flomoe Posted November 18, 2010 Posted November 18, 2010 thats why fans dont make the QB decisions. As Marv always said, when you start listening to the fans, you will soon be sitting with them.
Mango Posted November 18, 2010 Posted November 18, 2010 while kelly was great, the guys who love numbers would not like him. he had a bunch of seasons throwing for under 50% and his td-int was regularly around 50/50. the win column is what made him good
Albany,n.y. Posted November 18, 2010 Posted November 18, 2010 while kelly was great, the guys who love numbers would not like him. he had a bunch of seasons throwing for under 50% and his td-int was regularly around 50/50. the win column is what made him good You have no idea what you're talking about. Kelly's lowest completion percentage for a season was 55.7% in 1995. Here are his completion % stats and td/int #s for each season: 1986: 59.4; 22/17 1987: 59.7 19/11 1988: 59.5 15/17 1989: 58.3 25/18 1990: 63.3 24/9 1991: 64.1 33/17 1992: 58.2 23/19 1993: 61.3 18/18 1994: 63.6 22/17 1995: 55.7 22/13 1996: 58.6 14/19 Total: 60.1 237/175
wonderbread Posted November 18, 2010 Posted November 18, 2010 You have no idea what you're talking about. Kelly's lowest completion percentage for a season was 55.7% in 1995. Here are his completion % stats and td/int #s for each season: 1986: 59.4; 22/17 1987: 59.7 19/11 1988: 59.5 15/17 1989: 58.3 25/18 1990: 63.3 24/9 1991: 64.1 33/17 1992: 58.2 23/19 1993: 61.3 18/18 1994: 63.6 22/17 1995: 55.7 22/13 1996: 58.6 14/19 Total: 60.1 237/175 Nice work!
Spiderweb Posted November 18, 2010 Posted November 18, 2010 A lot of Bills fans have forgotten that when Kelly got hurt Todd Collins came in and beat the Cowboys. There were numerous calls to replace Kelly with Collins! Pro tip: most fans aren't too bright. I too remember the calls for Collins. So stupid were they.
JPS Posted November 18, 2010 Posted November 18, 2010 You have no idea what you're talking about. Kelly's lowest completion percentage for a season was 55.7% in 1995. Here are his completion % stats and td/int #s for each season: 1986: 59.4; 22/17 1987: 59.7 19/11 1988: 59.5 15/17 1989: 58.3 25/18 1990: 63.3 24/9 1991: 64.1 33/17 1992: 58.2 23/19 1993: 61.3 18/18 1994: 63.6 22/17 1995: 55.7 22/13 1996: 58.6 14/19 Total: 60.1 237/175 Kinda settles that I guess..
Chandler#81 Posted November 18, 2010 Posted November 18, 2010 while kelly was great, the guys who love numbers would not like him. he had a bunch of seasons throwing for under 50% and his td-int was regularly around 50/50. the win column is what made him good WTF? You must mean BRIAN Kelly. Under 50%? 50/50td-iNT?? Not once. Riiiiiight..
RevWarRifleman Posted November 18, 2010 Posted November 18, 2010 while kelly was great, the guys who love numbers would not like him. he had a bunch of seasons throwing for under 50% and his td-int was regularly around 50/50. the win column is what made him good Yes, I recall Kelly having some games where for about 3 quarters he would stink it up, throws off the mark, some interceptions, what have you. Then, the next time our offense came onto the field, bam, touchdown. And that would be the case for about the next 6 - 7 minutes of play. At the end of the game, a W for the Bills.
TDO'Kearney Posted November 18, 2010 Posted November 18, 2010 I even remember entire games where Kelly was just terrible, like this one I drove up to go to back in the day, but the same with Brett Favre. You still couldn't argue with the fact that more often than not he was great, and just took teams apart in the SB years. If the Bills can get a QB like that they have to take him. As much as I admire Fitz'z heart so far, I haven't seen this type of game from Fitz yet.
Buftex Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 Sports fans are pretty fickle...sports writers are too. I distinctly remember, during the 1992 season, around week 12, the Cowboys got beaten pretty bad, by the Rams IIRC. Cowboys fans were up in arms, saying that Troy Aikman would "never lead a team to the Super Bowl"...I remember a columnist for the Austin-American Statesman even implored Jimmy Johnson not to "waste a great opportunity to win a championship on Troy Aikman"...he, and everyone else, it seemed, wanted Steve Beaurline (sp?) to be handed the starting job...I don't need to remind anyone here, Aikman went on to not only lead the Cowboys to a Super Bowl that very year...but to three in 4 years...and Aikman went down as one of the most efficient QB's in NFL playoff history...rarely had eye-popping stats in the playoffs, but played near perfect games...people are stupid everywhere, not just Buffalo!
Geno Smith's Arm Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 I even remember entire games where Kelly was just terrible, like this one I drove up to go to back in the day, but the same with Brett Favre. You still couldn't argue with the fact that more often than not he was great, and just took teams apart in the SB years. If the Bills can get a QB like that they have to take him. As much as I admire Fitz'z heart so far, I haven't seen this type of game from Fitz yet. I don't think he is Jim Kelly, but to expect him to have games like Kelly without guys like Reed, Thomas, Lofton, and Metzelaars is a bit unrealistic. I really like Fitz and we will know by the end of this season if he has what it takes....
nucci Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 There were calls to bench Kelly and play Frank after the Niners game in Dec '89 after he threw 3 picks and the Bills lost their 3rd in a row before beating the Jets in last game. He then went to Cleveland and threw for 400 yds and lost when Harmon dropped the ball.
Nuncha Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 In 1989 after Kelly got hurt & Reich won games when he was out, some fans wanted Reich to remain the starter. Marv was adamant that as soon as Kelly was ready, Reich was going back to the bench. So while there was a QB controversy with the fans & in the media, there was none on the team. I think that was the year Bill Polian got pissed during an interview and said something like "Jim Kelly is the quarterback, if you don't like it get out of town".
Metal Man Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 Haha, well, Reich did get plenty of PT -- especially in the first Dallas debacle. When Kelly got hurt in that game the score was only 14-7. Who knows what could have happened had he been able to play the entire game? One thing is for sure, we do know what happened when Reich played in a Superbowl and that should have silenced all the "should have started Reich" crowd.
bbb Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 When Kelly got hurt in that game the score was only 14-7. Who knows what could have happened had he been able to play the entire game? One thing is for sure, we do know what happened when Reich played in a Superbowl and that should have silenced all the "should have started Reich" crowd. Was it really? My memory was that we were already getting spanked when Reich came in.
Metal Man Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) Was it really? My memory was that we were already getting spanked when Reich came in. I doubled checked to make sure I wasn't misremembering. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXVII#Game_summary Looks like the drive Kelly went down in ended in a FG too so 14-10 in the 2nd quarter. Not saying Kelly would have won the game but I for one would have rather had him playing the rest of the game despite Reich's play-off magic a couple weeks before. Edited November 19, 2010 by Metal Man
bbb Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 I doubled checked to make sure I wasn't misremembering. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXVII#Game_summary Looks like the drive Kelly went down in ended in a FG too so 14-10 in the 2nd quarter. Not saying Kelly would have won the game but I for one would have rather had him playing the rest of the game despite Reich's play-off magic a couple weeks before. Ah, then it was me misremembering. I think all of Kelly's turnovers had me thinking that they were getting killed already........I would really liked to have seen what Reich could have done if he got the starting nod after his brilliance in the Oilers/Steelers games. Kelly didn't do much against Miami, and per this recount, he really was horrible vs. Dallas......The only time I would not have started Kelly, and only because Reich was so hot and Kelly was not.
Metal Man Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 Ah, then it was me misremembering. I think all of Kelly's turnovers had me thinking that they were getting killed already........I would really liked to have seen what Reich could have done if he got the starting nod after his brilliance in the Oilers/Steelers games. Kelly didn't do much against Miami, and per this recount, he really was horrible vs. Dallas......The only time I would not have started Kelly, and only because Reich was so hot and Kelly was not. Well the way that the Dallas offense was able to move the ball on the Bills D pretty easily the entire game it probably wouldn't have made much difference anyway. Nice to dream though.
bbb Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 Well the way that the Dallas offense was able to move the ball on the Bills D pretty easily the entire game it probably wouldn't have made much difference anyway. Nice to dream though. True that!........But, we also had some insane amount of turnovers, which I believe is still the record.......But, at least the Bills had a great time partying their a$$es off that week.
Mango Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 You have no idea what you're talking about. Kelly's lowest completion percentage for a season was 55.7% in 1995. Here are his completion % stats and td/int #s for each season: 1986: 59.4; 22/17 1987: 59.7 19/11 1988: 59.5 15/17 1989: 58.3 25/18 1990: 63.3 24/9 1991: 64.1 33/17 1992: 58.2 23/19 1993: 61.3 18/18 1994: 63.6 22/17 1995: 55.7 22/13 1996: 58.6 14/19 Total: 60.1 237/175 meant to write 60 sorry guys
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