Should Nix Trade Spiller?

[Ramius]

You build a team in the trenches. That's how Parcells does it. And in Bills history, it wasn't until Lou Saban brought in solid lineman that OJ went from wash out to all-pro.

 

 

You mean the same parcells who built the trenches for a now floundering Miami team while Atlanta smartly took Matt Ryan and are now the best team in their conference?

 

Parcells will get you no further than 9-7.

[coldstorage5]

Yes good thing you are not the GM,..... You ever heard of rookies?? They are green players that need time to mature. Sometimes, more than 9 Games.

[DFITZ1]

You mean the same parcells who built the trenches for a now floundering Miami team while Atlanta smartly took Matt Ryan and are now the best team in their conference?

 

Parcells will get you no further than 9-7.

Didn't Miami go to the playoffs with Parcells? So you would not want Parcells in the Bills organization.

 

Go ahead, keep drafting your Lynch's, Losman's, Magahee's, and so forth without the quality lineman and stay in sub-mediocrity.

 

Are you saying Atalanta's O-line sucks?

[aristocrat]

You mean the same parcells who built the trenches for a now floundering Miami team while Atlanta smartly took Matt Ryan and are now the best team in their conference?

 

Parcells will get you no further than 9-7.

 

atlanta also took sam baker in the first round with ryan to solidify that line. atlanta addressed their line as well as picking the qb at the top of the draft...this is the scenario i would like to see the bills in.

[Russ 'Em]

I'm just glad we finally know who came up with the enlightened idea that "you build a team in the trenches." I've heard this thrown around for about 20 years (or for the whole time I've been watching football). Nice to finally give someone credit for this idea.

[DFITZ1]

atlanta also took sam baker in the first round with ryan to solidify that line. atlanta addressed their line as well as picking the qb at the top of the draft...this is the scenario i would like to see the bills in.

That's what I've been talking about for 10 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Before someone has a cow - the Bills draft finally addressed the o-line with Wood/Levitre. That bolstered the interior, but they let the tackles deteriorate, so it was a wash.

[BobDVA]

this is crazy talk. fred is 30 and probably has 2 more seasons in him at this kinda level[max]. spiller is a young guy who will be the feature back.

 

This is correct!

[DFITZ1]

I'm just glad we finally know who came up with the enlightened idea that "you build a team in the trenches." I've heard this thrown around for about 20 years (or for the whole time I've been watching football). Nice to finally give someone credit for this idea.

You can take that back to Lou Saban. The Electric Company is a classic example of how building an o-line can turn a team around (too bad they didn't have the same luck on the defensive side back then).

[aristocrat]

That's what I've been talking about for 10 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Before someone has a cow - the Bills draft finally addressed the o-line with Wood/Levitre. That bolstered the interior, but they let the tackles deteriorate, so it was a wash.

 

i'm right with ya, the draft with wood, levitre, byrd was great and then we got away from building that corps drafting spiller. he's a good player but just no what we needed

[DFITZ1]

This is correct!

What's crazy? It's drafting "feature" RB's and not building an o-line. A feature back without blocking is a mediocre back. Hopefully this next off-season will address that and other "trench" positions.

 

i'm right with ya, the draft with wood, levitre, byrd was great and then we got away from building that corps drafting spiller. he's a good player but just no what we needed

That was the point of my first post, outlandish or not. We can draft all the feature skill players we want but if the "trench" positions aren't addressed, this team will keep spinning its wheels in the mud of mediocrity. I'd say we'd be the LA Clippers of the NFL, but that's an insult to the Buffalo Braves teams that made the playoffs in the 70's.

[Nasty]

A Rochester D&C article alluded that Nix/Gailey drafted Spiller because they didn't realize how good Fred Jackson is (I presume they knew Lynch was going to go). Assuming we have more need positions than draft or FA signings can fill, would it make sense to trade Spiller? Naturally, it would have to be the right deal, but considering we need a DT, OT, LB, TE, QB (franchise, that is), it might be a viable option. If we could get a #1 or #2 pick, or perhaps a player for player swap for one of the need positions, it might get us one step closer to playoffs in 2011. Trading for a quality TE would help the offense immensely.

I have to ask this question "Do you even watch the Bills?" A NT and a QB are not considered areas of need, I will even go out on a limb and say OT is not a critical area of need anymore, we can get one of those in the later round. We really need LB's and a TE but there is no way we trade Spiller and rely on a 30 something year old back for our future....

[DFITZ1]

I have to ask this question "Do you even watch the Bills?" A NT and a QB are not considered areas of need, I will even go out on a limb and say OT is not a critical area of need anymore, we can get one of those in the later round. We really need LB's and a TE but there is no way we trade Spiller and rely on a 30 something year old back for our future....

Yes I do watch the Bills and their pass rush is pathetic. NT is better with Williams, but DE is mediocre. The LB corp isn't that impressive (like you said). Kelsey has been pushed around like a rag doll more than once. Please keep in mind the last 2 games have been against 2 bad teams, and the Bungles have essentially laid down and died. As for the other positions, Sunday's game and the last 3 games will tell what areas remain critical.

 

OK, trading Spiller is crazy, but I'm tired of watching this team ignore critical areas of need in drafts year after year and waste talent. The 2 areas you mention (LB and TE) are noteworthy. Maybe if we had better luck with FA's we wouldn't have so many weak spots.

[rpcolosi]

this is crazy talk. fred is 30 and probably has 2 more seasons in him at this kinda level[max]. spiller is a young guy who will be the feature back.

 

 

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[QB Bills]

A Rochester D&C article alluded that Nix/Gailey drafted Spiller because they didn't realize how good Fred Jackson is (I presume they knew Lynch was going to go). Assuming we have more need positions than draft or FA signings can fill, would it make sense to trade Spiller? Naturally, it would have to be the right deal, but considering we need a DT, OT, LB, TE, QB (franchise, that is), it might be a viable option. If we could get a #1 or #2 pick, or perhaps a player for player swap for one of the need positions, it might get us one step closer to playoffs in 2011. Trading for a quality TE would help the offense immensely.

as with any of these trade scenarios, it all depends on what you can get...if you could get joe thomas or jake long for spiller, of course you would do it (at least i would) but the problem is, you'd never get anywhere close to that...for one, trades don't work that way anymore, and two, running backs are far too interchangeable (another reason why it was dumb to draft yet another RB at 9th) and therefore have less trade value than other positions

[Zulu Cthulhu]

The bills in the past 3 seasons drafted wood and levitre, replaced a horrific center with a servicable one, and drafted troup and carrington, two DLs.

 

But yea, they arent trying to improve the trenches.

 

They're called facts. Use them.

Edited November 26, 2010 by Zulu Cthulhu

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I give you a lot of credit Fitzy. Creating a thread stating that we should trade Spiller was absurd, but at least you stuck around to defend yourself. Big props

[Bill from NYC]

I will even go out on a limb and say OT is not a critical area of need anymore

 

The OP is being slammed for his perhaps poorly expressed frustration at the Bills wasting a #9 on Spiller, but your quote above is equally, if not more outrageous.

 

Bell doesn't completely suck anymore, and we have virtually no competent RT on the squad. Not a critical need? The Bills will never be strong until they have a high quality pair of OTs. Years ago they had a star studded defense and the lost because the OL was horrible. Since then, they have drafted primarily secondary players and running backs with their top selections. The result was a decade of losing football games.

 

I can understand the OP's frustration. Your comment however is mind boggling.

[Buffalo Billy]

This is correct!

Actually, no. He is 29, and won't be 30 for a few more months.

 

Does nobody know how to to 5 seconds of research? I mean jeeze I've even seen people claim he was 32. 9 times out of 10 people get his age wrong.

 

The OP is being slammed for his perhaps poorly expressed frustration at the Bills wasting a #9 on Spiller, but your quote above is equally, if not more outrageous.

 

Bell doesn't completely suck anymore, and we have virtually no competent RT on the squad. Not a critical need? The Bills will never be strong until they have a high quality pair of OTs. Years ago they had a star studded defense and the lost because the OL was horrible. Since then, they have drafted primarily secondary players and running backs with their top selections. The result was a decade of losing football games.

 

I can understand the OP's frustration. Your comment however is mind boggling.

How is not considering RT to be a "critical need" MORE outrageous than trading our first round pick in his rookie season? Bell has been decent, the RT depth has been holding their own, and the offense is firing now. So no, I agree that RT is not a "critical need".

[Thoner7]

A Rochester D&C article alluded that Nix/Gailey drafted Spiller because they didn't realize how good Fred Jackson is (I presume they knew Lynch was going to go). Assuming we have more need positions than draft or FA signings can fill, would it make sense to trade Spiller? Naturally, it would have to be the right deal, but considering we need a DT, OT, LB, TE, QB (franchise, that is), it might be a viable option. If we could get a #1 or #2 pick, or perhaps a player for player swap for one of the need positions, it might get us one step closer to playoffs in 2011. Trading for a quality TE would help the offense immensely.

 

Well a smart GM never would have drafted Spiller in teh first place. Now I am afraid Nix ahs to sleep in the bed he mad.

 

I dont have any confidence in Nixs regime to draft good players.

[Bill from NYC]

How is not considering RT to be a "critical need" MORE outrageous than trading our first round pick in his rookie season? Bell has been decent, the RT depth has been holding their own, and the offense is firing now. So no, I agree that RT is not a "critical need".

 

Look, I understand that Ralph paid out a huge signing bonus when he drafted Spiller to play at a position at which we were deep. I also understand that his production would not invite trade offers to even almost approach the #9 that was wasted on a part time running back.

 

As for RT, you do see that the Buffalo Bills football team is 2-8, no? Our RTs are nobodies who have been beaten half to death, penalized, and plucked off practice squads. Am I wrong?

 

Sometimes I think that some Bills Fans have been watching poor line play for SOOOO long that they lost sight of just how much it means.

The Bills, along with 2 of their divisional opponents, play in the elements. Sometimes passing is close to impossible. They will always need to be a strong, physical team to win football games. The Levy/Jauron mentality of concentrating on little shrimps was a dismal failure. Surely you noticed.

 

Again, the OP didn't do a great job in terms of voicing his frustration imo. However, to think that we are even close to being OK at the OT position is equally over the top.

 

Jmo.

Edited November 26, 2010 by Bill from NYC