Spiller not doing to Bad!!!

[Doc]

To say Spiller wasn't expected to make an impact his rookie season is absurd. Why would you select a RB top 10 and then not expect them to get major touches? Tennessee didn't take Chris Johnson with the thought of him being a 3rd down back who played some special teams.

 

Spiller doesn't have and won't approach 1,500 yards from scrimmage in 2010. He's at 351 in 12 games right now who's been an a better PR than a KR. I don't remember when KR and PR yardage was included in the yards from scrimmage statistic.

 

Besides, I might argue the OL that took the field this year was better than last year's, given the lack of injuries and experience the younger guys now have. To cite the rushing yard per carry average as proof that the OL is the cause for FJ and CJ not being as good is ridiculous.

My mistake. I meant total yards. Anyway he gains yards helps the team.

 

You can argue all you want about the OL being better this year in run blocking versus last year. But ask Chan Gailey how he feels about it.

Edited December 21, 2010 by Doc

[Bob in STL]

Maybe on returns, but not many miss in the backfield.

 

Bellichick picked up a rookie RB out of the Jets training camp dumpster who is far outplaying our 1st round draft pick. 435 yards rushing (5.3 per) and 347 receiving (10.7) 5 TDs. Spiller's got 248 (3.9), 103 (4.7) and 1 TD.

 

Go figure.

 

Little difference in the two OLs?

 

Ask Bill which RB he would rather have?

[BillsVet]

My mistake. I meant total yards. Anyway he gains yards helps the team.

 

You can argue all you want about the OL being better this year in run blocking versus last year. But ask Chan Gailey how he feels about it.

 

Can I ask Chan if he still thinks Spiller makes the OL better?

[Doc]

Can I ask Chan if he still thinks Spiller makes the OL better?

When did he say that?

[JohnC]

Woodhead undoubtedly benefits in his 3rd down role from playing behind a good OL. Problem is, Spiller's a 9th round pick that can't get on the field and was, according to Gailey, supposed to make the OL better. That's not happening, and even though he'll be around for awhile, he's behind in his transition to the pro game. They needed an immediate impact from their first round pick and haven't gotten it, OL or not.

 

Almost all rookies don't make an immediate impact. That's a fact of life in the NFL. There is a learning curve that most young players have to go through. How many highly drafted receivers have struggled in their first year or so and later developed to become accomplished players? The same learning curve process applies to most DBs. Kyle Williams is currently playing at a high level. In his first few years he was constantly being blown off of the line of scrimmage. With plenty of playing time he has developed into an impact player for the defense.

 

With respect to Spiller you have to factor in that our run blocking hasn't always been stellar. As the season has advanced, even without gaudy statistics, you can see him running with more authority and less willingness to bounce every play outsdie.

 

Not all investments give an immediate return. In my view, Spiller is presently one of the few players on our roster who is capable of being a big play player. You need to show a little more patience. I'm confident that it will pay dividends with this particular player.

Edited December 21, 2010 by JohnC

[DreReed83]

If you think those numbers are good, then I'm sorry you have such low standards for a top 10 pick. I expect a top 10 talent at the RB to produce immediately. Being outproduced by the likes of:

 

Lagarrette Blount, Jahvid Best, Chris Ivory, Ryan Mathews, Toby Gerhart.

 

Enough with the Spiller talks until he actually does something

[BillsVet]

When did he say that?

 

Gailey on Spiller

 

"Great backs do make your line better," Bills head coach Chan Gailey said. "I don't tell this to the offensive line, and you're going to write it... but I'll deny I said it. But that's what happens...

You saw tonight why we drafted C.J."

 

Shall we debate what the word "is" really means now?

Edited December 21, 2010 by BillsVet

[silvermike]

There are flashes from Spiller that should make us patient, but the fact is that Spiller is having one of the worst rookie seasons of any first round draft pick in years. Guys come back from this - Deuce McAllister's rookie year was even worse - but I think it's time for fans to be very concerned about Spiller's lack of impact. Spiller's got to at least outrun Ryan Fitzpatrick before he's going to deserve any credit.

[DreReed83]

Gailey on Spiller

 

"Great backs do make your line better," Bills head coach Chan Gailey said. "I don't tell this to the offensive line, and you're going to write it... but I'll deny I said it. But that's what happens...

You saw tonight why we drafted C.J."

 

Shall we debate what the word "is" really means now?

 

This is true. Great backs CAN make your line look better. Our line has been playing decent as of late. Where are you Mr. Spiller?

 

9 carries for 16 yds. Just a hair under 2 yds per carry. Sweeeet

 

You want to look at a GREAT draft pick? Look at Moats. Bad one? Spiller. Moats has shown me something. His numbers aren't off the charts but he's done something, and being a pass rusher as a rookie and getting sacks is A LOT harder than playing RB.

Edited December 21, 2010 by DreReed83

[Doc]

Gailey on Spiller

 

"Great backs do make your line better," Bills head coach Chan Gailey said. "I don't tell this to the offensive line, and you're going to write it... but I'll deny I said it. But that's what happens...

You saw tonight why we drafted C.J."

 

Shall we debate what the word "is" really means now?

I don't put too much stock in pre-season performances (otherwise Joique Bell would be a Pro Bowler), or what Gailey said after a pre-season game. Spiller was met in the backfield 4 times against the Dols. That's on the O-line, not Spiller.

Edited December 21, 2010 by Doc

[Wing Man]

What I'm most impressed with in his rookie season is the few number of fumbles he's had. Rookie RBs are dismal at taking care of the football. Not so with Spiller. I'm looking forward to his sophomore season where we can add some end of line talent to help spring him, particularly around the tackles where he likes to rack up yardage.

[John from Riverside]

The Pats time and time again show how it should be done. Great Ol and get a good player behind C, whether its Brady or Cassel. RB and WR are the most dependant position in football by FAR. Most any ole retread can succeed, just make sure they are smart and dont fumble. The Bills simply cannot understand that drafting RBs to improve your running game and drafting WRs to improve your passing game is ass-backwards. OLman and the QB get it done. After them comes TE. RB and WR dead freaking last.

 

Eric Wood

 

Andy Levitre

 

Oh and didnt the patriots draft a running back number 1 some years back? I could be wrong on what round it was

[CosmicBills]

Almost all rookies don't make an immediate impact. That's a fact of life in the NFL. ...

Actually it's not. RB is the position with the shortest learning curve and rookie RBs have traditionally had a high rate of return in their rookie year. Almost no matter where you take them. 2nd RD RBs (MJD comes to mind) have been as productive as 1st, even 3rd and 4th rounders. Hell, even UDFA like Freddie. Which is why the RB position is the most overrated position in the modern NFL. You can find them ANYWHERE for cheap. The days of the single work horse RB are over. It's a tandem now. A cheap tandem.

 

Which is why picking a RB with the number 9 pick, no matter how good he is, when you already had 2 Pro Bowl caliber backs on the roster and multiple gaping holes at several key positions was a catastrophic f*&k-up for the front office. But they made the choice, so we have to deal with it. But then to take the 9th pick and NOT play him is even worse. The kid should be learning on the field, especially when your team is a miserable 4-10 and has no shot at the playoffs.

 

CJ Spiller has been a huge disappointment in his rookie year. There's no other way to color it. He needed to come in and be a game breaker from day one to validate the pick by the front office. He didn't. Don't make excuses now.

 

That doesn't mean he won't become a good back. But it's not a good sign that he is taking this long to adjust when RB is the easiest position to adjust to in the NFL. As history has repeatedly shown.

[Numark]

Please clarify, I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

 

ahhh the great punt catcher..........i believe that would be a throwback to my least favorite bill of all time, Mr. Chris Watson

Edited December 21, 2010 by Numark

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Eric Wood

 

Andy Levitre

 

Oh and didnt the patriots draft a running back number 1 some years back? I could be wrong on what round it was

 

Laurence Maroney...21st overall in 1996 from the Minnesota Golden Gophers!!!!!

 

Anyone who says that drafting RB's in the first round is stupid.....is.....well.....misinformed and ignorant.

 

Please stop the madness with all this Spiller hating!!! I can't wait until he blows up, so I can shove it in the face of all you miserable, dried-up, stinky lickers. Give the kid a chance before you write him off as a "draft blunder."

[purple haze]

 

CJ Spiller has been a huge disappointment in his rookie year. There's no other way to color it. He needed to come in and be a game breaker from day one to validate the pick by the front office. He didn't. Don't make excuses now.

 

 

No he doesn't have to come in and be a game breaker from day one. It would be nice, yeah, but he doesn't have to do that to validate anything. It's a marathon not a sprint. He has to learn the game like any other rookies. Some adjust faster than others. It's not like he hasn't shown his potential at all. He has. Look at Darren McFadden. It's taken him a few years, but finally the league is seeing his best and he's been a beast this season. All of this immediate gratification that's sweeping America now needs to cease. It's not realistic and rarely happens. Spiller should be fine. He's running harder, taking what's there better than he was earlier in the season. He's learning his lessons. Patience.

[Nanker]

Well, CJ's on track to replace Marshawn's 450 yards of 2009.

[ChevyVanMiller]

It's "too" bad, not "to" bad.

 

Sorry, don't mean to nit-pik, but there are moments when I believe that texting and Internet chat and comment board use is killing the English language.

 

Carry on as you were.

[silvermike]

No he doesn't have to come in and be a game breaker from day one. It would be nice, yeah, but he doesn't have to do that to validate anything. It's a marathon not a sprint. He has to learn the game like any other rookies. Some adjust faster than others. It's not like he hasn't shown his potential at all. He has. Look at Darren McFadden. It's taken him a few years, but finally the league is seeing his best and he's been a beast this season. All of this immediate gratification that's sweeping America now needs to cease. It's not realistic and rarely happens. Spiller should be fine. He's running harder, taking what's there better than he was earlier in the season. He's learning his lessons. Patience.

 

 

Spiller would need to have two great games to catch up to Darren McFadden's hugely disappointing rookie year - he'd need to double his performance both on the ground and through the air in the last two games. People aren't pissed because CJ Spiller doesn't play like Thurman Thomas yet, or even because he doesn't play like Fred Jackson yet. People are pissed because Spiller is being outrushed by over 60 players, including his own quarterback and several undrafted free agents. There are exceptions (Thomas Jones, McFadden, Shaun Alexander) but the majority of running backs who have rookie seasons like this either tore an ACL in October, or else become Trung Canidate.

[headcase]

Laurence Maroney...21st overall in 1996 from the Minnesota Golden Gophers!!!!!

 

Anyone who says that drafting RB's in the first round is stupid.....is.....well.....misinformed and ignorant.

 

Please stop the madness with all this Spiller hating!!! I can't wait until he blows up, so I can shove it in the face of all you miserable, dried-up, stinky lickers. Give the kid a chance before you write him off as a "draft blunder."

 

I'm sure that was an honest mistake, but it was the 2006 draft, not the 1996!

 

There is a slight difference from when New England picked Maroney and Buffalo picking Spiller. NE was in a down year, winning the division with a 10-6 record and a year removed from back-to-back SB wins. It was a pretty solid team that was looking to find a replacement for Dillion. Spiller on the other hand was a high pick that is seen by many to be a luxury pick for a team that already had two better than average RBs on it.

 

I won't say that drafting a RB in the 1st is stupid, but it is not something that I, as a Patriots' fan, want New England to do. I just believe that there are much more difficult positions on the team to fill, and that for the most part a RB relies on those parts more than those parts rely on a RB.

 

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