disco Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Anybody know if Wilson has commented on Fitz since he deemed QB as the #1 draft priority to Wawrow? http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bills-wilson (This was after the team was 0-5)
Nasty Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 many are saying he his the best QB prospect in years. IF thats true then he is worth making a move for. a lot of people said that about Leaf too when he came out From CNNSI "Leaf appears to be the hot QB in this draft, and he led WSU to a storybook season" June Jones Leaf's former coach "I've known Peyton Manning for a long time and I really love the kid. But when I went and watched Ryan Leaf workout he was impressive. I came away excited about coaching Ryan Leaf. He is going to be a franchise guy." Bobby Beathard former SD GM "You can go five to ten years without getting a chance to draft a quarterback like this." I would stay away from Luck unless he falls to us at the 3 spot. We need to fix our D anyway and stay with Fitz longer he still has an upside and was impressive this year. Plus our luck with Stanford QB's isn't good.
Virgil Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Scenario's as I see them: Carolina - If Luck declares, may be too hard to pass up. However, team is run kinda like the Bills and they may not want to spend that kind of money. Also, they are way worse than us and have a ton more holes to fill. I have to think their first priority is to listen to offers. If they do stand pat, then I wonder if they don't go for the cheaper option and pass on the Luck, Bowers, and Fairly. All three of those guys play positions that ask for 70 mil. Plus, as horrible as he was to start, I hear the Clausen movement has gained some support and they may be willing to build around him. Also, as we see every year, there is always a ridiculous amount of hype in the offseason that builds up players to top 3 status that we aren't even talking about now. There is a large part of me that see's Cam Newton having a huge game that could make him the #1 overall pick over Luck. I disagree with the choice if it happens, but wouldn't be surprised. Denver - I think there is enough Tebow love out there where they will be willing to pass on a QB. Like Carolina, they have a ton of holes, especially on Defense. With the Fairly and Bowers there, I think they def go there. However, if Carolina passes on Luck, I also could see people trading to get ahead of us afraid we will take Luck. Buffalo - I think everyone is going to be really upset with what we do. I think that with Kyle Williams and Troup as our 2nd last year, we will not go DT. I think there may be some fear from Maybin and the idea of getting a 4-3 DE to convert to OLB is scary. Also, with the way Moats played, I could see them feeling we are okay there. So, what will they do? If Luck is there, I think he will still want #1 money and we will pass. And I will lose my mind. Who they will take, I don't know. But we have no reason to believe that Ralph will bust out the wallet. I think a trade back is what Ralph will want, but that is not Nix's MO. No matter what, I don't see Fairly, Bowers, or Luck in a Bills uniform next year. With that being said, passing on Luck or not trading up to 1st to get him, I think will haunt us for years to come. I think he will be that good. I'm talking Matt Ryan, immediate good. Watch the kid play. He is cerebral like Peyton, physical like Big Ben, and quick like Rodgers. This kid will be an absolute star. Nothing against Fitz, but the upgrade would be too much to pass on. But pass on him, we will...
Nasty Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 i told you why i think he (fitz) is... but you didnt list why you think he isnt..and you also said"we" are you on the team? my opinion is fitz is the franchise until proven otherwise..... besides the team has much more problems to adress I consider myself part of the team. I mean i buy there merchindise, support em, pay 200 so odd dollars every year for the NFL ticket to watch them lose so i would say I am a part of the team....I think most fans would.
Endless Ike Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Luck has been turned into something he is not. He is a better prospect than Mallet or Newton but not by a significant enough degree to pull a Ricky Williams. Nick Fairely or Marcell Dareaus will be a great edition to the Bills and will lead to more wins in the short team over a young QB. Cam Newton is not realistic NFL prospect, if the bills draft him in the first round they are dead to me
Marv Levy Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 ive said it several times, 1st round QBs get teams to super bowls and win them. this team will never seriously compete for that goal until they have a better QB. Thank you!!
1B4IDie Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 (edited) Scenario's as I see them: Carolina - If Luck declares, may be too hard to pass up. However, team is run kinda like the Bills and they may not want to spend that kind of money. Also, they are way worse than us and have a ton more holes to fill. I have to think their first priority is to listen to offers. If they do stand pat, then I wonder if they don't go for the cheaper option and pass on the Luck, Bowers, and Fairly. All three of those guys play positions that ask for 70 mil. Plus, as horrible as he was to start, I hear the Clausen movement has gained some support and they may be willing to build around him. Also, as we see every year, there is always a ridiculous amount of hype in the offseason that builds up players to top 3 status that we aren't even talking about now. There is a large part of me that see's Cam Newton having a huge game that could make him the #1 overall pick over Luck. I disagree with the choice if it happens, but wouldn't be surprised. Denver - I think there is enough Tebow love out there where they will be willing to pass on a QB. Like Carolina, they have a ton of holes, especially on Defense. With the Fairly and Bowers there, I think they def go there. However, if Carolina passes on Luck, I also could see people trading to get ahead of us afraid we will take Luck. Buffalo - I think everyone is going to be really upset with what we do. I think that with Kyle Williams and Troup as our 2nd last year, we will not go DT. I think there may be some fear from Maybin and the idea of getting a 4-3 DE to convert to OLB is scary. Also, with the way Moats played, I could see them feeling we are okay there. So, what will they do? If Luck is there, I think he will still want #1 money and we will pass. And I will lose my mind. Who they will take, I don't know. But we have no reason to believe that Ralph will bust out the wallet. I think a trade back is what Ralph will want, but that is not Nix's MO. No matter what, I don't see Fairly, Bowers, or Luck in a Bills uniform next year. With that being said, passing on Luck or not trading up to 1st to get him, I think will haunt us for years to come. I think he will be that good. I'm talking Matt Ryan, immediate good. Watch the kid play. He is cerebral like Peyton, physical like Big Ben, and quick like Rodgers. This kid will be an absolute star. Nothing against Fitz, but the upgrade would be too much to pass on. But pass on him, we will... You are insane. If Luck fell to #3 the Bills would do a Spiller like dash to the podium. BTW the Bills have the #16 Payroll in 2010 so realize that Ralph does open his wallet. They Spent more than the Eagles, Chargers, Packers, Colts, Patriots, and Ravens. Cam Newton is not realistic NFL prospect, if the bills draft him in the first round they are dead to me You base this on what? He is Tim Tebow with passing skills. Edited January 3, 2011 by Why So Serious?
billsfaningeneseo Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 I am going on the assumption that Luck does not come out or goes #1 to Carolina. Half of this board is going to go nuts no matter who we take as there is absolutely nobody other than Luck that will satisfy everyone. I would be happy with trading back if possible and taking either Newton or Locker/Mallett around the 10th pick or so. Use the rest of our picks (2nd round plus whatever we pick up) on DL/LBs. If we can't trade down, then I don't know, I personally like Newton, but that's just me. Don't forget, a lot will also depend on what (if anything) we do in free agency.
....lybob Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 (edited) My I'm getting sick of getting pushed around like a shopping cart Free agency and Draft Draft 1. Fairley 3-4 DE 2. Courtney Upshaw ILB 3. Aarons Williams CB 4. Kenrick Ellis NT 4. Don'ta Hightower ILB 5. Phil Taylor NT Free agency Lamarr Woodley OLB Paul Solia NT Jeremy Trueblood ROT Controversial Trade Kyle Williams DT to Chicago for Greg Olsen TE- I expect hate on this Starting Dline Carrington LDE, Solia NT, Fairley RDE Starting LBs Woodley LOLB, Upshaw ILB, Moats ILB, Merrimen ROLB Edited January 3, 2011 by ....lybob
Jerry Jabber Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 ive said it several times, 1st round QBs get teams to super bowls and win them. this team will never seriously compete for that goal until they have a better QB. Not always. Joe Montana, a 3rd round draft pick took the 49ers to 4 Superbowls and won all 4. Tom Brady, a 6th round draft pick took the Pats to 4 Superbowls and won 3 (and looks to be on his way to a 5th Superbowl). While the Manning bros were both first round draft picks, combined they went to 3 Superbowls on won two. Granted every Bills fan would love even one Superbowl victory, it's not essential to have a first round QB all the time. For every Manning (Peyton & Eli), and Rivers there are a bunch of Achilies Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Matt Leinhart, Brady Quinn, JP Losman type QB's out there. Granted the Bills need a franchise QB and a whole bunch of other positions as well. If the Bills don't get some serious pass rushers that can put constant pressure on Brady, we're never gonna beat the Pats as long as Brady is in a Pats uniform.
papazoid Posted January 3, 2011 Author Posted January 3, 2011 i haven't given serious consideration to Cam Newton at #3....but wouldn't he be considered a "one year wonder" ?......and Buddy Nix has gone on recored about that.
1B4IDie Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 (edited) My I'm getting sick of getting pushed around like a shopping cart Free agency and Draft Draft 1. Fairley 3-4 DE 2. Courtney Upshaw ILB 3. Aarons Williams CB 4. Kenrick Ellis NT 4. Don'ta Hightower ILB 5. Phil Taylor NT Free agency Lamarr Woodley OLB Paul Solia NT Jeremy Trueblood ROT Controversial Trade Kyle Williams DT to Chicago for Greg Olsen TE- I expect hate on this Starting Dline Carrington LDE, Solia NT, Fairley RDE Starting LBs Woodley LOLB, Upshaw ILB, Moats ILB, Merrimen ROLB If you switch Aarons Williams for Dontay Moch and Kenrick Ellis for Wayne Daniels. I would love this. If we got LaMarr Woodley I would be the happiest Bills fan in the world. Even though I love Kyle, he is an awkward fit for a full time 3-4, and Greg Olsen is an awkward fit for a Mike Martz offense so it kinda makes sense. Edited January 3, 2011 by Why So Serious?
outsidethebox Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 i haven't given serious consideration to Cam Newton at #3....but wouldn't he be considered a "one year wonder" ?......and Buddy Nix has gone on recored about that. Yeah, but Buddy's old. He probably forgot he said that.
DDD Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Trade down, then trade down again, then trade down again in an ideal world. This team is so devoid of talent the more draft picks they get the better the chances of finding guys who can play.
JPCinTULLY Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 (edited) I consider myself part of the team. I mean i buy there merchindise, support em, pay 200 so odd dollars every year for the NFL ticket to watch them lose so i would say I am a part of the team....I think most fans would. i told you why i think he (fitz) is... but you didnt list why you think he isnt..and you also said"we" are you on the team? my opinion is fitz is the franchise until proven otherwise..... besides the team has much more problems to adress nuff said!....even though you still didnt say why fitz isnt your fanchise qb!? Edited January 3, 2011 by JPCinTULLY
Wiz Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Worst teams in league blew a first round pick on a qb who was a bust. I'll say it again and again.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 http://www.wgr550.com/BUSCAGLIA--Bills-To-Draft-3rd--What-to-Expect-/8895348 Thanks.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 we trade our first, second and first next year if Luck comes out and draft: 3. Luke Stocker Tennessee 6'6" 255 TE dude can catch and block, looks like Gronkowski 4. Reily Rieff Iowa 6'6" 300 LOT 4. Don'ta Hightower Alabama 6'5" 250 ILB 5. Phil Taylor Baylor 6'4" 355 NT 6. John Moffitt Wisconsin 6'5" 323 OG 7. Vince Browne North Western 6'5" 265 OLB
stony Posted January 3, 2011 Posted January 3, 2011 Scenario's as I see them: Carolina - If Luck declares, may be too hard to pass up. However, team is run kinda like the Bills and they may not want to spend that kind of money. Also, they are way worse than us and have a ton more holes to fill. I have to think their first priority is to listen to offers. If they do stand pat, then I wonder if they don't go for the cheaper option and pass on the Luck, Bowers, and Fairly. All three of those guys play positions that ask for 70 mil. Plus, as horrible as he was to start, I hear the Clausen movement has gained some support and they may be willing to build around him. Also, as we see every year, there is always a ridiculous amount of hype in the offseason that builds up players to top 3 status that we aren't even talking about now. There is a large part of me that see's Cam Newton having a huge game that could make him the #1 overall pick over Luck. I disagree with the choice if it happens, but wouldn't be surprised. Denver - I think there is enough Tebow love out there where they will be willing to pass on a QB. Like Carolina, they have a ton of holes, especially on Defense. With the Fairly and Bowers there, I think they def go there. However, if Carolina passes on Luck, I also could see people trading to get ahead of us afraid we will take Luck. Buffalo - I think everyone is going to be really upset with what we do. I think that with Kyle Williams and Troup as our 2nd last year, we will not go DT. I think there may be some fear from Maybin and the idea of getting a 4-3 DE to convert to OLB is scary. Also, with the way Moats played, I could see them feeling we are okay there. So, what will they do? If Luck is there, I think he will still want #1 money and we will pass. And I will lose my mind. Who they will take, I don't know. But we have no reason to believe that Ralph will bust out the wallet. I think a trade back is what Ralph will want, but that is not Nix's MO. No matter what, I don't see Fairly, Bowers, or Luck in a Bills uniform next year. With that being said, passing on Luck or not trading up to 1st to get him, I think will haunt us for years to come. I think he will be that good. I'm talking Matt Ryan, immediate good. Watch the kid play. He is cerebral like Peyton, physical like Big Ben, and quick like Rodgers. This kid will be an absolute star. Nothing against Fitz, but the upgrade would be too much to pass on. But pass on him, we will... I will poop my pants and the drink champange....
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