John from Riverside Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Didnt the wife cover the reasons for NOT being pregnant just as you point them out in your post? it was addressed.....I think husband was just but hurt he wasn't consulted.
ajzepp Posted November 21, 2011 Author Posted November 21, 2011 It's gotten to the point where I genuinely do not care about this show any more. The first ep of the season was pretty good, but the last few have just been a bunch of idiots standing around complaining. And seriously, how long are we looking for this girl? It's not like she was any sort of major character beforehand so there is no way anyone in the audience is emotionally involved in the search. So yeah, plot is going nowhere. More than that every character complains incessantly/acts without logic. I mean honestly, who on earth would advocate going through a pregnancy IN THE MIDDLE OF A ZOMBIE HOLOCAUST?!? Really no one sees the downside of a crying infant or an 8 month pregnant woman trying to outrun the marauding hordes of the undead? I realize dropping the a-bomb pisses off the silent majority(kind of like our zombies...but with progress)but there isn't going to be any form of honest conversation about the logistics of post-apocalyptic pregnancy? We just go straight to the judgmental tongue lashing? And really, do morning after pills just have the words "morning after pills" printed on the front of the package? And if Herschel won't let them stay on the farm fine, but there is another farm like half a mile away. The house is always slightly in the distance. Just go there. Hey look, I just secured safe haven in the end times. Such a frustrating show because the concept is great, the comics are good enough, but the show is a disaster. Think we need to start thinning out the cast. This endless search has killed (pun!) the momentum. It no longer feels like the stakes are life and death which makes all the histrionics that much more unpalatable. Let the walkers in the barn loose and chomp a good 4-5 people out of my misery. This is some of what I've been struggling with the last few episodes. This season started out mad balls for me...I was REALLY excited for the first few weeks, but the last three episodes have had me watching the clock. I don't know if this was the point where Darabont was shown the door, but the show just has completely lost its mojo for me right now. As for this little girl, God bless her, but I'm at the point now where if she shows up healthy as a horse I'm gonna hve to call bullshiznit. Every time these people go off on their own, they get attacked by the walkers and sometimes barely make it out of the confrontation alive. Are you telling me some little girl can find a way to stay alive out in the woods all by herself for days at a time and end up being found/rescued? There's no way I'll abandon the show, but somethign fishy is goign on here. The last three have been totally different than almost every other episode, and I really hope they get back to what made this show great. Maybe this show needs more Tgreg? haha
Astrojanitor Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) Didnt the wife cover the reasons for NOT being pregnant just as you point them out in your post? it was addressed.....I think husband was just but hurt he wasn't consulted. she took the pills, changed her mind, and then the two of them started shrieking at each other. The characters don't have interesting shades to the personalities...nothing seems to be thought out, discussed and placed into the logic of the situation. During that conversation did Rick have any concern for his wife? Was there any closeness between the two? No, just a judgmental dink yelling at a harpie. It makes the scene so shallow because it really doesn't respect the history between the characters. We are talking about a husband and wife whose love propelled season one, a little bit of tenderness would just make sense. Same thing is going on with Shane (cop #2). Since shooting otis he has been acting like a sociopath. The conflict isn't being folded into Shane's previously established personality...he shoots Otis and now we have a brand new character who happens to look exactly like Shane. The melodrama works when the characters are fighting to survive. However they are (physically) in a safe and calm place, yet everyone's spazz dial is still set to 11. It's an exhausting way to deal with conflict since the behaviors don't make sense in context. All the yelling and crying is great awards bait, but it's totally derailing the show. Right now the show is like Desperate Housewives...except for about 2 minutes every week when teri hatcher offs a zombie. I'm pretty sure the popularity of the show is now because dudes are willing to sit through a lot in the name of watching a zombie attack. It's all zombie porn but we're being forced to dissect the motivations of the pool boy. Or pizza delivery guy..nurse...I don't know, other porn occupation. This is some of what I've been struggling with the last few episodes. This season started out mad balls for me...I was REALLY excited for the first few weeks, but the last three episodes have had me watching the clock. I don't know if this was the point where Darabont was shown the door, but the show just has completely lost its mojo for me right now. As for this little girl, God bless her, but I'm at the point now where if she shows up healthy as a horse I'm gonna hve to call bullshiznit. Every time these people go off on their own, they get attacked by the walkers and sometimes barely make it out of the confrontation alive. Are you telling me some little girl can find a way to stay alive out in the woods all by herself for days at a time and end up being found/rescued? There's no way I'll abandon the show, but somethign fishy is goign on here. The last three have been totally different than almost every other episode, and I really hope they get back to what made this show great. Maybe this show needs more Tgreg? haha I can see this being a possibility based solely on how cheap the show looks now. I know darabont's exit had a lot to do with money...perhaps he balked at wasting so much time in one location just spinning wheels. You see the same problem with Hell on Wheels. Not a bad show, but the whole thing takes place in a field. Kind of boring to look at. I was hoping this season was going to be like a long road movie. Having been familiar with the books, I thought they'd play up the nomadic aspect of their lives with season three taking place...I won't spoil the books...in the destination they end up in. But no, we are just going to stand outside and mope over some girl I would not be able to recognize if I saw again. The best way to judge genre tv is: would you still watch if the central gimmick was gone? If we were told there would be no more zombies, rather these knuckleheads were just going to make a new society for the rest of the series, I highly doubt any of us would be tuning back in. Edited November 21, 2011 by Astrojanitor
Buftex Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) It's gotten to the point where I genuinely do not care about this show any more. The first ep of the season was pretty good, but the last few have just been a bunch of idiots standing around complaining. And seriously, how long are we looking for this girl? It's not like she was any sort of major character beforehand so there is no way anyone in the audience is emotionally involved in the search. So yeah, plot is going nowhere. More than that every character complains incessantly/acts without logic. I mean honestly, who on earth would advocate going through a pregnancy IN THE MIDDLE OF A ZOMBIE HOLOCAUST?!? Really no one sees the downside of a crying infant or an 8 month pregnant woman trying to outrun the marauding hordes of the undead? I realize dropping the a-bomb pisses off the silent majority(kind of like our zombies...but with progress)but there isn't going to be any form of honest conversation about the logistics of post-apocalyptic pregnancy? We just go straight to the judgmental tongue lashing? And really, do morning after pills just have the words "morning after pills" printed on the front of the package? And if Herschel won't let them stay on the farm fine, but there is another farm like half a mile away. The house is always slightly in the distance. Just go there. Hey look, I just secured safe haven in the end times. Such a frustrating show because the concept is great, the comics are good enough, but the show is a disaster. Think we need to start thinning out the cast. This endless search has killed (pun!) the momentum. It no longer feels like the stakes are life and death which makes all the histrionics that much more unpalatable. Let the walkers in the barn loose and chomp a good 4-5 people out of my misery. I guess I don't hate it as much as you, but I have noticed a lot of what you are talking about...I still find it interesting enough, and and entertaining...I just thoght the first season had a much better tone. Though, the hamfisted use of the Bob Dylan song at the end of season one should have been a clue of what was to come... The writing/editing, or whatever is just not very strong. According to the dialoug, they have only been at the farm for three days (at least in the episode prior to this one) but they have done a poor job of establishing time, so it seems like they have been there for weeks on end...funny, it doesn't even seem like the mother of the little girl is as concerned about her as the others... I agree with John, they are trying to establish the characters a bit more...which is why (I guess I am in the minority) I thought the episode last week, where Darryl (redneck?) gets lost in the woods, was really good...the corny end, where the blond lady shoots him by mistake was sort of silly...but all in all, a good episode. Rick (good cop) going on about being a reluctant leader, or "is there a god" is getting kind of tiresome. I also think they are setting up (obviously) factions in the group...bad cop and blondie, Glenn and the farmers' daughter, Darryl and the missing girls mother...Rick and his family...Old man and "T-Dog"...with as many conflicts as they all seem to have, I find it kind of hard to fathom that they made it as long, toghether, as they have. Agree with whoever said it, the scene between the old man and the bad cop was a little over the top... I can see this being a possibility based solely on how cheap the show looks now. I know darabont's exit had a lot to do with money...perhaps he balked at wasting so much time in one location just spinning wheels. You see the same problem with Hell on Wheels. Not a bad show, but the whole thing takes place in a field. Kind of boring to look at. I was hoping this season was going to be like a long road movie. Having been familiar with the books, I thought they'd play up the nomadic aspect of their lives with season three taking place...I won't spoil the books...in the destination they end up in. But no, we are just going to stand outside and mope over some girl I would not be able to recognize if I saw again. The best way to judge genre tv is: would you still watch if the central gimmick was gone? If we were told there would be no more zombies, rather these knuckleheads were just going to make a new society for the rest of the series, I highly doubt any of us would be tuning back in. The "Ralph Wilson bug" started showing up with "Mad Men", AMC's first real successful show. They wrote a few characters out of the show, and when the company moved to a new office, on the show, I understand, they worked on a really small set and had difficulty getting a lot of standard camera angles down, due to space limitations. Somebody in another thread, maybe the "Breaking Bad" thread, suggested that, perhaps, AMC had struck "too much gold" with "Mad Men", "Breaking Bad" and "The Walking Dead" and just couldn't afford to sustain shows with such unexpected, lofty, reputations. Perhaps the dreadful "Killing" will help get them back on track!! Edited November 21, 2011 by Buftex
Astrojanitor Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) I guess I don't hate it as much as you, but I have noticed a lot of what you are talking about...I still find it interesting enough, and and entertaining...I just thoght the first season had a much better tone. Though, the hamfisted use of the Bob Dylan song at the end of season one should have been a clue of what was to come... The writing/editing, or whatever is just not very strong. According to the dialoug, they have only been at the farm for three days (at least in the episode prior to this one) but they have done a poor job of establishing time, so it seems like they have been there for weeks on end...funny, it doesn't even seem like the mother of the little girl is as concerned about her as the others... I agree with John, they are trying to establish the characters a bit more...which is why (I guess I am in the minority) I thought the episode last week, where Darryl (redneck?) gets lost in the woods, was really good...the corny end, where the blond lady shoots him by mistake was sort of silly...but all in all, a good episode. Rick (good cop) going on about being a reluctant leader, or "is there a god" is getting kind of tiresome. I also think they are setting up (obviously) factions in the group...bad cop and blondie, Glenn and the farmers' daughter, Darryl and the missing girls mother...Rick and his family...Old man and "T-Dog"...with as many conflicts as they all seem to have, I find it kind of hard to fathom that they made it as long, toghether, as they have. Agree with whoever said it, the scene between the old man and the bad cop was a little over the top... The "Ralph Wilson bug" started showing up with "Mad Men", AMC's first real successful show. They wrote a few characters out of the show, and when the company moved to a new office, on the show, I understand, they worked on a really small set and had difficulty getting a lot of standard camera angles down, due to space limitations. Somebody in another thread, maybe the "Breaking Bad" thread, suggested that, perhaps, AMC had struck "too much gold" with "Mad Men", "Breaking Bad" and "The Walking Dead" and just couldn't afford to sustain shows with such unexpected, lofty, reputations. Perhaps the dreadful "Killing" will help get them back on track!! That may be what they are trying to do, but it's not working out very well. Think proof is so few people remember character names. In this thread they are getting described as "old man" and "cop #2". They spend all this time developing characters and we still have a bunch of one-dimensional archetypes. Therefore the old man acts even more like an old man, bad cop acts like a crazy person, distraught blonde is borderline suicidal, moral center (rick) is an ineffectual reactionary...etc etc. So in lieu of characters that matter we are stuck with several weeks worth of propping up cliches. It's making watching the show such an empty experience. A drag since there is so much potential. And if it does indeed take place over three days that opens up a whole new set of problems. Look at how well carl is doing. A kid is going to be up and running around 3 days after being shot? 2 days after a surgery done under those circumstances? I realize reality is not something I should turn to during zombie fiction...but you have to make sense at least. I got the impression they've been hanging around for several weeks based on the depth of glenn's relationship and Carl's progress. But I'm sure I'm wrong, I really do think they are claiming this is going down over the course of a holiday weekend. The scenes in the house reminded me of the movie Aliens as they explored where people made their last stands. I think the Walking Dead is amazing at their set pieces, and last night's visuals in the garage were no exception. absolutely, the show is so powerful when it interacts with the world. Probably my favorite sequence ever in a film is the rural airport scene in the original Dawn of the Dead. Some of the details in that scene are devastating...in particular the note left on a pizza box. Such a true detail. Walking Dead hits little details like that all of the time. Also why its so frustrating watching them dick around in a field for the past three weeks. Listening to them bicker is irritating, few zombies and nothing interesting to look at. Edited November 21, 2011 by Astrojanitor
CosmicBills Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Maybe this show needs more Tgreg? haha I need to hire you as my agent. I'm still catching up with the show now that my other project has wrapped. I'm hoping watching them in marathon sessions will help push me through some of the rough patches in Season 2. I hope?
John from Riverside Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 I need to hire you as my agent. I'm still catching up with the show now that my other project has wrapped. I'm hoping watching them in marathon sessions will help push me through some of the rough patches in Season 2. I hope? project wrapped up...
DrFishfinder Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 It seems to me what they are trying to do through recent episodes is some "Character biulding" Still some awkward moments..... - They are driving down the road and from out of nowhere the Blonde needs a sexual fix? WTF where did that come from as these two have biult absolutely no chemistry in that way so far through the series. While I am wondering why it has taken this long for someone to notice the blonde is a hot female she to me seems a bit on the "quiet crazy" side.......I would sleep with one eye open there - Why does the old man care what the blonde does? He just seems entirely over protective of her and needs to realize he is dealing with adults not children..... - The contfrontation between the old man and Cop #2 seemed overly dramatic..... - I like the setting they are laying out with the Cop #2 and how he might be put out as a villian in the future.....he saved himself by wining the fat guy earlier....was banging the cops wife (even though they thought the cop was dead) but still and have been holding it secret (and now the secret is out) My favorite charactor so far is the cops wife.....excellent actress and she is portraying her conflict awesomely......when she came out that she had been banging Cop #2 because she thought her husband was dead I found myself say "That took grit to come out with that and tell the truth" she forced me to engage her charactor and want to understand her a little better....thats acting. My least favorite is the cop's wife. She comes across as a self centered brat. Ripping her husband for not telling her about the walkers in the barn and then non-justifying not telling Rick about her pregnancy was teeth grinding. But.....it's the writers, not her (I keep telling myself).
Buftex Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 My least favorite is the cop's wife. She comes across as a self centered brat. Ripping her husband for not telling her about the walkers in the barn and then non-justifying not telling Rick about her pregnancy was teeth grinding. But.....it's the writers, not her (I keep telling myself). I think she was ripping the husband for not telling him that the doctor wanted the gang off his land, once her son was healthy. It makes sense, cuz she was having inner-turmoil about whether to have her baby or not...maybe on the farm, you could bring a kid up with some joy, but not out in the world...
Assquatch Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 It seems to me what they are trying to do through recent episodes is some "Character biulding" Still some awkward moments..... - They are driving down the road and from out of nowhere the Blonde needs a sexual fix? WTF where did that come from as these two have biult absolutely no chemistry in that way so far through the series. While I am wondering why it has taken this long for someone to notice the blonde is a hot female she to me seems a bit on the "quiet crazy" side.......I would sleep with one eye open there I saw the mid-ride romp as an adrenaline rush thing after she just blasted all those zombies.
Dante Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 I saw the mid-ride romp as an adrenaline rush thing after she just blasted all those zombies. Yes the first thing I thought as well.
ajzepp Posted November 22, 2011 Author Posted November 22, 2011 Speaking of adrenaline romps... Blonde chick? Or Farmers Dtr?
GoodBye Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Speaking of adrenaline romps... Blonde chick? Or Farmers Dtr? Or for the ladies...good cop or bad cop?
Astrojanitor Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Speaking of adrenaline romps... Blonde chick? Or Farmers Dtr? the answer is farmer's daughter. All other suggestions are insane
Assquatch Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 the answer is farmer's daughter. All other suggestions are insane Yup
DrFishfinder Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 I think she was ripping the husband for not telling him that the doctor wanted the gang off his land, once her son was healthy. It makes sense, cuz she was having inner-turmoil about whether to have her baby or not...maybe on the farm, you could bring a kid up with some joy, but not out in the world... You are probably right. However, it still a double standard. She is hardly the only one coping with inner turmoil.
EndZoneCrew Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 wow....I did not expect that girl to be in the barn. Well, looks like we will be waiting until February now.
Buff_bills4ever Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) wow....I did not expect that girl to be in the barn. Well, looks like we will be waiting until February now. I have to admit, I hated this show after the first season, but the second season has been much better. The characters are still weak, but at least they (the writers) are trying to be original. Edited November 28, 2011 by Buff_bills4ever
ajzepp Posted November 28, 2011 Author Posted November 28, 2011 That episode redeemed the last few for me. I thought it was pretty strong with a nice intensity and a powerful final scene. I love the way they've developed Rick and Shane, and the fallout from this will be very interesting. Good show...looking forward to February (which is much better than having to wait until Oct again!)
Buftex Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 That episode redeemed the last few for me. I thought it was pretty strong with a nice intensity and a powerful final scene. I love the way they've developed Rick and Shane, and the fallout from this will be very interesting. Good show...looking forward to February (which is much better than having to wait until Oct again!) Yeah, I thoght it was real good too. Just wondering though, do you think Herschal (the doctor) knew Sophia was in the barn all along? I can see why he wouldn't tell the gang, when he was still trying to keep the barn walkers secret, but once the news was out, why wouldn't he tell them? It might have helped the gang understand his point of view, that these were people, not walking dead carcasses.
Recommended Posts