Three guys the Bills need to extend

[Steven in MD]

I believe he was referring to KEVIN Greene.

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I was talking about Kevin Greene.

 

The point I was making it that TD has a history of not resigning his stars in favor of signing FA that come cheap. It is easy in retrospect to say that a player never panned out after leaving Buffalo, but some have.

[34-78-83]

I was talking about Kevin Greene. 

 

The point I was making it that TD has a history of not resigning his stars in favor of signing FA that come cheap.  It is easy in retrospect to say that a player never panned out after leaving Buffalo, but some have.

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Although none of the players you cited as an example seemed to

[MDH]

I was talking about Kevin Greene. 

 

The point I was making it that TD has a history of not resigning his stars in favor of signing FA that come cheap.  It is easy in retrospect to say that a player never panned out after leaving Buffalo, but some have.

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You call those players on your list above "stars"....um, okay. All were washed up, injured, or sucked.

 

Wiley and Washington are the two he let go. He made the right call keeping Moulds instead of Wiley and got a ample replacement for Washington with Adams.

[todd]

I doubt any of them will resign unless they are willing to take less than the market.  TD does not like to resign his players, but rather try to find bargin players.

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Hmm. Eric Moulds ring a bell? Aaron Schobel?

 

I don't know, but I find it hard to imagine that Donahoe would actually think, "Let's see, I don't want to resign my player even if he's good, so I'll find a bargain."

 

I just don't see it.

[todd]

I was talking about Kevin Greene. 

 

The point I was making it that TD has a history of not resigning his stars in favor of signing FA that come cheap.  It is easy in retrospect to say that a player never panned out after leaving Buffalo, but some have.

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And who might those people be? Marcellus Wiley? Sam Cowart? Peerless Price?

 

I know you're still bitter at TD for getting rid of the overpriced players who you loved, but it's time to get over it. It's been YEARS, man. The axe has been ground to a nub, don't you think?

[Like A Mofo]

Nodnarb, good post as always. I especially agree with extending Jonas Jennings, offensive lines take the longest to jell over time, sure the Bills can use another OL, but why let a good one walk away who knows the system?

[34-78-83]

And who might those people be? Marcellus Wiley? Sam Cowart? Peerless Price?

 

I know you're still bitter at TD for getting rid of the overpriced players who you loved, but it's time to get over it. It's been YEARS, man. The axe has been ground to a nub, don't you think?

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Overpriced is putting it kindly for some of them....

[Steven in MD]

Although none of the players you cited as an example seemed to 

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How about Newman, Foreman, Irvin and Washington

[Guest Guest_Coach_Tuesday]

I was talking about Kevin Greene. 

 

The point I was making it that TD has a history of not resigning his stars in favor of signing FA that come cheap.  It is easy in retrospect to say that a player never panned out after leaving Buffalo, but some have.

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Whoa. Be a man, just admit you were wrong here. That's just one of the more ridiculous statements that's ever been posted on this Board (or at least since I've been here). Cheap FAs? Fletcher, Spikes, Milloy, Villareal, these guys weren't cheap. Come on. The fact that you cite Bryce Fisher in your argument is downright laughable...

[todd]

How about Newman, Foreman, Irvin and Washington

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Umm, okay. Who is better, newman or any of our current LBs. Hmmm. Irvin? You've got to be kidding me. Didn't someone pay him a ton of dollars to watch him turn to toast?

 

I'll give you washington. Love that guy. But Pat and Sam are good, as well.

 

Steven, you've backed yourself in a corner again. It's been a long time since you've started your whinefest over old, overvalued players. I thought you were over it. Facts don't support your overly-emotional evaluation of reality.

[34-78-83]

How about Newman, Foreman, Irvin and Washington

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Forget about Newman and Irvin. They have been nothing but depth players at best since their jettison. Foreman has done OK as a starter in Houston, but was replaced in effect by Posey, who is atleast as good and costs about the same. Washington was a great player but commanded a HUGE salary when he left and we couldn't afford it due to the FAT contacts of too many other players.

[Steven in MD]

Umm, okay. Who is better, newman or any of our current LBs. Hmmm. Irvin? You've got to be kidding me. Didn't someone pay him a ton of dollars to watch him turn to toast?

 

I'll give you washington. Love that guy. But Pat and Sam are good, as well.

 

Steven, you've backed yourself in a corner again. It's been a long time since you've started your whinefest over old, overvalued players. I thought you were over it. Facts don't support your overly-emotional evaluation of reality.

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I guess I just look at his history of letting home grown talent in both Pittsbrugh and Buffalo go. Maybe I do not give him enough credit for the FA his signs, but then again maybe is just is not very good at drafting

[Guest Guest_Coach_Tuesday]

I guess I just look at his history of letting home grown talent in both Pittsbrugh and Buffalo go.  Maybe I do not give him enough credit for the FA his signs, but then again maybe is just is not very good at drafting

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Ugh... stop, stop. Now you're contradicting yourself. The reason he's able to let players depart without overpaying them is BECAUSE he's good at drafting. You're making an ass out of yourself, man...

[todd]

I guess I just look at his history of letting home grown talent in both Pittsbrugh and Buffalo go.  Maybe I do not give him enough credit for the FA his signs, but then again maybe is just is not very good at drafting

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Good God. It's well chronicled that the Pitt ownership had no interest in spending money on signing bonuses. Donahoe did damn well with the hand he'd been dealt. I wonder what would have happened if he didn't get Bettis. That was a horrible move, right?

 

Please, please, please show me how bad Donahoe is at drafting. I'd love to see you try and prove that one.

[34-78-83]

I guess I just look at his history of letting home grown talent in both Pittsbrugh and Buffalo go.  Maybe I do not give him enough credit for the FA his signs, but then again maybe is just is not very good at drafting

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You just aren't going to get it are you? It appears Todd knows something more about this than I but I agree w/ him that you need to drop the grudge and open your eyes a little wider. BTW the drafts are looking pretty good overall.

[Steven in MD]

Good God. It's well chronicled that the Pitt ownership had no interest in spending money on signing bonuses. Donahoe did damn well with the hand he'd been dealt. I wonder what would have happened if he didn't get Bettis. That was a horrible move, right?

 

Please, please, please show me how bad Donahoe is at drafting. I'd love to see you try and prove that one.

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Let's look at the 2004 Bills and see how well TD has drafted....(Only players in the 1st 3 rounds)

 

Travis Henry....Replaced with WM (who he drafted, and I gave him s**t for, but looks to be a good draft pick). Still he did draft TH and 3 yrs later he will be gone.

 

Denney and Kelsey both 2nd rounders who will not be around too much longer. Though both are improving.

 

Mike Williams...overpaid and will be replaced when his cap hit is lighter.

 

Josh Reed...Replaced with Lee Evans.

 

Coy Wire....Replaced with Milloy

[Beerball]

How about Newman, Foreman, Irvin and Washington

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Second tier players who would not start on this team, Mt. Ted excepted. As a matter of fact, would Newman and Foreman make the roster?

[Guest Guest_Coach_Tuesday]

Let's look at the 2004 Bills and see how well TD has drafted....(Only players in the 1st 3 rounds)

 

Travis Henry....Replaced with WM (who he drafted, and I gave him s**t for, but looks to be a good draft pick).  Still he did draft TH and 3 yrs later he will be gone.

 

Denney and  Kelsey both 2nd rounders who will not be around too much longer.  Though both are improving.

 

Mike Williams...overpaid and will be replaced when his cap hit is lighter.

 

Josh Reed...Replaced with Lee Evans.

 

Coy Wire....Replaced with Milloy

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You are officially an idiot. I'll move on.

[todd]

Let's look at the 2004 Bills and see how well TD has drafted....(Only players in the 1st 3 rounds)

 

Travis Henry....Replaced with WM (who he drafted, and I gave him s**t for, but looks to be a good draft pick).  Still he did draft TH and 3 yrs later he will be gone.

 

Denney and  Kelsey both 2nd rounders who will not be around too much longer.  Though both are improving.

 

Mike Williams...overpaid and will be replaced when his cap hit is lighter.

 

Josh Reed...Replaced with Lee Evans.

 

Coy Wire....Replaced with Milloy

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Oh, so only players in the first three rounds, eh? Do lower draft choices not count, or doesn't it support your silly argument?

 

I'd say that three years of 1,000+ yards is good ROI for Henry. Why is this a bad draft pick? I think it's a damn good one. You're wrong there.

 

Mike Williams has been playing quite well this year. Do you actually *watch* football, or just read Jerry Sullivan columns?

 

Coy Wire - quite a good ST player.

 

Let's see - Josh Reed (a 2nd rounder) replaced with Lee Evans (who happens to be a Donahoe draft pick paying off in his rookie year). Not sure what you are trying to argue here, but you're looking quite foolish.

 

I don't know why you chose not to evaluate lower picks, but I consider those part of a draft. Let's look at a few, can we?

 

1. Jonas Jennings. Hmmm. He was a 3rd round pick. Why do you neglect to mention him? Hmmm? Maybe because it makes you look foolish?

2. Willis. Looking like a damn good pick, isn't he? Oh, sorry, I forgot that Donahoe stinks at drafting.

3. Aaron Schoebel. Hmmm. Do you have a problem with that pick?

4. Freddie Smith - 7th round. When a 7th round player does well, that tells you something, right? Like maybe Donahoe is good at drafting?

5. There's some guy named Terence McGee on the Bills team. I think he's run for a few TDs. Remind me how many, please. And you might want to check what round he was drafted in, and by who. (Hint: 4th, Donahoe)

6. Nate Clements. Please explain how he's a bad pick.

7. Ron Edwards. 3rd Round. Very good part of the Bills rotation.

[Steven in MD]

Oh, so only players in the first three rounds, eh? Do lower draft choices not count, or doesn't it support your silly argument?

 

I'd say that three years of 1,000+ yards is good ROI for Henry. Why is this a bad draft pick? I think it's a damn good one. You're wrong there.

 

Mike Williams has been playing quite well this year. Do you actually *watch* football, or just read Jerry Sullivan columns?

 

Coy Wire - quite a good ST player.

 

Let's see - Josh Reed (a 2nd rounder) replaced with Lee Evans (who happens to be a Donahoe draft pick paying off in his rookie year). Not sure what you are trying to argue here, but you're looking quite foolish.

 

I don't know why you chose not to evaluate lower picks, but I consider those part of a draft. Let's look at a few, can we?

 

1. Jonas Jennings. Hmmm. He was a 3rd round pick. Why do you neglect to mention him? Hmmm? Maybe because it makes you look foolish?

2. Willis. Looking like a damn good pick, isn't he? Oh, sorry, I forgot that Donahoe stinks at drafting.

3. Aaron Schoebel. Hmmm. Do you have a problem with that pick?

4. Freddie Smith - 7th round. When a 7th round player does well, that tells you something, right? Like maybe Donahoe is good at drafting?

5. There's some guy named Terence McGee on the Bills team. I think he's run for a few TDs. Remind me how many, please. And you might want to check what round he was drafted in, and by who. (Hint: 4th, Donahoe)

6. Nate Clements. Please explain how he's a bad pick.

7. Ron Edwards. 3rd Round. Very good part of the Bills rotation.

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Todd...I cannot win...if I would have included late round picks you would have said that who expects anything from late round picks. When I don't include them you comment on how I tailor the data to exclude the gems of TD. You and I will never agree about TD. I still like your insight, and unlike you do not think you are a fool.