papazoid Posted January 4, 2011 Author Posted January 4, 2011 darn it..... CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- If Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck decides to enter the 2011 draft, the Carolina Panthers will take him, two high-ranking team officials said Tuesday. A redshirt sophomore, Luck finished his season in Monday night's Discover Orange Bowl and has until Jan. 15 to declare if he will enter the draft. Although there have been reports indicating Luck may choose to stay in college, the Panthers remain optimistic he will turn pro. Luck is viewed as the top prospect in the country by most draft analysts and the Panthers don't disagree with that assessment. The team officials said they wouldn't even consider trading down in the draft if Luck is available. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=5988254
Bangarang Posted January 4, 2011 Posted January 4, 2011 darn it..... CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- If Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck decides to enter the 2011 draft, the Carolina Panthers will take him, two high-ranking team officials said Tuesday. A redshirt sophomore, Luck finished his season in Monday night's Discover Orange Bowl and has until Jan. 15 to declare if he will enter the draft. Although there have been reports indicating Luck may choose to stay in college, the Panthers remain optimistic he will turn pro. Luck is viewed as the top prospect in the country by most draft analysts and the Panthers don't disagree with that assessment. The team officials said they wouldn't even consider trading down in the draft if Luck is available. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=5988254 Can we move on from this Luck stuff? He's going #1. We will not get him. It's time we put on a clean pair of shorts and end this wet dream.
papazoid Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 Can we move on from this Luck stuff? He's going #1. We will not get him. It's time we put on a clean pair of shorts and end this wet dream. wait...i need a moment...........................ok, i feel better. now, maybe they are trying to drive the price up....lol.......ok,ok.....i like Fairley at #3.
bbb Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 You've never heard of Lomas Brown? Sad really that a great O-lineman doesn't get his due. Click here to learn more What are you talking about? Lomas Brown was picked 6th. We were comparing 2-4 vs. 7-9, which was what was being discussed Saturday night/Sunday morning here.
papazoid Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 good news......even the President of Stanford thinks Luck is coming out....(so there still is a chance the bills can pull a trade). hey SENATOR....is that $10 bet on ? http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-luckdecision010411
Mark80 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Not always. Joe Montana, a 3rd round draft pick took the 49ers to 4 Superbowls and won all 4. Tom Brady, a 6th round draft pick took the Pats to 4 Superbowls and won 3 (and looks to be on his way to a 5th Superbowl). While the Manning bros were both first round draft picks, combined they went to 3 Superbowls on won two. Granted every Bills fan would love even one Superbowl victory, it's not essential to have a first round QB all the time. For every Manning (Peyton & Eli), and Rivers there are a bunch of Achilies Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Matt Leinhart, Brady Quinn, JP Losman type QB's out there. Granted the Bills need a franchise QB and a whole bunch of other positions as well. If the Bills don't get some serious pass rushers that can put constant pressure on Brady, we're never gonna beat the Pats as long as Brady is in a Pats uniform. Not to point you out personally but to all similar posters in general - I get so sick of people naming the one or two QB's that won Super Bowls that are the exception from the later rounds and listing the 1st round busts as their arguments against QB with the first pick next year. No one ever mentions the 10's or 100's of QB's picked in rounds 2 and beyond that didn't do squat. The only reason they name the 1st rounders is because they actually heard of them and can remember their names. The fact is (and I'm sure someone with way more time to actually count it up could verify) that a first round QB pick has a way better chance of getting to and winning a Superbowl than any other round. Period. Is everyone one going to do it? No, of course not. Are there going to be ones from other rounds to do so? Yes, of course there is. But lets play the percentages, please. In fact, lets draft more than one QB in the draft and increase our chances even more of finding a great one. In addition, to all those people saying that we need a DT or DE or O-line more than a QB. You're f'n nuts. Please name any single player of any of those positions that has led their teams to superbowls? Have they helped, sure, but truly led a team to one? I can't recall one. QB, on the other hand, is stacked with these types of players. Open your eyes. There is a reason we haven't been anything since the mid 90's (even counting when we had the best D in the league in the late 90's), no stud QB like Jimbo. Done, end of discussion, draft a QB please. Luck, Newton, Mallett, Gabbert, Locker (hesitantly), I don't care but get someone. Thanks for your time. Edited January 5, 2011 by Mark80
1B4IDie Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Not to point you out personally but to all similar posters in general - I get so sick of people naming the one or two QB's that won Super Bowls that are the exception from the later rounds and listing the 1st round busts as their arguments against QB with the first pick next year. No one ever mentions the 10's or 100's of QB's picked in rounds 2 and beyond that didn't do squat. The only reason they name the 1st rounders is because they actually heard of them and can remember their names. The fact is (and I'm sure someone with way more time to actually count it up could verify) that a first round QB pick has a way better chance of getting to and winning a Superbowl than any other round. Period. Is everyone one going to do it? No, of course not. Are there going to be ones from other rounds to do so? Yes, of course there is. But lets play the percentages, please. In fact, lets draft more than one QB in the draft and increase our chances even more of finding a great one. In addition, to all those people saying that we need a DT or DE or O-line more than a QB. You're f'n nuts. Please name any single player of any of those positions that has led their teams to superbowls? Have they helped, sure, but truly led a team to one? I can't recall one. QB, on the other hand, is stacked with these types of players. Open your eyes. There is a reason we haven't been anything since the mid 90's (even counting when we had the best D in the league in the late 90's), no stud QB like Jimbo. Done, end of discussion, draft a QB please. Luck, Newton, Mallett, Gabbert, Locker (hesitantly), I don't care but get someone. Thanks for your time. Ray Lewis & Warren Sapp. The greater point is still true. The Bills have been completely irrelevant in the Super Bowl era, except for the time the Bills' first round QB took them to 4 straight Super Bowls. In the entire history of the Buffalo Bills, the Bills have taken 2 Quarterbacks in the first round. Its time for a 3rd. You can argue up and down what any of the QBs lack, but Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, & Ryan Mallet are all special prospects that all offer something that doesn't come around in every draft. Some more than others. I haven't watched 1 Mizzou game and it worries me of the dozens of draft nonsense I read McShay is the only one projecting this kid top5. McShay takes money from agents to prop up their clients. After looking at the defensive talent in the 2011 draft, and there is a ton of talent in rounds 2-4, you can still bolster the defense by taking a first round QB. I was in the take Fairely\Dareaus camp (Bowers is worrying me a bit, I wanted more in the Bowl game and I don't like he was a recruitment bust for the first two years of being on campus) looking at the list of available defensive players that the Bills can pick up in later rounds the Bills can still build a defensive while taking a QB 1st. Although if anyone is going to fit into a Defensive team leader it could be Fairely, if he is there at 3 its pretty tempting. Hurry up April.
Mark80 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Ray Lewis & Warren Sapp. The greater point is still true. The Bills have been completely irrelevant in the Super Bowl era, except for the time the Bills' first round QB took them to 4 straight Super Bowls. In the entire history of the Buffalo Bills, the Bills have taken 2 Quarterbacks in the first round. Its time for a 3rd. You can argue up and down what any of the QBs lack, but Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, & Ryan Mallet are all special prospects that all offer something that doesn't come around in every draft. Some more than others. I haven't watched 1 Mizzou game and it worries me of the dozens of draft nonsense I read McShay is the only one projecting this kid top5. McShay takes money from agents to prop up their clients. After looking at the defensive talent in the 2011 draft, and there is a ton of talent in rounds 2-4, you can still bolster the defense by taking a first round QB. I was in the take Fairely\Dareaus camp (Bowers is worrying me a bit, I wanted more in the Bowl game and I don't like he was a recruitment bust for the first two years of being on campus) looking at the list of available defensive players that the Bills can pick up in later rounds the Bills can still build a defensive while taking a QB 1st. Although if anyone is going to fit into a Defensive team leader it could be Fairely, if he is there at 3 its pretty tempting. Hurry up April. Ray Lewis, yes. Good call. I'd argue that Derrick Brooks was the best defensive player on the Bucs that year which is supported by his Defensive MVP award that year (but Sapp was pretty darn good too). But those two are both linebackers, not DE or DT's. Edited January 5, 2011 by Mark80
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Actually, the Bills have selected three 1st round QBs in their entire 51 years of drafting history. Riverboat Richie Lucas in 1960 (he played 2 seasons), Jim Kelly in 1983, and JP "The Bust" Losman in 2004 (he played 5). Both Kelly and Losman were the teams second 1st round pick in those drafts. Perhaps the fact that the Bills so rarely go after top QB talent in the draft, and have only hit once, is related to the franchise's long history of failure.
Bills of Boston Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Bills fan checking in from Boston... Let me first say that I think Luck will go to Carolina but before its a foregone conclusion let me jsut remind everyone that at the beginning of the season teams were all vying to win the Jake Locker Sweepstakes... Granted combines are less for Qb's than other positions but stranger things have happened.
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 ProFootball Warroom today has us passing on Fairly and tacking Anthony Costanzo, the LT out of BC.
Erik Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 ProFootball Warroom today has us passing on Fairly and tacking Anthony Costanzo, the LT out of BC. At #3? I want some of their drugs...he's a mid first round talent at best...not that there is anything wrong with that but we are not picking in the mid first round.
papazoid Posted January 5, 2011 Author Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) we need a franchise QB !! here's an interesting article grading all current NFL QB's (Fitz is ranked #24)i say 17th: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5972554 Edited January 5, 2011 by papazoid
flmike Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Not to point you out personally but to all similar posters in general - I get so sick of people naming the one or two QB's that won Super Bowls that are the exception from the later rounds and listing the 1st round busts as their arguments against QB with the first pick next year. No one ever mentions the 10's or 100's of QB's picked in rounds 2 and beyond that didn't do squat. The only reason they name the 1st rounders is because they actually heard of them and can remember their names. The fact is (and I'm sure someone with way more time to actually count it up could verify) that a first round QB pick has a way better chance of getting to and winning a Superbowl than any other round. Period. Is everyone one going to do it? No, of course not. Are there going to be ones from other rounds to do so? Yes, of course there is. But lets play the percentages, please. In fact, lets draft more than one QB in the draft and increase our chances even more of finding a great one. In addition, to all those people saying that we need a DT or DE or O-line more than a QB. You're f'n nuts. Please name any single player of any of those positions that has led their teams to superbowls? Have they helped, sure, but truly led a team to one? I can't recall one. QB, on the other hand, is stacked with these types of players. Open your eyes. There is a reason we haven't been anything since the mid 90's (even counting when we had the best D in the league in the late 90's), no stud QB like Jimbo. Done, end of discussion, draft a QB please. Luck, Newton, Mallett, Gabbert, Locker (hesitantly), I don't care but get someone. Thanks for your time. This is nicely said, but it seems to suggest that the Bills will never draft again. In all honesty, does anyone think we'll make the playoffs next year? The team drafted Bruce Smith high in 1985 and wisely grabbed the rights to Jim Kelly, should he leave the USFL. They got quite lucky in picking up Thurman Thomas in a later round and the Greg Bell trade blessed them with even more. Friends, that's how the Bills built that team in the 90s. It was comparable to the windfall that Dallas got with the trade with Minnesota. We have free agency now and things are different. I say build a good sound team and THEN plug in a good QB. You really want to toss out a college kid into this horror show? We have a few years to do this. Maybe in 2 years we can trade up to get somebody awesome. Not now.
dgrid Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) I say build a good sound team and THEN plug in a good QB. You really want to toss out a college kid into this horror show? We have a few years to do this. Maybe in 2 years we can trade up to get somebody awesome. Not now. unfortunately this is very true. patience is required. Even if we got Luck, do we want to be the team that got Luck killed? we need to do this right. Edited January 5, 2011 by dgrid
Chandler#81 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Actually, the Bills have selected three 1st round QBs in their entire 51 years of drafting history. Riverboat Richie Lucas in 1960 (he played 2 seasons), Jim Kelly in 1983, and JP "The Bust" Losman in 2004 (he played 5). Both Kelly and Losman were the teams second 1st round pick in those drafts. Perhaps the fact that the Bills so rarely go after top QB talent in the draft, and have only hit once, is related to the franchise's long history of failure. Good find! I thought he was our first ever pick.. Also, Dennis Shaw was selected 30th overall in '70, albeit early second round
yungmack Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 You and everyone else please, please stop with this Brady BS. Name one other 6th round QB that even won a playoff game in the last 20 years? I will not be just satisfied to get to the playoffs. I want the Bills to win them !!! Not saying the Bills should go QB in the first round this year as Luck will be off the board but at some point soon they are going to have to shoot for the moon and draft a QB with their first pick. First round busts my ass; how have all those second round QB's the Bills have drafted turned out !!! Not 6th rounders, but Kurt Warner and Tony Romo were unsigned FAs.
The Jokeman Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 What are you talking about? Lomas Brown was picked 6th. We were comparing 2-4 vs. 7-9, which was what was being discussed Saturday night/Sunday morning here. I didn't cherry pick it. Somebody put a link to it in this thread, and I noticed how good those top 4 picks were. Then, I looked lower and never heard of those guys.
joejoebills Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 With the 3rd pick in the NFL Draft, the Carolina Panthers select Nick Farley. (Bills traded their second and 2 forth round picks to move up to get Luck)
papazoid Posted January 6, 2011 Author Posted January 6, 2011 With the 3rd pick in the NFL Draft, the Carolina Panthers select Nick Farley. (Bills traded their second and 2 forth round picks to move up to get Luck) would love it.....but might cost just a lil more...but well worth it.
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