Mr. WEO Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Luck has been turned into something he is not. He is a better prospect than Mallet or Newton but not by a significant enough degree to pull a Ricky Williams. Nick Fairely or Marcell Dareaus will be a great edition to the Bills and will lead to more wins in the short team over a young QB. I agree with Fairley. But D-linemen don't "lead to more wins". A young QB is more likely to do that. Ask Detroit, St Louis, KC, Tampa...
Fan in San Diego Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Steve Tasker likes Cam Newton the best, I would go with Cam Newton.
tennesseeboy Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 quarterbacks don't necessarily lead to more wins. Defensive linemen don't leas to more wins....Face it...a strong defense and a strong offense leads to more wins. Our biggest weakness is an inability to stop the run game and our second biggest weakness is an an inability to establish an effective pass blocking and running game. Defensive and offensive line is what has to be impoved to win games.
K Gun Special Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 (edited) Fitz put up huge numbers in Chan's QB friendly system. Just imagine if you get an actual NFL quality QB like Mallet, in the system. See where I'm going with this? Brohm and Mallet have very little to do with each other. Huge numbers? 22nd in yards 27th in comp pct 21st in avg comp 22nd in rating 9th most INTs Yea were set at QB alright. He did throw 23 TDs which is the same amount as Garrard but still less than megastar josh freeman. He also was one of the least sacked QBs and had the ball the 4th most every game. He's had every opportunity to shine. What were you referring to when you said huge numbers? Edited January 3, 2011 by K Gun Special
billsfan714 Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Brohm put up huge numbers in Petrino's QB friendly system. Mallett has put up huge numbers in Petrino's QB friendly system. See where I'm going with this? Didnt Aaron Rodgers fall, being a product of Jeff Tedfords system and history of failed QBs such as Dilfer, Akili Smith, Harrington, David Carr and Kyle Boller? See where Im going with this.
LabattBlue Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 quarterbacks don't necessarily lead to more wins. Defensive linemen don't leas to more wins....Face it...a strong defense and a strong offense leads to more wins. Above average, IMPACT players lead to more wins. Except for Kyle Williams, I can't name one Bills player who comes close to fitting that description. The defensive front 7 is a joke and the OL is not much better. Whatever happened to "even a blind squirrel finds an acorn sometimes"? This front office can't get out of their own way!
purple haze Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Fairley, Bowers, Dareus, Quinn, Peterson or Trade down to get extra picks.
Rockinon Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Rockin your wrong Bruce Smith went #1 overall in 1985.. Get it right young one. Not young. Probably older than you. Just bad memory.
1B4IDie Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 (edited) Huge numbers? 22nd in yards 27th in comp pct 21st in avg comp 22nd in rating 9th most INTs Yea were set at QB alright. He did throw 23 TDs which is the same amount as Garrard but still less than megastar josh freeman. He also was one of the least sacked QBs and had the ball the 4th most every game. He's had every opportunity to shine. What were you referring to when you said huge numbers? He played 13 games silly. I agree with Fairley. But D-linemen don't "lead to more wins". A young QB is more likely to do that. Ask Detroit, St Louis, KC, Tampa... It's funny that Detroit, KC, and Tampa all took D-lineman very early in the top of the draft. Plus KC didn't take QB early, they're successful with a (horror ) late round QB. And you can easily make the argument that Suh is directly responsible for more wins. You're really on nonsense roll today. Edited January 3, 2011 by Why So Serious?
papazoid Posted January 3, 2011 Author Posted January 3, 2011 He played 13 games silly. It's funny that Detroit, KC, and Tampa all took D-lineman very early in the top of the draft. Plus KC didn't take QB early, they're successful with a (horror ) late round QB. And you can easily make the argument that Suh is directly responsible for more wins. You're really on nonsense roll today. detroit and TB already took QB's #1....and KC paid the price at "franchise" level plus a 2nd round draft choice for Cassel....my point is still, in building a team from the bottom....get a franchise QB.....then solidfy the lines on both sides with 1st and 2nd round picks.......pick up RB, WR, DB's in later rounds.
dpberr Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 If the Bills went CB in the first round, you'd see the first NFL stadium in history be destroyed by its fanbase. The fanbase of course, would march in an organized procession from Hammer's Lot at a medium pace. We're not savages.
bbb Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Didnt Aaron Rodgers fall, being a product of Jeff Tedfords system and history of failed QBs such as Dilfer, Akili Smith, Harrington, David Carr and Kyle Boller? See where Im going with this. Did Tedford coach all those guys?
papazoid Posted January 3, 2011 Author Posted January 3, 2011 If the Bills went CB in the first round, you'd see the first NFL stadium in history be destroyed by its fanbase. The fanbase of course, would march in an organized procession from Hammer's Lot at a medium pace. We're not savages. ESPN Insider ...Todd McShay latest Mock Draft projects the Bills will select Louisiana State cornerback Patrick Peterson. McShay writes "Peterson's combination of size, instincts and athleticism would be an instant upgrade for the Bills both on defense and in the return game." i want QB or DL.
2003Contenders Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Didnt Aaron Rodgers fall, being a product of Jeff Tedfords system and history of failed QBs such as Dilfer, Akili Smith, Harrington, David Carr and Kyle Boller? See where Im going with this. Yes, and the Packers saw the upside and were patient with him. They let him sit behind Favre for 3 years before handing him the reins. Most teams do not have the luxury of picking a young QB nowadays and letting him sit like that. The flip side of the coin is that the Packers could tell right away what they had in Brohm and cut him after a single year in which he never rose above 3rd string. It's funny, this time 3 years ago, there was a serious debate about which college QB was the best, Matt Ryan or Brian Brohm. Some scouts even said Brohm would be more ready to play at the NFL level from Day 1. Once talent evaluators started taking a closer look at him, they realized that Brohm had a limited upside and that he was NOT as polished as had been reported. Thus, he fell from potentially being a top 10 guy to being a 2nd rounder.
Koufax Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Work on DL, LB and TE this off season. Next off season work on QB, DB, WR, RB. If those positions aren't the best football players? Other than QB, I think we need to get the BPA every year for a couple years during our building. We aren't drafting to fix our 2011 team, we are drafting to build a great football team. Needs change year to year, but mediocre talent doesn't become elite year to year. Don't reach on one single pick because we like the position please. Something Nix knows well from SD. Franchise QB is a different animal, and fortunately Fitz gives us the ability to pick the right QB in the right round this draft or next and sit him a whole year if needed like Palmer and Rivers. If we like a guy at #3 not named Luck I am fine with that, although I also think that we need to examine all the QBs pretty carefully.
KOKBILLS Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 i told you why i think he (fitz) is... but you didnt list why you think he isnt..and you also said"we" are you on the team? my opinion is fitz is the franchise until proven otherwise..... besides the team has much more problems to adress I don't know...22nd in QB rating in the NFL...27th in Completion %...21st in average yards per Pass...16th in Yards per game...And while he was 13th in TD's, Fitz was also 9th in INT's... Nothing about Fitz says Franchise QB...nothing...He's gritty and gutty no doubt...He's a decent stop-gap and a hell of a good #2 QB and teammate...But saying Fitz is a Franchise QB makes me wonder if you've ever seen a Franchise QB over the course of an entire Season...Becasue Fitz is not even in the same league as Peyton, Rivers, Brees, and the like...He's just not at that level... He played 13 games silly. So you think his QB rating, Completion percentage, average yards per Pass, and INT's would have improved with 3 more games? Right... I posted this months ago, but here again are figures about 1st round QBs: 677 QBs have been drafted in the NFL. 1st Rnd: 136 have been drafted. 64 of them have started at least 1 playoff game (47%) 15 started at least 10 playoff games (11%) 2nd Rnd-Undrafted: 541 drafted/unsigned. 131 have started at least 1 playoff game (24%) 12 started at least 10 playoff games (2%) Statistically: You have roughly a 1 in 2 chance of making at least one playoff game with a QB drafted in the first round. You have roughly a 1 in 4 chance of making at least one playoff game with a QB drafted outside the first round. You have a roughly 1 in 10 chance of making 10 playoff games with a QB drafted in the first round. You have roughly a 1 in 50 chance of making 10 playoff games with a QB drafted/signed otherwise. That was awesome!!! Good work...
tennesseeboy Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 It would have improved greatly with a good offensive line and a defensive front seven that could have gotten opposing offenses off the field. Luck, Newton or Peyton Freaking Manning would have the same problems. For the sixth or seventh year now I'm saying it...start with the trenches!
KOKBILLS Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 I do, but these are entirely different QBs. Mallett is bigger, and probably had a better arm than Brohm does now when he was 16. He may not do well in the NFL (this applies to anybody), but the talent gap between Mallett and Brohm is as wide as an ocean. Totally 100% agree...
T master Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 ive said it several times, 1st round QBs get teams to super bowls and win them. this team will never seriously compete for that goal until they have a better QB. That's funny i read a post that did some research and since 1999 there are only i think it was 4 or 5 first round QB's playing in the NFL today the rest are 2nd round picks or later . That's not saying a bunch for 1st rounders & that's not even saying that the best QB POSSIBLEY EVER Tom Brady was taken in the 6th round of the draft . You just have to have good scouts that can really see talent then a good coaching staff to polish them up to where they need to be .
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