Luck supporters get used to Mallett~

[Erik]

I don't think you need to worry - Nix & Co. will not screw up the draft, but we could still lose the Ryan Mallett prize (Luck's staying in school) to any # of teams - Carolina, SF, Dallas, even NE* (via the Raiders pick)!

 

I don't think we have to worry about NE...Oakland is 5-4, which means we need another 5 wins just to catch them!

 

On a side note, getting a first round pick for Seymour was still a steal but for once something didn't break for the Pats, they were talking about having a top 5 pick but now in that weak division it could be in the 20's.

[It's in My Blood]

Why do you waste all this time compiling this crap???

 

1) No one reads it, and

2) I already have Google.

 

I disagree Senator. His post was very informative , well put together , and to be be honest , posts like that are a big reason why I frequent this site. Your posts on the other hand are borderline elementary , offer nothing of substance or intrigue , and are just plain useless and ignorant.

[The Senator]

I am a strong supporter of Andrew Luck. Is he coming out? I don't know and neither do you. Am I rooting for the Bills to lose? No. I'm very confident that the Bills are capable enough of losing based on their own disabilities. Even if Luck was more inclined to stay in school he would have to seriously consider coming out if he was the #1 ranked player. If his current HC (Harbaugh) leaves for another opportunity such as Michigan or the 49ers then I think Luck will very likely come out.

 

 

Although you constantly harrangue Bills fans for being disloyal and rooting against them (which for the most part isn't true) you should focus more of your energies on a very inept owner and ramshackle organization. The Bills are far away from being a relevant team not because of its very irritated fanbase but simply because the organization is very mediocre.

 

Even if the Bills get the first pick and are able to acquire the franchise qb they so much covet the Bills are still years away from being a serious team. The present roster will mostly have to be turned over in the next couple of years. It is a long haul and major endeavor to get out of the deep trench of mediocrity that this franchise is currently in.

Respectfully disagree - in mid-season 1986 Marv Levy took over a team that had consecutive 2-14 seasons in '84 & '85 - two seasons later the Bills finished 12-4, won the AFC East, and went on to the AFC title game against the Bengals.

 

I believe it can - and will - happen again.

 

Regarding the ownership, also respectfully disagree. Any other owner and this team would have been GONE from Western New York DECADES ago, so be very careful what you wish for.

 

And as for my 'haranguing' any and all fans who profess a preference for losing games, well, I'm gonna keep doing that...

 

GO BILLSSS!!!!

 

8 and 8, baby!!!!!

Edited November 8, 2010 by The Senator

[Orton's Arm]

I disagree Senator. His post was very informative , well put together , and to be be honest , posts like that are a big reason why I frequent this site. Your posts on the other hand are borderline elementary , offer nothing of substance or intrigue , and are just plain useless and ignorant.

Thanks Steve! I appreciate this.

[JohnC]

Respectfully disagree - in mid-season 1986 Marv Levy took over a team that had consecutive 2-14 seasons in '84 & '85 - two seasons later the Bills finished 12-4, won the AFC East, and went on to the AFC title game against the Bengals.

 

If Bill Polian was our GM as he was during that period of time I would agree with you.

 

 

 

I believe it can - and will - happen again.

 

Don't you remember the owner cautioned "Pain and Patience"?

 

Regarding the ownership, also respectfully disagree. Any other owner and this team would have been GONE from Western New York DECADES ago, so be very careful what you wish for.

 

Over the past eight years the owner has made nearly a quarter of a billion dollars. He has a good thing going and he knows it. The local fans have been very good to him. He hasn't returned the favor with a respectable product.

 

 

8 and 8, baby!!!!![/i]

 

What future generation do you think this will occur? If you think it is going to happen this year or next then you are certifiably ??????

[stony]

I disagree Senator. His post was very informative , well put together , and to be be honest , posts like that are a big reason why I frequent this site. Your posts on the other hand are borderline elementary , offer nothing of substance or intrigue , and are just plain useless and ignorant.

 

Couldn't agree more. People always complain about where facts come from and now, a good, well researched post gets bashed. It must be another Monday after a Bill's loss...

[Captain Caveman]

You don't know with any more certainty than the "Luck-lovers" what Andrew Luck will do. There have been reports both that he is staying and that he is leaving.

 

If Luck's not smart enough to stay in school with the prospect of a work stoppage coming, I'd rather pass anyway.

[The Senator]

I disagree Senator. His post was very informative , well put together , and to be be honest , posts like that are a big reason why I frequent this site. Your posts on the other hand are borderline elementary , offer nothing of substance or intrigue , and are just plain useless and ignorant.

His post, besides being downright painful to read, offered little to support to his original point (see his earlier post) that the Bills are better off losing the rest of their games, or at least enough to ensure a high draft pick. His post was, in fact, moronic, as is anyone who thinks otherwise.

[T master]

The Billies are going to win a game here - probably next week. Carolina is going to lose out. Bills probably won't have the first pick....Bulldog is going to have to be put in a padded room.

 

I like Mallett too.

 

I really hope we don't get the first pick !! It's way to much of a waste of money especially for a small market team which we are & to big of a gamble ala Tim Couch , Jamarcus Russel !!

 

I know that most great QB'S are taken very high in the draft, but if we take one in the first round , not necessarily at #1 we will be all the better for it .

 

And having a QB like Fitz puts us in the position to NOT have to do some thing stupid and pick say Locker with out first over all pick & have him wind up like Losman or worse .

 

But in true Bills fashion between Ralph & his impatient fan base , we will more than likely get the first QB that comes to us (UNWORTHY) -- get our hopes WAY UP THERE ( ala Losman ,Edwards,) and have the rug pulled out from underneath us as fans yet again rather than install other pieces & pick the perfect Bills team leader .

 

The only way we get that guy is if Nix & Gailey can do the job they were hired to do !!!

 

As i have heard it put once before though "If your gonna be dumb you gotta be tough" Welcome to Buffalo !!

[1B4IDie]

I really hope we don't get the first pick !! It's way to much of a waste of money especially for a small market team which we are & to big of a gamble ala Tim Couch , Jamarcus Russel !!

 

I know that most great QB'S are taken very high in the draft, but if we take one in the first round , not necessarily at #1 we will be all the better for it .

 

And having a QB like Fitz puts us in the position to NOT have to do some thing stupid and pick say Locker with out first over all pick & have him wind up like Losman or worse .

 

But in true Bills fashion between Ralph & his impatient fan base , we will more than likely get the first QB that comes to us (UNWORTHY) -- get our hopes WAY UP THERE ( ala Losman ,Edwards,) and have the rug pulled out from underneath us as fans yet again rather than install other pieces & pick the perfect Bills team leader .

 

The only way we get that guy is if Nix & Gailey can do the job they were hired to do !!!

 

As i have heard it put once before though "If your gonna be dumb you gotta be tough" Welcome to Buffalo !!

This is small minded pussi footed nonsense that got this franchise into the mess it is in.

 

Edwards is the kind of QB you get with this line of thinking.

If you throw out the stupidity of trading UP to get LOSSman in the LATE first, your line of thinking again, the last time the Bills took a QB in the first round was Jim Kelly. It's been 27 years since the Bills took a QB in the first.

Mallet and Luck are both definitely worth it.

If Fitzy doesn't keep up the good play it's time this franchise got it's self a franchise QB.

Edited November 9, 2010 by Levitre + Wang = Wood

[stony]

This is small minded pussi footed nonsense that got this franchise into the mess it is in.

 

Edwards is the kind of QB you get with this line of thinking.

If you throw out the stupidity of trading UP to get LOSSman in the LATE first, your line of thinking again, the last time the Bills took a QB in the first round was Jim Kelly.

Mallet and Luck are both definitely worth it.

If Fitzy doesn't keep up the good play it's time this franchise got it's self a franchise QB.

 

You're mostly right. Saying a QB is gonna be a bust because Russell and Couch flunked out is a weak line of reasoning. For every Russell, there's an Elway. For every Couch, there's an Eli/Peyton.

 

Mallet as a 1st rounder maybe, Luck certainly yes. Just my opinion, but I can't believe all the people who have been quick to throw Locker out the door, especially in favor of Mallet. The dude played on an absolutely horrible team and still registered his fair share of upsets throughout his career (USC twice, blew-out a 19th ranked Cal). He's played hurt this year, and while some of his games can't really be defended (Nebraska), he does the most with the least out of all the major QB prospects. I just wouldn't sleep on him if the Bill's were to trade out of the pick in the event Luck isn't available, or we win a few games and don't get a shot at the best DE, etc.

Edited November 9, 2010 by stony

[Gotta Dream]

We'll see...It's WAY too early to assume that, especially if you've actually watched Mallett play...The questions with Mallett are mostly off the field and in the Film room...And none of those questions have been proven yet...Based on the way he plays, if Mallett interviewed well and had the reputation that Luck has, it would be a heck of a battle between the 2 of them for #1 Overall...And it still may turn out to be...So let's wait and see what happens...I see a lot of folks assuming Mallett is stupid, or a pot head, or a meth head, blah, blah, blah...But on most Saturdays the Kid goes out and puts up big numbers against SEC competition and makes it look pretty easy...His arm is made for Buffalo winters...So I would not be so quick to write him off as a potential #1 or #2 Overall just yet...

 

Totally agree. Mallett's got an arm and can zing those outs better than most. He's also very accurate and has a high completion percentage. Would even be higher if his receivers would stop dropping passes.

[1B4IDie]

You're mostly right. Saying a QB is gonna be a bust because Russell and Couch flunked out is a weak line of reasoning. For every Russell, there's an Elway. For every Couch, there's an Eli/Peyton.

 

Mallet as a 1st rounder maybe, Luck certainly yes. Just my opinion, but I can't believe all the people who have been quick to throw Locker out the door, especially in favor of Mallet. The dude played on an absolutely horrible team and still registered his fair share of upsets throughout his career (USC twice, blew-out a 19th ranked Cal). He's played hurt this year, and while some of his games can't really be defended (Nebraska), he does the most with the least out of all the major QB prospects. I just wouldn't sleep on him if the Bill's were to trade out of the pick in the event Luck isn't available, or we win a few games and don't get a shot at the best DE, etc.

1 thing early first round busts have in common is less than 60% completion percentage.

Locker is not going to finish his college carreer with a greater than 60% completion percentage. Locker early is the kind of risk the franchise cannot take. If Mallet and Luck are off the board (or not in the draft) you go with the best front 7 defender in the draft don't reach on Locker or really any other QB.

If Locker falls to the early 3rd which is very likely. Then Locker could be thought about and developed but I would rather take another LB in the 3rd over another sub par QB.

Edited November 9, 2010 by Levitre + Wang = Wood

[Bart]

The Billies are going to win a game here - probably next week. Carolina is going to lose out. Bills probably won't have the first pick....Bulldog is going to have to be put in a padded room.

 

I like Mallett too.

 

 

Fitz is the best option. We cant afford to waste another top pick on a QB we dont need. Use it to fix our lines.

[NoSaint]

Why would Carolina pass on Luck just because they used a second-rounder on a QB the previous season? Do you pass on a Jaguar just because you already own a Civic?

 

It's tough to get too concerned about this right now, though. A few things have to happen for it to even matter, starting with Luck leaving school.

 

I believe the more apt comparison is passing on the jag for a boat or house because you already have the shiny new civic. Theyre coming away with something valuable, so it might be worth looking at lots selling something other then cars. The car might still be the smart choice though.

[KOKBILLS]

Fitz is the best option.

 

 

Seriously? I mean...I like Fitzy too...But the best option? No way...

[stony]

1 thing early first round busts have in common is less than 60% completion percentage.

Locker is not going to finish his college carreer with a greater than 60% completion percentage. Locker early is the kind of risk the franchise cannot take. If Mallet and Luck are off the board (or not in the draft) you go with the best front 7 defender in the draft don't reach on Locker or really any other QB.

If Locker falls to the early 3rd which is very likely. Then Locker could be thought about and developed but I would rather take another LB in the 3rd over another sub par QB.

 

Yeah, your right on. I'm not advocating him being selected by the Bills early, though. Also, the sub-par 60% has to do w/ a lot of drops and little time in the pocket.

[Orton's Arm]

His post, besides being downright painful to read, offered little to support to his original point (see his earlier post) that the Bills are better off losing the rest of their games, or at least enough to ensure a high draft pick. His post was, in fact, moronic, as is anyone who thinks otherwise.

I am probably making a mistake by replying to you at all. Every word you've written has indicated you have no interest in any sort of reasonable discussion. You label those who disagree with you "moronic," and refuse to read longer posts that present information inconsistent with your preconceived, incorrect notions. Your approach to this discussion has been pure arrogance completely unsupported by intellectual rigor.

 

But just to make the record clear, my initial post contended that a pick early in the first round is worth more than a pick later on in the first round. The premise that a good GM can do as much with a later pick as he could have done with an earlier pick is clearly and demonstrably wrong. Bill Polian is a good GM who's been around for a long time, and has worked for three different teams. During those years, he's had four picks in the top-5, and nine picks in slots 21 - 32. And yet, he acquired significantly more talent with that small number of top-5 picks than he did with the much larger number of picks later in the first round. Do you really need a detailed explanation as to why that example supports the premise that an early pick is worth more than a later pick?

 

I do not expect you to respond to that point--or any other--with intelligent, rational debate. Rather, you will engage in more name-calling, and more arrogance and snide remarks directed against anyone who dares disagree with you. Your parents obviously failed to teach you the basic rudiments of common courtesy, and I certainly do not hope to succeed where they so clearly failed. Continue in the tone you've adopted, but note that I and others will think less of you because of it.

[Trader]

The Billies are going to win a game here - probably next week. Carolina is going to lose out. Bills probably won't have the first pick....Bulldog is going to have to be put in a padded room.

 

I like Mallett too.

The Bills do not have a good enough offensive line for Mallett. He would not last a game here. I would rather have Cameron than him. If not luck then go Offensive line or a great front 7 defensive player.

[Bill from NYC]

The Bills do not have a good enough offensive line for Mallett. He would not last a game here. I would rather have Cameron than him. If not luck then go Offensive line or a great front 7 defensive player.

 

There is much merit in this post. Still, one would hope that with a top 5 pick in every round, the OL situation could be improved. Also, while Mallett isn't very mobile, his arm is so extremely powerful that he doesn't need to step into most of his throws.

 

There are all different types of arm strength. JP for instance had a very powerful arm. However, Mallett could stand flat footed and make the same throws as JP.

 

I agree that Mallett is not a very safe selection, but I base this more on his maturity level from what people say, although his coach says he has matured a great deal. Imo if this kid can be coached up, the Bills would have a QB custom made for the winds and the cold of WNY, Foxboro and the swamps of NJ.

 

 

Again, jmo.