Luck supporters get used to Mallett~

[1B4IDie]

The Bills do not have a good enough offensive line for Mallett. He would not last a game here. I would rather have Cameron than him. If not luck then go Offensive line or a great front 7 defensive player.

It's not 2008. If you haven't noticed the line has been pass blocking pretty well. If you get a player that works out at RT or LT then move Bell to RT and add depth at C you now have what could be an above average line with 3 top 3 round drafted players. (1. Wood, 2 Levitre, 3 2011 draft)

Mallet is just as mobile as Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Philip Rivers, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady. You don't have 65% completion percentage against the best defenses in college football in the SEC by being a slouch.

Fans have turned Luck into something he can never be already. If you actually watch the Stanford games and not read about them I think you're left with a feeling that Luck is definitely a good QB but definitely needs some major development. By 2012 he'll be closer to what fans think he is now. He looks Very robotic, and does what Harbough tells him to do and not much more than that. He hasn't developed the IT factor. If you actually watch the games and see something different I'd be surprised.

Mallet however looks like a baby Peyton Manning with all the pre snap non sense his does. Gesticulating and generally carrying on in the backfield to try and confuse much better SEC defenses than the PAC-10. He has mastery of that offense and much more of the IT factor.

 

Keep in mind both can stay in because of the labor situation.

 

The Bills may have the top pick with no QBs to choose from. Then we'll consider ourselves lucky for finding Fitzy in 2010.

Edited November 9, 2010 by Levitre + Wang = Wood

[The Senator]

There is much merit in this post. Still, one would hope that with a top 5 pick in every round, the OL situation could be improved. Also, while Mallett isn't very mobile, his arm is so extremely powerful that he doesn't need to step into most of his throws.

 

There are all different types of arm strength. JP for instance had a very powerful arm. However, Mallett could stand flat footed and make the same throws as JP.

 

I agree that Mallett is not a very safe selection, but I base this more on his maturity level from what people say, although his coach says he has matured a great deal. Imo if this kid can be coached up, the Bills would have a QB custom made for the winds and the cold of WNY, Foxboro and the swamps of NJ.

 

 

Again, jmo.

Bill, I think Mallett is a VERY safe pick - and also think that, if he's there when we're 'on the clock', he's the guy Nix will take. If Chan Gailey and George Cortez got Fitz playing this well, I have no doubts they can work wonders with a not-so-raw Sasquatch-of-a-QB like Ryan Mallett. And yeah, it'll be fun - for a change - watching a guy who can throw the ball 70 yards into a gale-force wind!

 

And I'm not nearly as concerned about the O-line as you (maybe I should be), especially if Nix can grab Gabe Carimi in round 2 or trade back into round one if necessary to get him. They still need to address DE and OLB/ILB needs in the mid-rounds, so I expect they'll address any add'l O-line needs thru trades, UFAs, and free agency - along with another year of experience/maturity for the current crew.

 

But Mallett's the key. Then, Carimi.

 

GO BILLSSS!!!!

Reverse the Curse!!!!!

Edited November 9, 2010 by The Senator

[JohnC]

There is much merit in this post. Still, one would hope that with a top 5 pick in every round, the OL situation could be improved. Also, while Mallett isn't very mobile, his arm is so extremely powerful that he doesn't need to step into most of his throws.

 

There are all different types of arm strength. JP for instance had a very powerful arm. However, Mallett could stand flat footed and make the same throws as JP.

 

I agree that Mallett is not a very safe selection, but I base this more on his maturity level from what people say, although his coach says he has matured a great deal. Imo if this kid can be coached up, the Bills would have a QB custom made for the winds and the cold of WNY, Foxboro and the swamps of NJ.

 

 

Again, jmo.

 

 

If Mallett is rated in the range of 15-18 as a player and you are picking in the 1-3 spot do you take Mallett? Would you take an impact defensive player and then maybe be able to get the Auborn qb or Locker in the second round? Or do you just follow your board and get the best players you can get to address your many needs? A lot of tough choices and a lot of time to consider those choices. That is one benefit of following an out of the running type team.

[Steve0022]

I watched every pass play Harbaugh called in the 2009 game against USC and I don't feel like Luck should be the top pick. He is mobile and makes some highlight reel throws but his accuracy is actually even less consistent than Fitzpatrick's. He's a downgrade from Fitz in my opinion. Unless Luck has improved a lot there is no way he should even be considered.

 

I haven't seen Mallet but his statistics look pretty similar to Brian Brohm's in Bobby Petrino's system. Brohm still hasn't got his chance by the way, this is a coaching staff that gave the majority of reps to Trent Edwards through the offseason. We have two good young quarterbacks, I think we take the best player regardless of position if we are stuck at the top pick. Let's make sure we land a guy who's bust will be in Canton.

[Greybeard]

His post, besides being downright painful to read, offered little to support to his original point (see his earlier post) that the Bills are better off losing the rest of their games, or at least enough to ensure a high draft pick. His post was, in fact, moronic, as is anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

 

If you don't like his posts, don't read them. I always appreciate when some takes the effort to compile data. Edwards Arm put more effort into that post than most modern day sports writers put into their articles.

 

Edwards Arm

[KOKBILLS]

There is much merit in this post. Still, one would hope that with a top 5 pick in every round, the OL situation could be improved. Also, while Mallett isn't very mobile, his arm is so extremely powerful that he doesn't need to step into most of his throws.

 

There are all different types of arm strength. JP for instance had a very powerful arm. However, Mallett could stand flat footed and make the same throws as JP.

 

I agree that Mallett is not a very safe selection, but I base this more on his maturity level from what people say, although his coach says he has matured a great deal. Imo if this kid can be coached up, the Bills would have a QB custom made for the winds and the cold of WNY, Foxboro and the swamps of NJ.

 

 

Again, jmo.

 

I think you and I are seeing Mallett the exact same way Bill...And I think it should be made clear that no one outside of his direct Family and maybe some folks in Arkansas is saying Mallett is a sure thing, cause he's not...But neither is Luck...

 

What Mallett has is upside...Almost endless upside...He has an arm made for RWS...Folks want to talk about his mobility and how he's going to get killed behind our line, I disagree...I think one thing Fitz has shown is that Gailey's Offense is a rhythm Passing Offense...You take your drop and you fire it...Mallett should fit right in...And unless the Bills can build an effective Run Offense anyone outside of the 2nd coming of Flutie is going to get banged around a bit...So lets not kid ourselves...Watch Mallett in games...He's got that big QB pocket sense, kind of like Big Ben...What I mean is he keeps his eyes down field and does not seem to be overly concerned about taking a hit because he's 6-6-250...He's a REAL big dude for a QB...And he may not be Mike Vick back there, but in comparison to say Tom Brady, Mallett is a gazelle...

 

With Mallett it's all going to come down to his dedication...How hard will he work on his Game and how concerned is he with being the best? Cause the physical skill are there in abundance...He may not be the greatest interview or have the highest GPA (He reminds me of Big Ben in that regard), but watching this Kid pick apart SEC Defenses week in and week out is going to impress Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey...I promise everyone on this board it will...Watch this Arkansas Team...When Mallett goes out and gives them an early lead you can just see the play elevate all over the Field...even on Defense! It's Arkansas not Alabama out there...There's something to be said for it...Don't disregard the Gailey factor where Mallett is concerned either...If Gailey thinks he can Coach the Kid to greatness he's going to skyrocket up the Bills Draft Board, maybe even to that top spot...

 

We'll see soon enough I guess...But no question in my mind...Right now as things stand today (and yes things can change a lot in 6 Months) Mallett is every bit as much of a consideration for The Bills Pick in the 1st Round as any other current College Player...And maybe a little more than anyone, outside of Luck, because he's a QB...

Edited November 9, 2010 by KOKBILLS

[stony]

Bill, I think Mallett is a VERY safe pick - and also think that, if he's there when we're 'on the clock', he's the guy Nix will take. If Chan Gailey and George Cortez got Fitz playing this well, I have no doubts they can work wonders with a not-so-raw Sasquatch-of-a-QB like Ryan Mallett. And yeah, it'll be fun - for a change - watching a guy who can throw the ball 70 yards into a gale-force wind!

 

And I'm not nearly as concerned about the O-line as you (maybe I should be), especially if Nix can grab Gabe Carimi in round 2 or trade back into round one if necessary to get him. They still need to address DE and OLB/ILB needs in the mid-rounds, so I expect they'll address any add'l O-line needs thru trades, UFAs, and free agency - along with another year of experience/maturity for the current crew.

 

But Mallett's the key. Then, Carimi.

 

GO BILLSSS!!!!

Reverse the Curse!!!!!

 

Mallet will get destroyed behind our line. Yes, it has improved somewhat from last year, yes I believe it will continue to do so. But Fitz has excelled thus far because he is willing to take shots and because he doesn't do a whole lot of seven step PA drops. He has proven to be very,very durable because in short, what does he have to lose. Also, why do we need a guy who can throw it 70yds into "gale force winds?"

[The Senator]

If you don't like his posts, don't read them. I always appreciate when some takes the effort to compile data. Edwards Arm put more effort into that post than most modern day sports writers put into their articles.

 

Edwards Arm

I don't read them, because they're painful to read - in fact, once I sign-in, I don't even see them 'cause he's on my 'ignore' list.

 

The info he wastes so much time compiling and posting is readily available to anyone with a search engine, and the conclusions he draws from those volumes of data are spurious.

 

I decided months ago that, to continue enjoying TSW, especially with the recent influx of troll-like provocateurs, I'd have to put anyone that irks me on my 'ignore' list - which is where I just put you.

 

I suggest you put me on yours.

Edited November 9, 2010 by The Senator

[The Dean]

You don't know with any more certainty than the "Luck-lovers" what Andrew Luck will do. There have been reports both that he is staying and that he is leaving.

 

 

The Senator knows everything!

 

 

Truth is, now that he has proclaimed Luck WILL stay in school, you can probably bet your life savings he will come out.

 

Of course I don't KNOW what Luck will do after this season. But if he is in line to be the #1 (or #2) pick in the draft, he'd be a bit foolish to stay in school. It's done wonders for Jake Locker's draft status.

[The Senator]

Also, why do we need a guy who can throw it 70yds into "gale force winds?"

I take it you've never been to a game in Orchard Park.

 

The Senator knows everything!

 

 

Truth is, now that he has proclaimed Luck WILL stay in school, you can probably bet your life savings he will come out.

Now you've done it, Dean - you're gone and blown up the whole strategy.

 

You're next on the 'ignore' list, buddy!

 

 

 

 

 

(Seriously, have any of my predictions ever come to pass? )

[stony]

I take it you've never been to a game in Orchard Park.

 

I make it to at least two games a year, and always pick at least one game to "enjoy" the elements. I just don't think a reasonable OC would ever call a play that requires our QB to throw it over 50yds into 32-63mph wind. Maybe get aggressive when the winds are at our back, but definitely not when were going into them.

Edited November 9, 2010 by stony

[1B4IDie]

The Senator knows everything!

 

 

Truth is, now that he has proclaimed Luck WILL stay in school, you can probably bet your life savings he will come out.

 

Of course I don't KNOW what Luck will do after this season. But if he is in line to be the #1 (or #2) pick in the draft, he'd be a bit foolish to stay in school. It's done wonders for Jake Locker's draft status.

If owners know they are going to lockout players why would they sign and pay huge money to rookies that won't play?

They don't lose anything by waiting until the Lockout is over to sign rookies, they own the rights until February.

One of the major issues in the labor negotiations is rookie salary cap, the NFLPA isn't completely opposed to some sort of rookie salary cap. So again why would a team pay the #1 pick 60 mil in guaranteed money with a huge signing bonus then lock the players out?

 

Its very likely that 1st round picks will have to wait awhile to sign a contract and worst case scenario reenter the 2012 draft.

Luck has 3.2+ GPA in an Engineering program at Stanford. He is too smart to get caught up in the nonsense.

Mallet isn't a rocket scientist but he has a year of eligibility left, who knows if he comes out.

Locker will be in the 2011 draft but I hope the Bills stay away from the Bust Locker early.

Edited November 9, 2010 by Levitre + Wang = Wood

[Ozymandius]

Fans have turned Luck into something he can never be already. If you actually watch the Stanford games and not read about them I think you're left with a feeling that Luck is definitely a good QB but definitely needs some major development. By 2012 he'll be closer to what fans think he is now. He looks Very robotic, and does what Harbough tells him to do and not much more than that. He hasn't developed the IT factor. If you actually watch the games and see something different I'd be surprised.

Mallet however looks like a baby Peyton Manning with all the pre snap non sense his does. Gesticulating and generally carrying on in the backfield to try and confuse much better SEC defenses than the PAC-10. He has mastery of that offense and much more of the IT factor.

 

Mallett a baby Manning? He has the "IT factor" but Luck doesn't? That's ridiculous.

 

Arkansas ranks 44th in the country in 3rd down conversion. Stanford ranks 2nd. http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct

 

Also go back to last season when Arkansas ranked a lowly 103rd in the country in 3rd down conversion while Stanford ranked 21st. http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct/year/2009 . 103rd in the country is quite frankly embarrassing for a highly rated QB prospect.

 

Luck is a tremendously quick decision maker which is why HE always gets compared to Manning. Did you know he has only taken 3 sacks this season? THREE! And only 6 sacks last season so less than 10 for his career thus far. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=380470 . Mallett has taken 14 sacks this season and 24 sacks last season.

 

There's a reason why Luck is considered far and away the best QB prospect in the country. He has 90% of Mallett's arm strength but many times more mobility, football IQ, regular IQ, and feel for the game. The boy moves the chains. And on top of all that Luck is an explosive athlete, and the devastating hit he laid on that USC defender will remain the stuff of youtube legend.

 

With all that said, I expect Luck to be playing college football next year and I wouldn't mind the Bills taking Mallett. He's no sure thing but no draft pick is and you have to take chances to be great.

[KOKBILLS]

If Mallett is rated in the range of 15-18 as a player and you are picking in the 1-3 spot do you take Mallett? Would you take an impact defensive player and then maybe be able to get the Auborn qb or Locker in the second round? Or do you just follow your board and get the best players you can get to address your many needs? A lot of tough choices and a lot of time to consider those choices. That is one benefit of following an out of the running type team.

 

I doubt very much Mallett will be rated from 15-18 by the time April comes around...If he keeps up what he's doing now, interviews OK and has decent workouts throwing the Ball he'll be Rated in everyone's Top 10 bare minimum...

 

Go ahead and re-do the 2004 Draft...Big Ben was rated right around where he went at #11 overall by most...But where would he go in the Re-Draft? Maybe #1 Overall? #2 or #3 for sure...I was just looking back at some Ratings before that 2004 Draft and Scott Wright from Draftcountdown had Big Ben Rated #4 Overall so good for him, but then he had Phillip Rivers Rated #22 Overall...So...Bottom line is simple...If you think Mallett is a Franchise QB, and Andrew Luck is either off the board or still at Stanford, you Draft him wherever you Pick...If you don't, you pass on him and take the best Defensive Lineman or OT you can get...It's really that simple... But like I said I doubt Mallett will be anything other than a Top 5 Pick by the time it's all said and done, assuming only that he keeps doing what he's doing...Which is completing 67% of his Passes while tearing up the best Conference in College Football week in and week out...

 

Mallett a baby Manning? He has the "IT factor" but Luck doesn't? That's ridiculous.

 

Arkansas ranks 44th in the country in 3rd down conversion. Stanford ranks 2nd. http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct

 

Also go back to last season when Arkansas ranked a lowly 103rd in the country in 3rd down conversion while Stanford ranked 21st. http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct/year/2009 . 103rd in the country is quite frankly embarrassing for a highly rated QB prospect.

 

Luck is a tremendously quick decision maker which is why HE always gets compared to Manning. Did you know he has only taken 3 sacks this season? THREE! And only 6 sacks last season so less than 10 for his career thus far. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=380470 . Mallett has taken 14 sacks this season and 24 sacks last season.

 

There's a reason why Luck is considered far and away the best QB prospect in the country. He has 90% of Mallett's arm strength but many times more mobility, football IQ, regular IQ, and feel for the game. The boy moves the chains. And on top of all that Luck is an explosive athlete, and the devastating hit he laid on that USC defender will remain the stuff of youtube legend.

 

With all that said, I expect Luck to be playing college football next year and I wouldn't mind the Bills taking Mallett. He's no sure thing but no draft pick is and you have to take chances to be great.

 

100% agree...

 

While I like Mallett a lot, Luck is a no-brainer Pick if he comes out...His intangibles are off the Chart...

[The Senator]

I make it to at least two games a year, and always pick at least one game to "enjoy" the elements. I just don't think a reasonable OC would ever call a play that requires our QB to throw it over 50yds into 32-63mph wind. Maybe get aggressive when the winds are at our back, but definitely not when were going into them.

I had no idea the precise measurement of a 'gale-force wind' was 32-63 mph until I just 'Googled' it.

 

Anyway, you've convinced me now - Mallett is no good for us.

 

(If he were to 'launch one' with the wind at that speed, it'd sail all the way to the Peace Bridge.)

Edited November 9, 2010 by The Senator

[stony]

I had no idea the precise measurement of a 'gale-force wind' was 32-63 mph until I just 'Googled' it.

 

Anyway, you've convinced me now - Mallett is no good for us.

 

(If he were to 'launch one' with the wind at that speed, it'd sail all the way to the Peace Bridge.)

 

and it would be quite awesome.

[The Senator]

and it would be quite awesome.

they would likely start scrambling the fighter jets at NFAFB

[Bill from NYC]

I doubt very much Mallett will be rated from 15-18 by the time April comes around...If he keeps up what he's doing now, interviews OK and has decent workouts throwing the Ball he'll be Rated in everyone's Top 10 bare minimum...

 

Absolutely! GMs will just not let someone this talented drop that low. Where was Sanchez expected to be taken? QBs frequently shoot right to the top around draft day, along with Left Tackles and pass rushing DEs.

[1B4IDie]

Mallett a baby Manning? He has the "IT factor" but Luck doesn't? That's ridiculous.

 

Arkansas ranks 44th in the country in 3rd down conversion. Stanford ranks 2nd. http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct

 

Also go back to last season when Arkansas ranked a lowly 103rd in the country in 3rd down conversion while Stanford ranked 21st. http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct/year/2009 . 103rd in the country is quite frankly embarrassing for a highly rated QB prospect.

 

Luck is a tremendously quick decision maker which is why HE always gets compared to Manning. Did you know he has only taken 3 sacks this season? THREE! And only 6 sacks last season so less than 10 for his career thus far. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=380470 . Mallett has taken 14 sacks this season and 24 sacks last season.

 

There's a reason why Luck is considered far and away the best QB prospect in the country. He has 90% of Mallett's arm strength but many times more mobility, football IQ, regular IQ, and feel for the game. The boy moves the chains. And on top of all that Luck is an explosive athlete, and the devastating hit he laid on that USC defender will remain the stuff of youtube legend.

 

With all that said, I expect Luck to be playing college football next year and I wouldn't mind the Bills taking Mallett. He's no sure thing but no draft pick is and you have to take chances to be great.

Read until the period.

Mallet however looks like a baby Peyton Manning with all the pre snap non sense he* does.

*corrected

 

By quoting all the 3rd down stats it seems like you haven't actually watched the games.

If you watch the games you'd know what I mean.

Mallet's pre snap antics are very similar to Manning's pre-snap antics. People that actually watch Mallet play know this.

I'm not comparing their college game play, as I didn't watch many Tennessee games when Manning was in college.

I'm saying his pre-snap antics demonstrate that he plays with a lot of confidence and mastery of his offensive system, as compared to Luck's robotic nature.

 

And yes Mallet does have the swagger and IT factor going for him. I watched the Stanford USC game and when Luck crushed that CB, the hair on my arms stood up. That was amazing.

That however has nothing to do with Mallet.

 

In the greater sense I agree with you, if by some unlikely turn of events Luck is in the 2011 draft.

He is the clear pick.

 

It is very likely Luck will not be there when the Bills pick in 2011.

 

That is the point of this thread.

Edited November 9, 2010 by Levitre + Wang = Wood

[BuffaloFan68]

I would love to get Luck with our first pick but I do feel that Dallas and Carolina are going to be picking ahead of us so I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone by the time we pick. I would be happy with Mallett. He's 6' 7" with one of the strongest arms so he would be a great fit to play in Buffalo. If we can't get one of those 2, I wouldn't mind us trying to trade our first pick for a proven QB (I would still like to get Vick, bash him all you want, he get results.). With our 2nd pick, I would like to get the best DE available. Then somewhere down the line I would like us to get a TE. I really like Andre Smith from VA Tech. He's a big kid that can block and has good hands. When VA Tech doesn't use him they loose.

 

I'm not sold on our Def. Coordinator (yet). He's either a genius that is trying to implement a system that will take years to develop or he's totally in over his head. I still cringe everytime I hear the name Edwards. Perhaps we have the "Edwards curse". Just to be safe we should get rid of anyone with the name Edwards. I would give Dwan Edwards the option of changing his name if he want's to stay. We also loose every game in Toronto so I would put an end to that as well, enough is enough. The 12th man is on the wall in Orchard Park for a reason, not in Toronto.

 

Who do you recommend for our next Def. Coordinator?