Virgil Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 (edited) As we grow closer to the last game of the season and we are seeing where we will draft, and the talks now of Luck maybe not coming out, I wonder about some things... 1) If Harbaugh is truly being thought of for a head coaching job this offseason (rumors of SanFran), then I would think that Luck would come out, knowing he is going to probably be #1 overall, possibly be the last year of huge rookie contracts, and not want to go through learning a new coach. 2) Is there any way to find the current strength of schedule? I want to know before the Jets game what our scenarios are in comparison to the Broncos and Bengals. Can we still get the 2nd pick? If not, where would we be if we win and fall into the cluster of 5 win teams. (For the record, I know there are many people out there who say true fans don't hope for their team to lose. But honestly, if I see a game where we lose and still put in a good effort that showed progress, then i'd be okay with that. No one is going to care next year whether we were 4-12 or 5-11, but I guarantee you we will be upset when the guy we want goes a spot ahead of us because we took it to the Jet's back-ups. Not that I know that will happen) 3) In the top 5 picks, who are the teams that need QB's. Clausen, from what I can tell, has been looking better and apparently plays behind a worse offensive line than us with worse receivers. Tebow just had a 300 yard, winning game and is a huge fan favorite. I've head that Cinncy doesn't plan to pick up Palmer's large extension, so they could be legit QB hunters. I could see all of them in the market, but Carolina has a ton of holes and Denver may as well if they try to adopt a new scheme in the offseason. Orton also did pretty well for them. For the Bills, i'm not saying that Fitz is or isn't the answer. I think that if Luck is there for us, I would take him. But I think someone would trade down ahead of us for him or he won't come out. 4) If Luck doesn't come out, I still think we are going to see the same QB hype that we see every year before the draft. Last year, it was all about Jake Locker if he came out, but then Bradfor shot up the boards. I'm curious to see if Mallet or Locker will do the same thing. For me, I'd be all for the Bills going to Luck if he comes out and there as he is, in my opinion, a special talent. If not, I have to wonder what our trade options will be to other teams who want to trade up for these guys if they project up. 5) If we pick 2-5, are there any non-qb's that are can't miss type guys. I haven't followed any of these defensive guys like Bowers to know if they are game-changers. I also hear this is a weak offensive line draft. I'd love to hear about some guys that we are holding out for. 6) If what I hear is true for the upcoming FA market. I would absolutely spend some money on Dave Harris from the Jets. I wanted us to draft this guy and I don't know if the Jets have the money to re-sign him. They have some WR's who need to get paid too. I would easily pay him top 5 money. I think he is an immediate impact player for us and save's the draft pick. Same goes for the many options at TE. If we can only knock out just two positions in FA and focus on the Offensive line and some Defensive Specialists, that would be great. 7) As this season comes to an end, these are some of the positions I feel could use a change: - Woods to Center. Dude has been money and you can move Hartgarner back to Guard. - Kelsay back to DE. Just let it happen as it's the only place he doesn't look lost and actually seems to play better now that the line is bigger. - Moats to continue to start as our premier pass rusher. - Fitz, i'm good with him having another year if Luck isn't an option. I wouldn't waste a pick on that position until the later rounds. - Lee Evans, I would listen to offers. Maybe from Carolina or Washington. I'd take a 3rd for him. The guy just isn't what he is worth. I don't have any hate for him. Just not the guy we need for the money. - Whitner for 5 mil a year and that's it. I don't care about how the team tracks their own personal stats, the guy is not worth top safety money cause the dude just doesn't make big plays. 7 mil a year is big play money. I'm okay with Scott and Byrd back there. I'm not really trying to start a debate here or state anything as facts, this is just the way I see some things for the team. Feel free to add your two cents. Edited December 28, 2010 by Derek in Va Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Derek - This is a very well thought out post. However, since it's obvious that MOST posters here obviously feel that this team has NO future with the draft or most anything else, you're not going to get many well-thought out responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 I agree with whitner, but I'd go one step further, 5 million is a lot, I'd rather see that money used to sign Harris or a TE...Scott and Wilson are both not too far from being better than donte. Build the lines in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkc Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 As we grow closer to the last game of the season and we are seeing where we will draft, and the talks now of Luck maybe not coming out, I wonder about some things... 1) If Harbaugh is truly being thought of for a head coaching job this offseason (rumors of SanFran), then I would think that Luck would come out, knowing he is going to probably be #1 overall, possibly be the last year of huge rookie contracts, and not want to go through learning a new coach. 2) Is there any way to find the current strength of schedule? I want to know before the Jets game what our scenarios are in comparison to the Broncos and Bengals. Can we still get the 2nd pick? If not, where would we be if we win and fall into the cluster of 5 win teams. (For the record, I know there are many people out there who say true fans don't hope for their team to lose. But honestly, if I see a game where we lose and still put in a good effort that showed progress, then i'd be okay with that. No one is going to care next year whether we were 4-12 or 5-11, but I guarantee you we will be upset when the guy we want goes a spot ahead of us because we took it to the Jet's back-ups. Not that I know that will happen) 3) In the top 5 picks, who are the teams that need QB's. Clausen, from what I can tell, has been looking better and apparently plays behind a worse offensive line than us with worse receivers. Tebow just had a 300 yard, winning game and is a huge fan favorite. I've head that Cinncy doesn't plan to pick up Palmer's large extension, so they could be legit QB hunters. I could see all of them in the market, but Carolina has a ton of holes and Denver may as well if they try to adopt a new scheme in the offseason. Orton also did pretty well for them. For the Bills, i'm not saying that Fitz is or isn't the answer. I think that if Luck is there for us, I would take him. But I think someone would trade down ahead of us for him or he won't come out. 4) If Luck doesn't come out, I still think we are going to see the same QB hype that we see every year before the draft. Last year, it was all about Jake Locker if he came out, but then Bradfor shot up the boards. I'm curious to see if Mallet or Locker will do the same thing. For me, I'd be all for the Bills going to Luck if he comes out and there as he is, in my opinion, a special talent. If not, I have to wonder what our trade options will be to other teams who want to trade up for these guys if they project up. 5) If we pick 2-5, are there any non-qb's that are can't miss type guys. I haven't followed any of these defensive guys like Bowers to know if they are game-changers. I also hear this is a weak offensive line draft. I'd love to hear about some guys that we are holding out for. 6) If what I hear is true for the upcoming FA market. I would absolutely spend some money on Dave Harris from the Jets. I wanted us to draft this guy and I don't know if the Jets have the money to re-sign him. They have some WR's who need to get paid too. I would easily pay him top 5 money. I think he is an immediate impact player for us and save's the draft pick. Same goes for the many options at TE. If we can only knock out just two positions in FA and focus on the Offensive line and some Defensive Specialists, that would be great. 7) As this season comes to an end, these are some of the positions I feel could use a change: - Woods to Center. Dude has been money and you can move Hartgarner back to Guard. - Kelsay back to DE. Just let it happen as it's the only place he doesn't look lost and actually seems to play better now that the line is bigger. - Moats to continue to start as our premier pass rusher. - Fitz, i'm good with him having another year if Luck isn't an option. I wouldn't waste a pick on that position until the later rounds. - Lee Evans, I would listen to offers. Maybe from Carolina or Washington. I'd take a 3rd for him. The guy just isn't what he is worth. I don't have any hate for him. Just not the guy we need for the money. - Whitner for 5 mil a year and that's it. I don't care about how the team tracks their own personal stats, the guy is not worth top safety money cause the dude just doesn't make big plays. 7 mil a year is big play money. I'm okay with Scott and Byrd back there. I'm not really trying to start a debate here or state anything as facts, this is just the way I see some things for the team. Feel free to add your two cents. Good read , I would say that I think the Handy era, as a starter at least .is over. Chan keeps saying he wants big physical guys up front. My guess is we get wood at center then a Urbik/Rheinhart battle for the open guard position . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyHorseAteTheKid Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 As we grow closer to the last game of the season and we are seeing where we will draft, and the talks now of Luck maybe not coming out, I wonder about some things... 1) If Harbaugh is truly being thought of for a head coaching job this offseason (rumors of SanFran), then I would think that Luck would come out, knowing he is going to probably be #1 overall, possibly be the last year of huge rookie contracts, and not want to go through learning a new coach. 2) Is there any way to find the current strength of schedule? I want to know before the Jets game what our scenarios are in comparison to the Broncos and Bengals. Can we still get the 2nd pick? If not, where would we be if we win and fall into the cluster of 5 win teams. (For the record, I know there are many people out there who say true fans don't hope for their team to lose. But honestly, if I see a game where we lose and still put in a good effort that showed progress, then i'd be okay with that. No one is going to care next year whether we were 4-12 or 5-11, but I guarantee you we will be upset when the guy we want goes a spot ahead of us because we took it to the Jet's back-ups. Not that I know that will happen) 3) In the top 5 picks, who are the teams that need QB's. Clausen, from what I can tell, has been looking better and apparently plays behind a worse offensive line than us with worse receivers. Tebow just had a 300 yard, winning game and is a huge fan favorite. I've head that Cinncy doesn't plan to pick up Palmer's large extension, so they could be legit QB hunters. I could see all of them in the market, but Carolina has a ton of holes and Denver may as well if they try to adopt a new scheme in the offseason. Orton also did pretty well for them. For the Bills, i'm not saying that Fitz is or isn't the answer. I think that if Luck is there for us, I would take him. But I think someone would trade down ahead of us for him or he won't come out. 4) If Luck doesn't come out, I still think we are going to see the same QB hype that we see every year before the draft. Last year, it was all about Jake Locker if he came out, but then Bradfor shot up the boards. I'm curious to see if Mallet or Locker will do the same thing. For me, I'd be all for the Bills going to Luck if he comes out and there as he is, in my opinion, a special talent. If not, I have to wonder what our trade options will be to other teams who want to trade up for these guys if they project up. 5) If we pick 2-5, are there any non-qb's that are can't miss type guys. I haven't followed any of these defensive guys like Bowers to know if they are game-changers. I also hear this is a weak offensive line draft. I'd love to hear about some guys that we are holding out for. 6) If what I hear is true for the upcoming FA market. I would absolutely spend some money on Dave Harris from the Jets. I wanted us to draft this guy and I don't know if the Jets have the money to re-sign him. They have some WR's who need to get paid too. I would easily pay him top 5 money. I think he is an immediate impact player for us and save's the draft pick. Same goes for the many options at TE. If we can only knock out just two positions in FA and focus on the Offensive line and some Defensive Specialists, that would be great. 7) As this season comes to an end, these are some of the positions I feel could use a change: - Woods to Center. Dude has been money and you can move Hartgarner back to Guard. - Kelsay back to DE. Just let it happen as it's the only place he doesn't look lost and actually seems to play better now that the line is bigger. - Moats to continue to start as our premier pass rusher. - Fitz, i'm good with him having another year if Luck isn't an option. I wouldn't waste a pick on that position until the later rounds. - Lee Evans, I would listen to offers. Maybe from Carolina or Washington. I'd take a 3rd for him. The guy just isn't what he is worth. I don't have any hate for him. Just not the guy we need for the money. - Whitner for 5 mil a year and that's it. I don't care about how the team tracks their own personal stats, the guy is not worth top safety money cause the dude just doesn't make big plays. 7 mil a year is big play money. I'm okay with Scott and Byrd back there. I'm not really trying to start a debate here or state anything as facts, this is just the way I see some things for the team. Feel free to add your two cents. Great Post.. Thank You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 (edited) I'd re-sign George Wilson immediately. Can't have Whitner and Wilson both leaving. Whitner I'm done with, he just doesn't make any plays, period. I've seen some potential in the O-line and I'm wondering about the contract status of guys like Wrotto, Howard, Urbik, and Rinehart. Edited December 30, 2010 by DanInSouthBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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