1B4IDie Posted November 26, 2010 Posted November 26, 2010 (edited) They're both making big plays in this game but Fairley is making bigger plays. That excessive celebration penalty was BS. Fairley had a dirty rep but this guy is stepping up big time. One of these guy could be the Bills first round pick. Also please quit the Robert Quinn talk he is too risky with too short of a resume to take in the first round. Edited November 26, 2010 by Why So Serious?
JStranger76 Posted November 26, 2010 Posted November 26, 2010 I like both of em' but really can't see taking a 3-4 DE in the top 10. Now, were we to revert back to the 4-3 full time like we have been playing a lot more of lately I could absolutely see Fairly next to Kyle "the truth" Williams on a 4 man line! The question is: are the Bills hell bent on going to a 3-4 no matter what?.............
Magox Posted November 26, 2010 Posted November 26, 2010 I wouldn't mind Fairley, but I also wouldn't mind Quinn. I saw every single game that Quinn played last year and he has everything that you would love to see out of a DE. Great size, height, wingspan, speed, strength, hustle and technique.
1B4IDie Posted November 26, 2010 Author Posted November 26, 2010 (edited) I like both of em' but really can't see taking a 3-4 DE in the top 10. Now, were we to revert back to the 4-3 full time like we have been playing a lot more of lately I could absolutely see Fairly next to Kyle "the truth" Williams on a 4 man line! The question is: are the Bills hell bent on going to a 3-4 no matter what?............. That is the big question. And that effects draft needs. If they want to move to a 3-4 they no exaggeration have to draft atleast 4 LBs with OLB being the unquestioned #1 priority. We don't have a 3-4 OLB on the roster. You have to draft 4 and hope two pan out as starters and atleast 1 of the other ones can be developed for depth and Special Teams If they stick with the 4-3 then Marcell Dareus and Nick Fairley make more sense. Problem is there really isn't an OLB ranked high enough for a top 10 pick, and LT are questionable. (secretly I think we could be in for another "luxury" pick, as in AJ Green or Patrick Peterson as they would be the true Best Player Available if the Bills pick in the Top5) Edited November 26, 2010 by Why So Serious?
DrDawkinstein Posted November 26, 2010 Posted November 26, 2010 I like both of em' but really can't see taking a 3-4 DE in the top 10. Now, were we to revert back to the 4-3 full time like we have been playing a lot more of lately I could absolutely see Fairly next to Kyle "the truth" Williams on a 4 man line! The question is: are the Bills hell bent on going to a 3-4 no matter what?............. it doesnt matter if it was a 3-4, 4-3, or even a 2-5. putting Fairley and Williams out there next to each other will create problems for every team we play. we MUST get stronger along the defensive line, against the run and in the pass rush. Williams wasnt supposed to be good in the 3-4, yet he's played well in any formation we run. Good, dominant, strong DLine players will make plays regardless of the scheme.
1billsfan Posted November 26, 2010 Posted November 26, 2010 I like both of em' but really can't see taking a 3-4 DE in the top 10. Now, were we to revert back to the 4-3 full time like we have been playing a lot more of lately I could absolutely see Fairly next to Kyle "the truth" Williams on a 4 man line! The question is: are the Bills hell bent on going to a 3-4 no matter what?............. Why? We need one desparately. Nick Fairley's true position is a 3/4 defensive end at the next level in the Richard Semour mold. He's an unbelievable pass rusher and you don't waste those special guys in the middle of a 4/3 defensive line. The Bills would be stupid to pass on that guy.
JStranger76 Posted November 26, 2010 Posted November 26, 2010 or make others around them look better no matter the scheme. Touche' Dr. Even if 3-4 no matter what is the goal it would be hard to not at least LIKE the selection of Fairly. You might not love it, but I don't see how you could knock it either.
Magox Posted November 26, 2010 Posted November 26, 2010 I for one would love to see both Williams and Fairley lined up together.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 26, 2010 Posted November 26, 2010 They're both making big plays in this game but Fairley is making bigger plays. That excessive celebration penalty was BS. Fairley had a dirty rep but this guy is stepping up big time. One of these guy could be the Bills first round pick. Also please quit the Robert Quinn talk he is too risky with too short of a resume to take in the first round. Oh please...stop whining about the "too risky, short resume" bull crap. Just because the front office whiffed on Maybin, a player with similar risk factors, does not mean that Quinn will also be a bust. Maybin is too small and too weak to play OLB in the 3-4, and was a TERRIBLE draft choice. Quinn is 6-5, 270 lbs., and was clocked at 4.38 seconds in the 40 yard dash!! The guy is a once-in-a-decade prospect...an absolute freak. Watch some film on Quinn, and then formulate your own opinion. Don't dismiss him as a possible draft pick just because of the Maybin debacle. Better yet...watch the you tube video of him man-handling Anthony Castonso, one of the highest rated LT prospects in this years draft.
1B4IDie Posted November 26, 2010 Author Posted November 26, 2010 Oh please...stop whining about the "too risky, short resume" bull crap. Just because the front office whiffed on Maybin, a player with similar risk factors, does not mean that Quinn will also be a bust. Maybin is too small and too weak to play OLB in the 3-4, and was a TERRIBLE draft choice. Quinn is 6-5, 270 lbs., and was clocked at 4.38 seconds in the 40 yard dash!! The guy is a once-in-a-decade prospect...an absolute freak. Watch some film on Quinn, and then formulate your own opinion. Don't dismiss him as a possible draft pick just because of the Maybin debacle. Better yet...watch the you tube video of him man-handling Anthony Castonso, one of the highest rated LT prospects in this years draft. Or watch these clips and read this assessment which I agree with : http://player-rater.blogspot.com/2010/09/robert-quinn-2011-draft-scouting-report.html At first glance, his stats appear to be great; 52 tackles, 11 sacks Sophomore year. But let's take a closer look. Let's divide the stats from all of the North Carolina games last year based on the strength of the teams Quinn played against. Against The Citadel, East Carolina, Virginia, Georgia Southern, Duke, Boston College, and North Carolina State (7 games), he got ALL of his 11 sacks and 33 of his tackles; against Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Florida State, Miami, Connecticut, and Georgia Tech (6 games), he got a mere 19 tackles and 0 sacks! That is a staggering dispersion of stats between teams he played! He made absolutely no impact in games against good teams, yet he dominated against bad teams.
purple haze Posted November 27, 2010 Posted November 27, 2010 I like both of em' but really can't see taking a 3-4 DE in the top 10. Now, were we to revert back to the 4-3 full time like we have been playing a lot more of lately I could absolutely see Fairly next to Kyle "the truth" Williams on a 4 man line! The question is: are the Bills hell bent on going to a 3-4 no matter what?............. Why can't you see taking a 3-4 DE in the top 10? Bruce Smith was a 3-4 end. So was Reggie White. Because a 34 End is supposed to hold the point of attack, etc. etc. doesn't mean other things won't be done with him if he has the skills to do other things. Fairley or Dareus would be very good picks wherever they can be gotten. They stand out when they play, against top competition. Either one would be as good for the Bills as any draft pick could be. Problem is there really isn't an OLB ranked high enough for a top 10 pick, and LT are questionable. (secretly I think we could be in for another "luxury" pick, as in AJ Green or Patrick Peterson as they would be the true Best Player Available if the Bills pick in the Top5) Peterson is not a luxury pick at all. Or Amukamara the DB from Nebraska. McGee has been getting banged up a lot. Florence is a FA after this season. Reggie Corner is a nickel back not a starter, Youboty is the same, so we have Leodis and a bunch of questions. Why shouldn't they draft an impact CB?
1B4IDie Posted November 27, 2010 Author Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) Why can't you see taking a 3-4 DE in the top 10? Bruce Smith was a 3-4 end. So was Reggie White. Because a 34 End is supposed to hold the point of attack, etc. etc. doesn't mean other things won't be done with him if he has the skills to do other things. Fairley or Dareus would be very good picks wherever they can be gotten. They stand out when they play, against top competition. Either one would be as good for the Bills as any draft pick could be. Peterson is not a luxury pick at all. Or Amukamara the DB from Nebraska. McGee has been getting banged up a lot. Florence is a FA after this season. Reggie Corner is a nickel back not a starter, Youboty is the same, so we have Leodis and a bunch of questions. Why shouldn't they draft an impact CB? I don't think drafting Spiller was a luxury pick and I wouldn't think taking the BPA if it's a CB is "luxury" pick, but you know Bills fans heads would explode if Nix took a CB with the first. Especially if an impact Front7 player like Fairley was on the board. I would think it shows a strategy of Nix taking the BPA however the needs of this team are Front7 and if there is a tie between a CB and D-Line you have to go D-Line. If Fairley plays like he did today in the SEC championship and the National Title game he'll shoot to the top like Suh. Btw Reggie White played on 4-3 his whole career. Edited November 27, 2010 by Why So Serious?
JStranger76 Posted November 27, 2010 Posted November 27, 2010 I knew someone would bring up Bruce but come on man, Reggie NEVER played in a 3-4. But like I said, you make a place for a guy like Fairly. I'm not sure Darius is a perfect fit in anything other than the Warren Sapp "penetrator" role. I said not sure about, not positive though concering Darius.
bobobonators Posted November 27, 2010 Posted November 27, 2010 Oh please...stop whining about the "too risky, short resume" bull crap. Just because the front office whiffed on Maybin, a player with similar risk factors, does not mean that Quinn will also be a bust. Maybin is too small and too weak to play OLB in the 3-4, and was a TERRIBLE draft choice. Quinn is 6-5, 270 lbs., and was clocked at 4.38 seconds in the 40 yard dash!! The guy is a once-in-a-decade prospect...an absolute freak. Watch some film on Quinn, and then formulate your own opinion. Don't dismiss him as a possible draft pick just because of the Maybin debacle. Better yet...watch the you tube video of him man-handling Anthony Castonso, one of the highest rated LT prospects in this years draft. johnny, i know you love quinn, but you have to acknowledge that the fact that he only really played one season in college and hasn't played at all this season, is going to significantly affect his draft position/value. if we pick in top 10, no way in hell I draft a player that has 1 season of college ball under his belt. We missed w/maybin two years ago, so far we've missed w/spiller, and we can't afford to take a high gamble on an unproven player. we need more of a "sure-thing", if there ever is one in the draft.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 27, 2010 Posted November 27, 2010 I don't think drafting Spiller was a luxury pick and I wouldn't think taking the BPA if it's a CB is "luxury" pick, but you know Bills fans heads would explode if Nix took a CB with the first. Especially if an impact Front7 player like Fairley was on the board. I would think it shows a strategy of Nix taking the BPA however the needs of this team are Front7 and if there is a tie between a CB and D-Line you have to go D-Line. If Fairley plays like he did today in the SEC championship and the National Title game he'll shoot to the top like Suh. We cannot take a DB high and leave the DL and LB positions without a stud talent. We need about 4-5 positions filled between DL and LB. WE don't need any right now at DB. No matter what Nix or Gailey or Modrak say publicly, ALL draft picks in all drafts for all teams in all rounds is an argument between BPA and BPA at a position of need. If the Bills are on the clock and the BPA is a cornerback and the next BPA on their board is a DE they are taking the DE, not the BPA. And every round that follows exactly the same. You weigh the BPA and the BPA (or players) available at positions of need and then you decide which you think will help your team more.
1B4IDie Posted November 27, 2010 Author Posted November 27, 2010 (edited) We cannot take a DB high and leave the DL and LB positions without a stud talent. We need about 4-5 positions filled between DL and LB. WE don't need any right now at DB. No matter what Nix or Gailey or Modrak say publicly, ALL draft picks in all drafts for all teams in all rounds is an argument between BPA and BPA at a position of need. If the Bills are on the clock and the BPA is a cornerback and the next BPA on their board is a DE they are taking the DE, not the BPA. And every round that follows exactly the same. You weigh the BPA and the BPA (or players) available at positions of need and then you decide which you think will help your team more. I'm not advocating for a CB. Draftnicks are creaming in their shorts over Patrick Peterson and now Prince as in some are saying they both have higher ceilings than Revis. If I'm drafting for the Bills I take all CBs off my draft board because you're right the needs are too great at LB and DE. I would be fine if 4 LBs and 2 D-line man were taken in this draft. However Nix is an unknown quality anything can be expected including one of these CBs or AJ Green being selected. Be prepared to have your mind blown when Nix is picking that's mostly what I'm trying to say. Edited November 27, 2010 by Why So Serious?
bbb Posted November 27, 2010 Posted November 27, 2010 That Fairley was total BS, as the OP said. I'm shocked Auburn came back. I thought that was going to be their last chance to change the momentum.
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 27, 2010 Posted November 27, 2010 Why? We need one desparately. Nick Fairley's true position is a 3/4 defensive end at the next level in the Richard Semour mold. He's an unbelievable pass rusher and you don't waste those special guys in the middle of a 4/3 defensive line. The Bills would be stupid to pass on that guy. True that he would be a great addition. Which begs the question of which CB or WR they will pick instead?
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 27, 2010 Posted November 27, 2010 That is the big question. And that effects draft needs. If they want to move to a 3-4 they no exaggeration have to draft atleast 4 LBs with OLB being the unquestioned #1 priority. We don't have a 3-4 OLB on the roster. You have to draft 4 and hope two pan out as starters and atleast 1 of the other ones can be developed for depth and Special Teams If they stick with the 4-3 then Marcell Dareus and Nick Fairley make more sense. Problem is there really isn't an OLB ranked high enough for a top 10 pick, and LT are questionable. (secretly I think we could be in for another "luxury" pick, as in AJ Green or Patrick Peterson as they would be the true Best Player Available if the Bills pick in the Top5) Poz can play and so can Quinn.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 27, 2010 Posted November 27, 2010 Or watch these clips and read this assessment which I agree with : http://player-rater.blogspot.com/2010/09/robert-quinn-2011-draft-scouting-report.html At first glance, his stats appear to be great; 52 tackles, 11 sacks Sophomore year. But let's take a closer look. Let's divide the stats from all of the North Carolina games last year based on the strength of the teams Quinn played against. Against The Citadel, East Carolina, Virginia, Georgia Southern, Duke, Boston College, and North Carolina State (7 games), he got ALL of his 11 sacks and 33 of his tackles; against Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Florida State, Miami, Connecticut, and Georgia Tech (6 games), he got a mere 19 tackles and 0 sacks! That is a staggering dispersion of stats between teams he played! He made absolutely no impact in games against good teams, yet he dominated against bad teams. So, you're basing your opinion on an "assessment" made by a 14 year old, self-proclaimed "NFL Draft Scout." Well though out. johnny, i know you love quinn, but you have to acknowledge that the fact that he only really played one season in college and hasn't played at all this season, is going to significantly affect his draft position/value. if we pick in top 10, no way in hell I draft a player that has 1 season of college ball under his belt. We missed w/maybin two years ago, so far we've missed w/spiller, and we can't afford to take a high gamble on an unproven player. we need more of a "sure-thing", if there ever is one in the draft. I acknowledge that, by general rule, it is risky to spend a high first round draft pick on a player with a "short resume." It is preferable to draft players who have demonstrated, consistently, that they are worthy of such a huge investment in money and resources. I doubt, however, that this will hurt Quinn's draft position. I suspect that after the combine he will pretty much assured himself as a top 5 draft pick. I'm not completely sold on Quinn. I also really like Fairley and Dareus...amongst other prospects. I'm just tired of hearing some people say that we should not even consider Quinn based on his body of work. That's silly. We need to weigh all of our options.
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