Donte Whitner Sucks.

[Adam]

bB

 

Fewell is overrated, his performance with the Bills really did nothing to justify his elevation to DC from his assistant's role in Chicago. Let's not forget, he was ALL JAURON COULD GET. Not unlike Edwards. But after 4 years with this defense he didn't have any problem mixing and matching in his secondary. No question he had a better grip on how to use most of these same players. Whitner is a second down safety. He isn't good in coverage, but he isn't good in the box either. You need the area 8-12 yards from the LOS defensed, he's your man.

 

George Edwards looked like he was in over his head this year. At least Gailey is a seasoned pro. I'm sick of coaches like Edwards who take mediocre talent and make it look very mediocre and need to be given mull-agains at our expense.

 

 

 

The traditional 3-4 defenses employ 3 down lineman who play 2 gaps. Some of the best employ 3 starting DL you may have never heard of, like SD does.

 

That's the opposite of Kyle Williams. His game is all about one gap penetration versus stubby, less athletic interior lineman. He has clearly emerged as the Bills best defender, considerably so. The traditional 3-4 doesn't suit him.

 

Now if we had a Mike Nolan or Rex Ryan type running a Ravens/Jets type defense then maybe this defense could be tweaked to take advantage of Kyle Williams without creating huge holes up front. I have no faith in George Edwards. None.

I think Wade Phillips is available

[Sisyphean Bills]

I think Wade Phillips is available

Speaking of which, wasn't it reported someplace that Edwards was consulting with Phillips to try and learn how to tweak his 3-4 into the hybrid 1-gap scheme on the fly?

[BuffOrange]

Nothing is ever his fault.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

To those that CONTINUE to defend Whitner....Just comparing some of Whitner's numbers. Is he still worth the money? BULLLSHT.

 

 

 

DONTE WHITNERS CAREER...64 games started, 1.5 sacks, 5 INTs, 1 TD, 17 PDef, 3 FF.

 

ERIC BERRY - 14 GAMES STARTED, 2 sacks, 3 INT, 8 PDef, 1 FF.

TROY POLAMALU - (LAST 58 STARTS, 5 SEASONS) - 2 sacks, 19 INTs, 1 TD, 50 PDef, 5 FF

KENNY PHILLIPS - 19 GAMES STARTED, 12 PDef, 4 INTs,

ADRIAN WILSON - (LAST 5 SEASONS, 70 GAMES,) - 11.5 SACKS, 15 INTS, 1TD, 7 FF, 35 PDef

LARON LANDRY - (LAST 56 GAMES STARTED) - 4 sacks, 4 INT, 5 FF, 31 PDef.

YEREMIAH BELL - (LAST 57 STARTS) - 6 sacks, 4 INT, 8 FF, 36 PDef.

DAWAN LANDRY - (62 STARTS) - 5 sacks, 2 FF, 9 INTs, 24 PDef,

RENALDO HILL - (LAST 67 STARTS) - 2 sacks, 3 FF, 9 INTS, 2 SACKS, 22 PDef

 

So in conclusion, what is Donte Whitner good at?

 

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

 

Thanks for that exciting and fresh perspective. So since Donte has similar numbers to Hill and both Landry's... Are you contending he is a top 10 safety in the NFL?

 

Oh yeah Gronkowski match up keeps getting mentioned as evidence of #20's short comings. Gronkowski's best game this year, 75 yds, 3 td's on 5 grabs, against Troy's Steelers.

 

I am glad to know Wilson is so much better. They must be trying to keep him fresh for the late season run.

[boyst]

Speaking of which, wasn't it reported someplace that Edwards was consulting with Phillips to try and learn how to tweak his 3-4 into the hybrid 1-gap scheme on the fly?

Yes, it was said on here; Nov 30th

[DreReed83]

Thanks for that exciting and fresh perspective. So since Donte has similar numbers to Hill and both Landry's... Are you contending he is a top 10 safety in the NFL?

 

Oh yeah Gronkowski match up keeps getting mentioned as evidence of #20's short comings. Gronkowski's best game this year, 75 yds, 3 td's on 5 grabs, against Troy's Steelers.

 

I am glad to know Wilson is so much better. They must be trying to keep him fresh for the late season run.

 

You delirious? Hill and Dawan Landry are NOWHERE NEAR top 10 safeties, yet they're outperforming Whitner in every category that matters. Sorry you didn't get the point

[Rumblinstumblin]

http://www.buffalobillsanalysis.com/2010/12/16/donte-whitner-and-garbage-tackles/

[DreReed83]

http://www.buffalobillsanalysis.com/2010/12/16/donte-whitner-and-garbage-tackles/

 

Good read.

 

If you're supporting Whitner, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Adam]

Good read.

 

If you're supporting Whitner, you don't know what you're talking about.

Not true at all. He shouldn't be paid like a franchise player, but he has plenty of value.

[VADC Bills]

http://www.buffalobillsanalysis.com/2010/12/16/donte-whitner-and-garbage-tackles/

Good read if your a 4th grader.

Save the analysis on safeties making tackles downfield when they all do...even probowlers.

The fact of the matter is he is average but he does make tackles where our lb's do not.

In watching Whitner play this season I feel there is more upside to him but you have to watch the game instead of living in the stats books. He is worth keeping but not at elite safety prices.

This is the plight of evaluating and rewarding mediocrity. Poz fits this category as well.

In fact most of our team does. Not one player is worth top 5 money.

Edited December 29, 2010 by VADC Bills

[BADOLBILZ]

Good read if your a 4th grader.

Save the analysis on safeties making tackles downfield when they all do...even probowlers.

The fact of the matter is he is average but he does make tackles where our lb's do not.

In watching Whitner play this season I feel there is more upside to him but you have to watch the game instead of living in the stats books. He is worth keeping but not at elite safety prices.

This is the plight of evaluating and rewarding mediocrity. Poz fits this category as well.

In fact most of our team does. Not one player is worth top 5 money.

 

The statistics in the article support the eyeball test. The guy does nothing at the LOS(1 TFL out of first 75 tackles) and makes no plays on the football and is a liability in coverage.

 

One thing to remember with regard to his making tackles that the LB's do not........Whitner is usually running free to those tackles he makes 8-12 yards from the LOS. The LB's are being blocked.

 

That's not a defense of the LB's, they are still supposed to be making tackles. But the difficulty level of Donte's tackles is not the same as those made by the LB's. It's not like he is doing all the work out there. He is collecting the trash more often than not.

[Dawgg]

http://www.buffalobillsanalysis.com/2010/12/16/donte-whitner-and-garbage-tackles/

These stats support pretty much everything that has been said about Donte Whitner – he's great at the trivial tasks associated with safety play, but abysmal at the more difficult plays that are there to be made.

 

This can be explained by his lack of instincts and lack of range.

 

Donte's play doesn't justify a lucrative extension. End of story.

[Adam]

These stats support pretty much everything that has been said about Donte Whitner – he's great at the trivial tasks associated with safety play, but abysmal at the more difficult plays that are there to be made.

 

This can be explained by his lack of instincts and lack of range.

 

Donte's play doesn't justify a lucrative extension. End of story.

Well, when he says end of story, I guess that means we have consensus. Those that disagree have to change their minds. Lol

[boyst]

The statistics in the article support the eyeball test. The guy does nothing at the LOS(1 TFL out of first 75 tackles) and makes no plays on the football and is a liability in coverage.

 

One thing to remember with regard to his making tackles that the LB's do not........Whitner is usually running free to those tackles he makes 8-12 yards from the LOS. The LB's are being blocked.

 

That's not a defense of the LB's, they are still supposed to be making tackles. But the difficulty level of Donte's tackles is not the same as those made by the LB's. It's not like he is doing all the work out there. He is collecting the trash more often than not.

Well said. Go look at the other thread about Poz. Whitner is suffering because our DL cannot stop the run. Williams is great and does great on passing situations but we need a body big enough to block out the sun and DT's who fill gaps and shut down holes. These tackles should be Ayodeles.

 

Henry James best year had 8 INT's (92), besides 1992 and between 1991-2000 he had 9 INT's. Several years going without an INT in the middle of his career. He averaged 65.25 tackles per year exluding his rookie year and his injury year.

 

Donte Whitner is averaging 68.75 tackles a year not counting 2009. He has 3 INT's in the same years counted (2006-2008, 2010). Jones started more games per season then Whitner has, as well. This year, in 15 games Donte has 90 tackles. That is a lot, by the end of the year it is likely to be 95-98. That would be almost a 30% increase, which means he has had to defend the running game 30% more of the time this year.

 

Troy P. has an average of 60.5 tackles in that same time. He's averaged 4.6 INT's a year.

 

Stats don't lie but people like them. I am only making a point to say that this year cannot be used to judge Whitner. Unfortunarely, his contract will expire. If we resign him I will promise we will see improvement next year, especially if we get him better guys up front.

[Dawgg]

Well, when he says end of story, I guess that means we have consensus. Those that disagree have to change their minds. Lol

Those that disagree need not change their minds. They may have to find a new use for their Whitner jerseys though

 

At least he admits he sucked it up this year (Twitter):

 

DonteWhitner TWHITNER

This year I literally droped 4 ints...wont happen next year! GB-drop...DET..2 drops...Bal...1 drop..

Edited December 29, 2010 by Dawgg

[Bob in STL]

He's pretty good at covering for Byrd, who so consistently plays out of position it's not even funny.

 

 

You could really see how bad Byrd is playing by looking at the New England game last week.

 

That long TD run in the first quarter would have been his last play of the game if I was DC Edwards.

 

I cannot think of a starter on any Bills defense that made less plays and had less impact than Byrd this year.

[BADOLBILZ]

Well said. Go look at the other thread about Poz. Whitner is suffering because our DL cannot stop the run. Williams is great and does great on passing situations but we need a body big enough to block out the sun and DT's who fill gaps and shut down holes. These tackles should be Ayodeles.

 

Henry James best year had 8 INT's (92), besides 1992 and between 1991-2000 he had 9 INT's. Several years going without an INT in the middle of his career. He averaged 65.25 tackles per year exluding his rookie year and his injury year.

 

Donte Whitner is averaging 68.75 tackles a year not counting 2009. He has 3 INT's in the same years counted (2006-2008, 2010). Jones started more games per season then Whitner has, as well. This year, in 15 games Donte has 90 tackles. That is a lot, by the end of the year it is likely to be 95-98. That would be almost a 30% increase, which means he has had to defend the running game 30% more of the time this year.

 

Troy P. has an average of 60.5 tackles in that same time. He's averaged 4.6 INT's a year.

 

Stats don't lie but people like them. I am only making a point to say that this year cannot be used to judge Whitner. Unfortunarely, his contract will expire. If we resign him I will promise we will see improvement next year, especially if we get him better guys up front.

 

 

To the contrary, this defense plays right into Whitner's strength, which is making tackles 8-12 yards from the LOS. Unproductive tackles.

 

Not sure why you are bringing up Henry Jones, his play was a source of much criticism over the last half of his career. Jones was grossly overpaid. That said, he was better than Whitner, particularly in coverage, and didn't have padded tackle stats because he played on defenses that mostly controlled the LOS.

 

I think you should keep in mind that one of the benefits of making tackles after the first down is made is more chances to make tackles. That is the secret to Donte's "success".

[Captain Hindsight]

I would actually like to see George Wilson's numbers next to Dante's

 

That right there tells the true story.....he isnt even the best safety on his own team much less the names the OP put out there....

 

And he wants a raise?

want to bring those numbers up?

[justnzane]

Holy Crap. This thread has some pure stupidity being thrown around. Our secondary looks like crap in general this year when the only consistent pass rusher that brings anything near pressure is Kyle Williams. Whitner has had two main responsibilities on this D: make the tackles that the LB's aren't getting and cover for everyone elses mistakes.

 

Strong Safeties generally don't get many picks. On the Bills this year, it took the secondary as a whole at least 6 games just to get one. So, while you are whining that Whitner is not a turnover generating machine, nobody else on the D has been either. Is Whitner the superstar that the Bills were hoping for at the 8th pick? Is he worth Polamalu type money? No and no. However he has been one of the more consistent players on a crappy defense. He has done enough to earn around where the Bills have offered him and nothing more. If a lockout does occur the Bills may actually get him back with RFA rules, which is more of a certainty for Poz. That said, Whitner is a solid player, not a superstar, and not the epic John McCargo/ Aaron Maybin style bust that people lead us to believe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dawgg]

Holy Crap. This thread has some pure stupidity being thrown around. Our secondary looks like crap in general this year when the only consistent pass rusher that brings anything near pressure is Kyle Williams. Whitner has had two main responsibilities on this D: make the tackles that the LB's aren't getting and cover for everyone elses mistakes.

 

Strong Safeties generally don't get many picks. On the Bills this year, it took the secondary as a whole at least 6 games just to get one. So, while you are whining that Whitner is not a turnover generating machine, nobody else on the D has been either. Is Whitner the superstar that the Bills were hoping for at the 8th pick? Is he worth Polamalu type money? No and no. However he has been one of the more consistent players on a crappy defense. He has done enough to earn around where the Bills have offered him and nothing more. If a lockout does occur the Bills may actually get him back with RFA rules, which is more of a certainty for Poz. That said, Whitner is a solid player, not a superstar, and not the epic John McCargo/ Aaron Maybin style bust that people lead us to believe.

Whitner has dropped 4 sure INTs this year, one of which would have sealed the game against the Ravens in Baltimore. Nobody expects him to be a turnover machine, but to have zero impact on a game presents the other end of the spectrum that does not warrant a lucrative contract extension. $3M? OK. $4M? Maybe. $5M per season??? You'd have to be insane. And Donte and his agent know that the Bills are one of the few teams that are that gullible, hence the public airing of the contract talks.