Is Aaron Maybin the Worst Bills' Draft Pick of All Time?

[mannc]

Respectfully disagree. Losman's worst offense was that he wasn't very good...everything else was controlled by the Bills, even having some affect on his results as an NFL QB (Coaching, line, etc.). Maybin can't even get on the field.

 

To more accurately compare Losman and Maybin, Losman's ineptitude would've had to have rsien to the level of never appearing on the field as a starter and never throwing a TD (in other words, Maybin's 20 games without a start and no sacks).

 

Hell, as bad as he was as a QB there were still a couple of games that he just plain won for us...no such comparison with Maybin.

 

There's some surface appeal to that argument, although I can't remember any games that Loseman "just plain won for us". On the other hand, I would argue that the only reason Loseman ever saw the field was a combination of two things: (a) it's impossible to adequately evaluate a QB prospect without actually playing him in a significant number of games, and (b) as a first-round pick, they had to stick him out there at some point. Think about it: Can you name a single first round QB bust who didn't get a chance to start at least a significant portion of his team's games within three years of being drafted? Hell, even the worst QB busts of all time (Heath Schuler, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, etc) started many games (if not entire seasons) for the teams that drafted them. Leaf even beat the Bills once, IIRC. At the same time, there are plenty of non-QB busts who never start a game in their career--presumably because the coaches can tell that they suck just from seeing them in exhibition games and practices. The fact that Loseman actually started quite a few games does not mean he was not a disastrous bust.

Edited October 29, 2010 by mannc

[Enemarty]

Actually Ruud WAS a Number 1.

 

I still lean toward Flowers even if he did get on the field. At least he's got to be the biggest reach ever -- Maybin may turn out to be the biggest bust but he was projected as a first-rounder.

 

But then there's Phil Dokes . . .

 

and in the unusual world of NFL relationships, the year we drafted Dokes, we traded our other number 1 (3rd overall) to Cincy for Sherman White, who the older set will recall was a fairly productive D lineman for us into the early 80s.

 

... and of course, Cincy had drafted Sherman No. 2 overall in the 1972 draft, one spot after old Walt.

 

One might think that with the Devlin pick that we got for Walt, our 1972 first round pick turned out ok for the franchise in the end. Add in the fact that the no. 2 guy after Patulski gave us a decent 7 years from 1977 on and things don't look so bad.

 

Of course, had Patulski been a dominant player and stayed with us after 75, we probably don't trade our number 1 pick in 1977 to Cincy for Sherman White and don't waste our other no. 1 on Phil Dokes. Indeed, it gets even worse, as although Sherman gave us good service, with the 3rd overall pick in the 1977 draft, Cincy drafted Eddie Edwards who retired 12 years later as the all time Cincy sack leader.

 

Then again, White was released before the 84 season, while Edwards was coming off a 13-sack season in 83 and a 9-sack season in 84 and would go on to produce for a few more seasons. If Buff had drafted Edwards in 77 instead of trading for White, who knows whether we have the number one pick in 1985, or whether we would have used it on a DE from Va Tech...

 

So ... if one was really silly or really drunk, they could make an argument that with the first pick in the 1972 draft, the Buffalo Bills selected the all-time NFL sack leader ... but that he didn't actually suit up for the team until 1985.

[It's in My Blood]

Mike Williams deserves that dubious distinction. With his size and potential he could of been THE all time best left tackle. Another glaring reason as to why the NFL needs a rookie salary cap.

[True]

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Williams--biggest of all time, IMO.

 

 

B.

[1B4IDie]

Mike Williams deserves that dubious distinction. With his size and potential he could of been THE all time best left tackle. Another glaring reason as to why the NFL needs a rookie salary cap.

Please Read the thread before posting.

 

Mike Williams has participated in more NFL games than Maybi.

 

 

B.

Is your avatar that crappy speculative new logo for the Bills?

[dayman]

Local papers are asking if he's the worst player in the league less than 24 months after we took him #9 overall...yes.

[KOKBILLS]

Is your avatar that crappy speculative new logo for the Bills?

 

Good God I hope not...That thing makes me throw up in my mouth a little...

[Bill from NYC]

Good God I hope not...That thing makes me throw up in my mouth a little...

 

Some compelling cases are made in this thread. I suppose that Maybin might wind up as the worst, but I stand by my position that the DUMBEST selection the Bills ever made, given the spurned tradewown offers and plethora of great players available was none other than Lil' Donte Whitner.

 

Blast away, but it is jmo.

[Buftex]

Mike Williams might be the most overrated Bills draft pick of all time (not sure), but he certainly wasn't the worst. He did start for a few seasons, and honestly, I never thought he was as horrible as some made him out to be. Not as good as his draft status suggests (see Donte Whitner) but not completely useless.

 

I will give Aaron Maybin a complete second season to write him off entirely. Shame on you who said Losman, bad as he was...

 

No folks, the Bills worst pick of all-time (okay, recent times) has got to be John McCargo. This stiff has been on the roster for what is goin on 5 complete NFL seasons, and has done absolutely 0 in that time. He is so bad, beyond not being dressed for most of his career, the Bills couldn't even complete a trade for a bag of potato chips for him...yet, he is still on the roster...could a player be any more useless? Thanks Marv!

 

In closing, I will contend, John McCargo, a first round pick, is so bad, that nearly 30 posts into a thread about the worst Bills draft pick ever, nobody even remembered him...that is bad...people went all the way back to dig up names like"It's me AC" Cowlings, Richie "freakin'" Lucas, and Erik Flowers...but they forgot this titan that the powers the be'd at 1 Bills Drive saw fit to trade up in the draft for him...and, did I mention, he is still on the roster?

 

I rest my case...have a great night ladies and gentlemen...

Edited October 30, 2010 by Buftex

[boyst]

Mike Williams might be the most overrated Bills draft pick of all time....

No folks, the Bills worst pick of all-time (okay, recent times) has got to be John McCargo

 

Yep.

[DaBills51]

There's some surface appeal to that argument, although I can't remember any games that Loseman "just plain won for us".

 

Houston Texans game in 2006. Losman threw for 340 yards and 3 touchdowns, and we only had 70 yards rushing (14 of which were Losman's rushing yards). Losman ended up leading the Bills on a game winning drive and threw a 15 yard TD pass to Peerless Price with 10 seconds left.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d800f6448/Bills-24-Texans-21

[Billsguy]

No way...

 

Patulski had 21.5 sacks in 4 years then The Bills got a 2nd round Pick for him from St Louis...Maybin has 23 Total Tackles in a year and a half and ZERO sacks...Patulski had 7 Sacks his 1st Season...Plus I'm pretty sure the Bills got Joe Devlin for that 2nd Round Pick...Maybin would not get a Conditional 7th Rounder after 4 Years the way he's going...There was at least good reason to Draft Putulski at #1 Overall at the time...He was a hell of a College Player...Maybin was a bit of a stretch at #11...

 

Maybin has 2 more years to make up lost ground...But at this point he's 100 times the bust Putulski was...

 

I disagree. The number one overall pick has much higher expectations. If you compare the performance to the expectations then Patulski reigns supreme. He had a very impressive college career which makes his pro performance so disappointing. Maybin had virtually no college career so his failure is more understandable.

 

The Bills had 4 number one overall picks. The 3 that played for Buffalo were OJ Simpson (Hall of Fame), Walt Patulski(Bust) and Bruce Smith (Hall of Fame).

 

ESPN rated the top 50 draft busts of all-time and Patulski was the only Bill at #27.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3326109

 

Since that list was published you can add Jemarcus Russell.

 

What makes the argument so pathetic is that the Bills have had so many busts!!!!

[PromoTheRobot]

There is no reason to cut Maybin at this point, unless there some player who shakes loose that Nix thinks would help, but that's highly unlikely at this point. Maybin will get a daily dose of Chan kicking his ass and challenging him to prove he's not a waste of space. Either way he's here till next training camp.

 

PTR

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

i think mccargo is almost as big a bust as maybin. we moved up to get mccargo and now we cant even trade him for a bag of footballs or have him dress for the worst defense in the league.

 

the "top 3" in no order;

 

maybin / mccargo / mike williams

[tonyjustbcuz]

The worst has to be Tom Cousineau 1979 The Ohio State University. Never played a game n a Bills Uniform. The only saving grace that year was that the Bills had two 1st round draft choices and with the second pick in the first round they chose Jerry Butler out of Clemson.

 

 

On a similar note..I was thinking Bryce Fisher...wasn't he in the airforce or something as an officer and I don't remember him playing on the Bills even though we waited around for him for quite a while.

[ConradDobler]

On a similar note..I was thinking Bryce Fisher...wasn't he in the airforce or something as an officer and I don't remember him playing on the Bills even though we waited around for him for quite a while.

 

IIRC Fisher came in eventually, wasn't that good, and waived by Donohoe/Greggo. Went to Rams?

[peteski]

When Maybin was drafted they said he was a three year project. It has only been one and a half years. I think we have to wait and see by the start of the 4th year to see if he is a bust or not.

I personally think he is a bum, but I think that because of where he was drafted and because he held out. You don't draft a three year project that early in the draft. It was a bad move by the Bills. And because of this bad move by the Bills he is going to be labeled a bust. It is unfair, but the NFL is a business and everyone knows that the business of professional sports is unfair.

Edited October 30, 2010 by peteski

[Orton's Arm]

This thread inspired me to examine the Bills' first round busts from 1997 until the present.

 

Below are the Bills' first round busts of recent years, listed in order of the point value of the picks used to acquire them.

 

Bust___Year___Position in draft___Point value

Mike Williams___2002___4th overall___1800 points

Donte Whitner___2006___8th overall___1400 points

Aaron Maybin___2009___11th overall___1250 points

Marshawn Lynch___2007___12th overall___1200 points

Drew Bledsoe___2003___13th overall___1150 points

J.P. Losman___2004___22nd overall___780 points

Willis McGahee__2003___23rd overall___760 points

Antowain Smith___1997___23rd overall___760 points

Erik Flowers___2000___26th overall___700 points

John McCargo___2006___26th overall___700 points

 

If you're measuring the size of the bust strictly by the point value used to acquire the player, Mike Williams is the biggest recent bust, followed by Donte Whitner. But as has been pointed out, both players brought at least some value to the team. At least at the present, Aaron Maybin looks to be the highest up player on this list who will have contributed absolutely nothing to the team. On the other hand, Maybin only cost the team 1250 points, as opposed to the 1800 points spent on Mike Williams or the 1400 points used on Whitner.

Edited October 30, 2010 by Edwards' Arm

[Bills4154]

He appears to be right up there with Phil Dokes!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

God knows there has been an overabundance of Aaron Maybin threads but I don't think this question has been addressed head-on in a thread. Here's my objective criteria in answering the question:

1) How high was the pick? The higher the pick, the bigger the bust.

2) What kind of production did we get out of the guy?

3) Did we pass on any quality players of need in picking the guy?

4) Bonus factors (did we trade up to get him? did we draft him knowing he was severely injured and wouldn't play for two years? of course, nobody's stupid enough to do that!)

 

'Scuse the butting in, wondering about a 5) criteria:

 

"He is what he is" ie, player has had his chance to develop and we're certain what you see is what you get

 

Example, McCargo has been here 5 years. Reasonable to assume that he is what he is, what you see is what you get.

Bunch of players we're liking right now (Roscoe Parrish, Stevie Johnson) were riding the pine last year and have been here 3 years or more.

Last year "zero" this year "hero". Parrish was drafted pretty high (2nd round, #55) for a guy who last year could only play special teams.

 

Maybin has been here 1.5 years, and for the first year, it seemed as though players were completely unaccountable for results

 

I Get It that high draft picks esp on D are expected to come in and contribute almost immediately, but where he was drafted is NOT Maybin's fault.

I see some stuff others see, like he just doesn't seem to have the "football instinct" that's hard to coach or the "motor" on the field.

Maybe he's had his wake-up call and he'll smell the coffee and work on himself?

 

The Maybin Hate just seems a little extreme for where he is in his career.

Doesn't it really belong to the organization, for drafting a reach and a project so high in the 1st?

That was a ridiculous thing to do -- but it's not Maybin's fault.