Magox Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Why would you want them to play so poorly against the rush? just caught that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodat Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 No, Thank you. No welcome you. Noo thank you very much. Noo welcome you very much. I mean thank you very much. Your very welcome. There settled. Life can be complex. That’s why Gore invented the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Moch is the best athlete in the draft, if buffalo got in the 3rd it would be a steal. I'd be okay if we got him in the 2nd, a natural pass rusher with 4.2 speed. Doubled team all year, off the edge he would be dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodat Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) Moch is the best athlete in the draft, if buffalo got in the 3rd it would be a steal. I'd be okay if we got him in the 2nd, a natural pass rusher with 4.2 speed. Doubled team all year, off the edge he would be dangerous. This guy keeps getting faster in each thread I read. Can he be that good and not be a first round pick. And really can a linebacker be faster than Spiller. Would we see him cover Evans on a go route in practice? I like mock drafts but if everyone is starting to look like 1st round fringe material what's April going to bring. Edited December 22, 2010 by whodat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 WhySoSerious, I like that you are using DraftTek's Simulator, but please observe the site's request and give credit to the site, esppecially when posting the mock. That said, I'd take Quinn in a heartbeat. Moch is the best athlete in the draft, if buffalo got in the 3rd it would be a steal. I'd be okay if we got him in the 2nd, a natural pass rusher with 4.2 speed. Doubled team all year, off the edge he would be dangerous. He'd be a wonderful 2nd Round pick. Quinn/Moch, Dareus/Moch, or even Bowers/Moch, and we've definitely upped our defensive pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Cam Newton falls to the Seahawks?? My guess is this will all change once Newton destroys at the combine. Cleveland, AZ and SF are desperate for QB help. And they pick WR, CB and WR? Washingotn passes on him too? Gonna be tough for Snyder to sit on that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippers of Nfl Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Cam Newton falls to the Seahawks?? My guess is this will all change once Newton destroys at the combine. Cleveland, AZ and SF are desperate for QB help. And they pick WR, CB and WR? Washingotn passes on him too? Gonna be tough for Snyder to sit on that one! heisman goes to seattle? good point. by the way. i hate moch drafts and mock drafts. but now we are even generating a fake draft order without the correct picking order???? you my friend have a lot of time on your HAND.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Don't mean to ' shoot the messenger ' here, but that mock draft is supposed to be for THIS year??? I take it that ALL of these underclassmen (many of them sophomores) in that mock are declaring for the 2011 draft???? 1 Carolina Andrew Luck QB Stanford 2 Cincinnati Nick Fairley DT43 Auburn 3 Denver Da'Quan Bowers DE34 Clemson 5 Arizona Patrick Peterson CB LSU 6 Dallas Marcell Dareus DE34 Alabama 8 San Francisco A.J. Green WRF Georgia 9 Washington Robert Quinn OLB34 North Carolina 10 Cleveland Julio Jones WRF Alabama 13 Seattle Cameron Newton QB Auburn 15 St Louis Justin Blackmon WRF Oklahoma State 17 Miami Mark Ingram RBF Alabama 20 San Diego Akeem Ayers ILB UCLA 24 Chicago Brandon Harris CB Miami (FL) 25 NY Giants J.J. Watt DE34 Wisconsin 28 Baltimore Janoris Jenkins CB Florida 29 New Orleans Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame 32 New England Michael Floyd WRF Notre Dame 35 Denver Travis Lewis ILB Oklahoma 36 Detroit Justin Houston DE43 Georgia 37 Arizona Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas 41 Washington Jonathan Baldwin WRF Pittsburgh 43 Houston Mark Barron FS Alabama 47 St Louis Mikel LeShoure RBF Illinois 48 Oakland Corey Liuget DT43 Illinois 51 Kansas City Torrey Smith WRF Maryland 52 San Diego Tyler Sash FS Iowa 53 Tampa Bay Martez Wilson ILB Illinois 54 Jacksonville Shane Vereen RBF California 57 NY Giants Ryan Williams RBF Virginia Tech 60 Baltimore Ryan Broyles WRS Oklahoma 61 New Orleans Jordan Todman RBF Connecticut 62 Pittsburgh Brandon Burton CB Utah 63 Atlanta Matt Reynolds OT BYU 72 San Francisco Aaron Williams CB Texas 74 Cleveland Tank Carder ILB TCU 75 Houston Courtney Upshaw ILB Alabama 87 Green Bay Don'ta Hightower ILB Alabama 90 San Diego Aldon Smith OLB34 Missouri 91 Philadelphia Lavonte David SS Nebraska 93 New Orleans Rahim Moore FS UCLA If not, I'd say that mock draft is a pretty worthless predictor of anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegun12 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) I went through the standings and schedules of the bottom half of the leaugue and using a very complex system (my brain) I predicted how these teams finish record-wise. I didn't determine stregnth of schedule or anything to see exactly where each team would pick, because of the complex system I used (which was...my brain), I only have final records. If the Bills finish 4-12 1. Carolina 2-14 2. Cincy 3-13 Denver 3-13 4. Arizona 4-12 Buffalo 4-12 Detroit 4-12 7. Cleveland 5-11 San Fran 5-11 Washington5-11 10.Dallas 6-10 Houston 6-10 Minnesota 6-10 Seattle 6-10 Tennessee 6-10 If the Bills finish 5-11 1. Carolina 2. Cincy Denver 4. Arizona Detroit 6. Buffalo Cleveland San Fran Washington 10.Dallas Houston Minnesota Seattle Tennessee So in the first scenario (going 4-12) Buffalo would pick between 4 and 6 In the second scenario (going 5-11) Buffalo would pick between 6 and 9 In the unlikely 6-10 scenario, buffalo would pick between 9 and 14 Edited December 22, 2010 by machinegun12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) I also chose to use a fairly sophisticated modeling tool (my own brain) a couple months ago - it indicated that the Bills will draft somewhere in the #8 - #10 spot, selecting Wisconsin LT Gabe Carimi in round one and Nevada DE/OLB Dontay Moch in round two. Edited December 22, 2010 by The Senator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills99999 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 But of course this implies that he wasn't able to get sacks against quality players right? I would also imagine that in your view Castonzo is a quality player? Just in that clip alone, against a player who you view as the top tackle in the draft, Quinn racked up a sack, drew a holding call, made two inside power rush moves that created pressure that caused two interceptions and had two other QB pressures which one led to a sack. I'd say on the passing plays, Castonzo was abused by Quinn. I'd much rather have Quinn than Castonzo, it is quite clear that Quinn is the dominant player out of the two. How typical of you to pick the Irish guy before the Italian guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodat Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I also chose to use a fairly sophisticated modeling tool (my own brain) a couple months ago - it indicated that the Bills will draft somewhere in the #8 - #10 spot, selecting Wisconsin LT Gabe Carimi in round one and Nevada DE/OLB Dontay Moch in round two. CBS sports nfl/draft has Moch rated as the 37th in their overall ranking and at 6-1 245 they have him running a 4.38 forty. If this is true, he’s the type that will kill at the combine. No way he stays in the 2nd round. Just look at Jacksonville last year. They took a 2nd round rated dt at the 11th pick. Some of these guys fly up the board especially those with sexy numbers. You have curiosity up now. I’ll have to check him out on youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 CBS sports nfl/draft has Moch rated as the 37th in their overall ranking and at 6-1 245 they have him running a 4.38 forty. If this is true, he’s the type that will kill at the combine. No way he stays in the 2nd round. Just look at Jacksonville last year. They took a 2nd round rated dt at the 11th pick. Some of these guys fly up the board especially those with sexy numbers. You have curiosity up now. I’ll have to check him out on youtube. Jesus H. Christ, I just can't win here - some folks on TSW have been yelling at me that Moch's a ' huge reach ' with our 2nd-round spot! I liked him in round 3 in October - now I think if the Bills want him, they have to grab him earlier. He's the perfect pass-rushing DE/OLB for our D - hope we can get him in round 2... Link - NFL Draft Scout Profile Link-Nevada defense moves at Dontay Moch speed (USAToday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodat Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) I'm back to report my findings on Moch. I regret to inform you. This is a Major 'Bust' Alert. I would not pick him under any circumstances. Repeat, under no circumstances. Moch = Maybin My advice go with Beal. He explodes into people. He doesn't just impact a play, he blows it up. Right now, he's projected as a 2nd rounder. That means he'll be a late to mid first rounder by draft day. And if you need any more reason to like him Solomon Wilcots won't stop chanting his name when he does Beals games. Edited December 22, 2010 by whodat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I'm sure he has bad games in 2008 or 2007 you can pull some High School games too. Who cares. I'd be happy with Costanzo or Love at RT. Its really splitting hairs at this point. Love has a reputation for being nasty. However One game in 2009 isn't the whole story on a player. Maybe I'm misguided, but I tend to notice that players who performed well in college against top talent, perform about the same way in the NFL. There are probably exceptions, mostly in the sense that some guys fail because they can't adapt to NFL speed and complexity, but I'd bet that he will have as much or more trouble against the fast-big rushers of the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) I went through the standings and schedules of the bottom half of the leaugue and using a very complex system (my brain) I predicted how these teams finish record-wise. I didn't determine stregnth of schedule or anything to see exactly where each team would pick, because of the complex system I used (which was...my brain), I only have final records. If the Bills finish 4-12 1. Carolina 2-14 2. Cincy 3-13 Denver 3-13 4. Arizona 4-12 Buffalo 4-12 Detroit 4-12 7. Cleveland 5-11 San Fran 5-11 Washington5-11 10.Dallas 6-10 Houston 6-10 Minnesota 6-10 Seattle 6-10 Tennessee 6-10 If the Bills finish 5-11 1. Carolina 2. Cincy Denver 4. Arizona Detroit 6. Buffalo Cleveland San Fran Washington 10.Dallas Houston Minnesota Seattle Tennessee So in the first scenario (going 4-12) Buffalo would pick between 4 and 6 In the second scenario (going 5-11) Buffalo would pick between 6 and 9 In the unlikely 6-10 scenario, buffalo would pick between 9 and 14 The Bills have the #1/32 SOS right now with 57% winning percentage of it's opponents, meaning they loose all tie breaks. Hence I used my brain, and count 12 teams that have 5 wins or less. Meaning worst/best case when the Bills beat the NJ Sucks and go 5-11, the simple best/worst case is the Bills draft #12. Doesn't really take much time or effort. The point is the worst/best situation as far as the draft position goes is one hell of a draft. Obviously some of those 5 win teams will win 1 or 2 games, but I wasn't too concerned with that for this mock. There could be a lot of defensive talent in the draft. Edited December 23, 2010 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 I also chose to use a fairly sophisticated modeling tool (my own brain) a couple months ago - it indicated that the Bills will draft somewhere in the #8 - #10 spot, selecting Wisconsin LT Gabe Carimi in round one and Nevada DE/OLB Dontay Moch in round two. So, you are saying we should take those players off of our radar, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted December 23, 2010 Author Share Posted December 23, 2010 WhySoSerious, I like that you are using DraftTek's Simulator, but please observe the site's request and give credit to the site, esppecially when posting the mock. That said, I'd take Quinn in a heartbeat. He'd be a wonderful 2nd Round pick. Quinn/Moch, Dareus/Moch, or even Bowers/Moch, and we've definitely upped our defensive pressure. Sorry Astro I thought the link at the top of the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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