time. Are you running out of arguments? His passing yds was 22, again just shy of bottom 25%. Several QBs ahead of him in yards did not play a full schedule either but still had better numbers. You are comparing players who played 16 games against a player who played 13. Most of his stats are on the border or are in the worst 25% of the league. You said he was bottom 25%. Now that I proved he isn't you are backtracking. Keep in mind the offense had the ball nearly 30 mins a game and he was one of the least sacked QBs in the league. He still couldnt get crap done. 23 TDs in 13 games (most by a Bills QB since 2002). 3,000 yds in 13 games. Ranked 18th in 3rd down conversion (up from 32nd last year). Ranked 18th in Red Zone efficiency (up from 32nd last year.) Other than that, Fitz hasn't done crap! Also keep in mind that some of the above stats include Edwards and Brohm numbers so Fitz is even better! PTR Edited January 3, 2011 by PromoTheRobot
billsfan714 Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 What part of getting trampled for 276 yards by a second string line do you not understand? What part of a record season for allowing 200-yard rushing games against us don't you get? How about giving up 30-plus points every g'damn week? Defense wins championships and we are pathetic. Screw the QB whining and get some d'damn defensive players in here! Totally agree. Wouldn't stopping the opposing teams offense occasionaly give our offense more opportunities, thus moving them up in stats? The Steelers are a perennial a playoff team because they take away your running game and make you one dimensional. Your never going to be good giving up 200 yards rushing and 34 points a game 8 times.
K Gun Special Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Did you flunk 2nd grade math? There are 32 teams in the NFL. How is being "9th worst" as you put it equal to bottom 25%? BTW according to NFL.com, the official source, Fitz is tied for 20th with Bradford, Garrard and McNabb, and has fewer INTs than playoff QBs Hasselbeck and P. Manning. I hate to keep slamming you but CHECK NFL.COM YOURSELF! Fitz is #16 in avg yards per game between #15 Matt Ryan and #17 Joe Flacco. Hate to bring up 2nd grade math class (I'm sure it was a painful time for you) but being ranked #22 means you aren't in the bottom 25%. #25 is the line. So yes, he's below in comp% But he's better than playoff QB Mark Sanchez (who is ranked #27) So again you admit he's not bottom 25% in that category. And he missed by 3 spots, not 2. You're making the same point a second time. Are you running out of arguments? You are comparing players who played 16 games against a player who played 13. You said he was bottom 25%. Now that I proved he isn't you are backtracking. 23 TDs in 13 games. 3,000 yds in 13 games. Ranked 18th in 3rd down conversion (up from 32nd last year). Ranked 18th in Red Zone efficiency (up from 32nd last year.) Other than that, Fitz hasn't done crap! Also keep in mind that some of the above stats include Edwards and Brohm numbers so Fitz is even better! PTR There are 31 QBs listed on the website, the bottom 25% therefore includes the bottom 7.75 so it would be 23 or 24 not 25. Ill keep making my point and you can keep the regular PTR schtick going. He missed the bottom 25% by one or two spots in certain categories and made them in others. He has an avg yds per game and TDs but threw a lot of picks. btw how do you slam me for using stats and complaining that Fitz only played 13 games while at the same time touting him for throwing less INTs than guys who played in more games? Btw you are reading the INTs stats wrong, click it so it shows highest to lowest not the other way around. There were 7 qbs who threw more INTs this year, only 7.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 There are 31 QBs listed on the website, the bottom 25% therefore includes the bottom 7.75 so it would be 23 or 24 not 25. Ill keep making my point and you can keep the regular PTR schtick going. He missed the bottom 25% by one or two spots in certain categories and made them in others. He has an avg yds per game and TDs but threw a lot of picks. btw how do you slam me for using stats and complaining that Fitz only played 13 games while at the same time touting him for throwing less INTs than guys who played in more games? Btw you are reading the INTs stats wrong, click it so it shows highest to lowest not the other way around. There were 7 qbs who threw more INTs this year, only 7. Give it up already. I proved you wrong and now your dancing around. Only 31 QB's in the NFL? Which teams doesn't have one? And you forgot to say "You're right PTR, Fitz IS ranked #16 in ypg!" PTR
akm0404 Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Taking Luck will get Gailey and Nix fired. I strongly believe the Bills will not take a QB in the 1st 3 rounds. Gailey loves Fitz and the Bills have the worst defense in the league and a bad O-line. Just FYI, the Bills defense is ranked #24 in the NFL, and the Bills offense is #25, so statistically the offense actually performed a bit worse than the defense relative to the rest of the NFL. They both were terrible, though.
K Gun Special Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Give it up already. I proved you wrong and now your dancing around. Only 31 QB's in the NFL? Which teams doesn't have one? And you forgot to say "You're right PTR, Fitz IS ranked #16 in ypg!" PTR Reading comprehension should be your friend. I said there are 31 QBs on the website, take a look. You forgot to mention i was right on several points.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Reading comprehension should be your friend. I said there are 31 QBs on the website, take a look. You forgot to mention i was right on several points. 31 "qualified" QBs. "To qualify for passer rating, the player must have thrown at least 14 passes/game." There are actually 103 NFL QBs ranked, which makes Fitz a Top 20% QB! Speaking of reading comprehension, I did acknowledge the one stat category where you were correct. I even extrapolated Fitz's INT numbers to 16 games which would have put him in the bottom 25% in that category as well. But you still ignore the 2 most important QB stats: yards per game and TDs, which put Fitz square in the middle of the pack of NFL starters. Luckily for us you don't make the picks. I'm pretty certain that the Bills will not waste a high pick chasing some fairy tale franchise QB, unless Luck falls to us. And even then I'm not sure. PTR
akm0404 Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Give it up already. I proved you wrong and now your dancing around. Only 31 QB's in the NFL? Which teams doesn't have one? And you forgot to say "You're right PTR, Fitz IS ranked #16 in ypg!" PTR Dude, PTR - Fitzpatrick had a bad year. In his very best statistical categories, he was merely average. In his worst, near the very bottom of the league. You're really splitting hairs with a guy over your quarterback being in the bottom third of the league vs. the bottom quarter. Both are very bad, and are not good enough to contend for championships year in and year out. But yeah, he had a cool beard and gave good press conferences.
Max997 Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 trading up would be dumb, this team needs all its picks and an impact player next year...draft the best available lineman which right now looks like one of the defensive lineman and address the o-line or ILB in the second and third round I understand the importance of a franchise QB but this team needs to address both lines and can survive with Fitz for another year
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