Jauron drafted Maybin…

[Thoner7]

I have seen posted in many threads, to the point where it seems to have become an accepted fact, that Maybin was a Juaron Draft pick 100%. Now I like everyone else have heard the reports the Jauron wanted Maybina and Modrak claims to have wanted Cushing – but do you believe everything you hear?

 

At the end of the 2008 Season Jauron was almost FIRED. He was a hair away from getting the Axe (so close so that halfway into 2009 he actually was canned). So, are we to believe that 4 ½ months later, the then “circle jerk of trust” went 100% with a lame duck coach who was sitting on the hottest of hot seats against the advice of the entire scouting staff? I don’t believe that one bit.

 

Now I don’t doubt Jauron wanting Maybin at all, but I do doubt the notion that Modrak was against selecting Maybin. Modrak may have had Cushing as BPA, but I bet he had Maybin as 2nd best BPA – a pick the staff has tried desperately to distance themselves from. There is no way that the scouting staff was trumped completely for the opinion of a coach everyone knew wouldn’t last another year or 2, Jauron defiantly had some backing from eh scouting staff in that draft room.

 

If Modrak was good at his job he would have had Maybin rated no higher than the 4th round. In that case, the “circle jerk of trust” decided to draft the highly un-recommended 4th round prospect that the lame duck halfway fired HC wants? Sorry if I don’t buy that scenario either.

 

Ok, so Modrak wanted Cushing…. Haven’t we heard this before? In 2004 he was part of the scouting staff hand picked by Donahoe to be head of scouting. That year that staff TRADED UP to select Losman. 2 years later in 2006, Modrak was reported to have wanted Cutler (this info, just like the Cushing info, came out AFTER the season). So Modrak had given up on Losman after 2 years, one of which was spent on the bench with a broken leg? Please – not buying it, no way he gave up on Losman that fast. Its also pretty fishy considering Cutler starts off his career on such a strong note – hindsight anyone? Again this Cutler news didn’t break until after the season. Fast forward to 2009 and its Cushing…”I wanted Cushing” Modrak says- again reported after the season, Oh what a coincidence that he is the ROY.

 

I bet if you asked him today who he wanted he would say “I wanted Mathews……”

Sorry but I am not buying it.

[Tortured Soul]

Now I don’t doubt Jauron wanting Maybin at all, but I do doubt the notion that Modrak was against selecting Maybin. Modrak may have had Cushing as BPA, but I bet he had Maybin as 2nd best BPA – a pick the staff has tried desperately to distance themselves from. There is no way that the scouting staff was trumped completely for the opinion of a coach everyone knew wouldn’t last another year or 2, Jauron defiantly had some backing from eh scouting staff in that draft room.

 

I think this is more-or-less true, but I don't see that fitting either answer of your poll question.

[Cash]

"must have", not "must of". And I agree with the OP's sentiment. There's no way Jauron had so much power that he could pick a player who wasn't at or very near the top of the draft board. At the very least, the pick strongly implies that Modrak et al. had Maybin ranked higher than Orakpo on their Big Board. That's basically a fire-able offense right there.

[BuffaloWings]

"must have", not "must of". And I agree with the OP's sentiment. There's no way Jauron had so much power that he could pick a player who wasn't at or very near the top of the draft board. At the very least, the pick strongly implies that Modrak et al. had Maybin ranked higher than Orakpo on their Big Board. That's basically a fire-able offense right there.

I actually thought that Jauron had a lot of draft power, even with Marv on board and certainly after he was gone. For some reason, I had the distinct impression that DJ held a lot of weight as far as personnel decisions. Given that Marv was a figurehead and Brandon knows squat about personnel, seems to make sense that Jauron had a big say as to who to draft.

 

Either way, Modrak has to wonder how thin the ice is.

[Ghost of Rob Johnson]

My guess is that Cushing was Modrak's best player available. The previous management group drafted for need, which going into the draft most agreed was a pass rushing DE for their tampa 2 defense. Orakpo was likely off of their draft board due to the character concerns that caused him to drop in the draft (probably off many teams boards). Therefore leaving Maybin as the next highest ranked pass rushing DE in the draft.

Edited October 29, 2010 by Ghost of Rob Johnson

[Zulu Cthulhu]

95% of draft projections had maybin going somewhere in the 1st round (most predicted 2nd half of the round). Your contention that the team picked him 3 rounds too early is asinine - no one said he was a 4th round talent at the time.

 

i don't care what Modrak said, and it's irrelevant anyways. He should be fired as well, but Jauron made the maybin pick as head coach and de facto GM.

[Kelly the Dog]

Aside from another stupid, negative post, drafting is not a yes or no science even though it is hit or miss. I very much doubt hardly any scout had Maybin as a fourth rounder in TALENT. I guarantee there were scouts that, if they were in charge of the draft, wouldn't have SELECTED Maybin until the fourth round because he was a huge risk. But that is an entirely different argument. Everyone obviously knew Maybin only played one year, pretty much everyone knew he was a boom or bust pick, and that he was barely 21 years old. He is still the second youngest player on the Bills behind Troup. And so far, the bust predictions are more correct.

 

It's easy to imagine a scout like Modrak saying, "The kid has great potential, great upside, great physical talent. If it were up to me, I wouldn't take him, I'd take the more sure thing in Cushing and have him rated higher." And regardless of his non-existent production, I bet Ozzie Newsome, even today, would say Maybin still has great potential, great upside, great physical talent." He may think Maybin is never going to reach it. But it still exists. He's 22.

[Fan in San Diego]

I would fire Modrak in a heartbeat. We have nothing but bad drafts with him in the mix. Time to go Modrak, Nix fire this bum.

[VirginiaMike]

It's a shame that neither wanted Orakpo. He willl turn out to be the best of them all.

[shoretalk]

I have seen posted in many threads, to the point where it seems to have become an accepted fact, that Maybin was a Juaron Draft pick 100%. Now I like everyone else have heard the reports the Jauron wanted Maybina and Modrak claims to have wanted Cushing – but do you believe everything you hear?

 

At the end of the 2008 Season Jauron was almost FIRED. He was a hair away from getting the Axe (so close so that halfway into 2009 he actually was canned). So, are we to believe that 4 ½ months later, the then “circle jerk of trust” went 100% with a lame duck coach who was sitting on the hottest of hot seats against the advice of the entire scouting staff? I don’t believe that one bit.

 

Now I don’t doubt Jauron wanting Maybin at all, but I do doubt the notion that Modrak was against selecting Maybin. Modrak may have had Cushing as BPA, but I bet he had Maybin as 2nd best BPA – a pick the staff has tried desperately to distance themselves from. There is no way that the scouting staff was trumped completely for the opinion of a coach everyone knew wouldn’t last another year or 2, Jauron defiantly had some backing from eh scouting staff in that draft room.

 

If Modrak was good at his job he would have had Maybin rated no higher than the 4th round. In that case, the “circle jerk of trust” decided to draft the highly un-recommended 4th round prospect that the lame duck halfway fired HC wants? Sorry if I don’t buy that scenario either.

 

Ok, so Modrak wanted Cushing…. Haven’t we heard this before? In 2004 he was part of the scouting staff hand picked by Donahoe to be head of scouting. That year that staff TRADED UP to select Losman. 2 years later in 2006, Modrak was reported to have wanted Cutler (this info, just like the Cushing info, came out AFTER the season). So Modrak had given up on Losman after 2 years, one of which was spent on the bench with a broken leg? Please – not buying it, no way he gave up on Losman that fast. Its also pretty fishy considering Cutler starts off his career on such a strong note – hindsight anyone? Again this Cutler news didn’t break until after the season. Fast forward to 2009 and its Cushing…”I wanted Cushing” Modrak says- again reported after the season, Oh what a coincidence that he is the ROY.

 

I bet if you asked him today who he wanted he would say “I wanted Mathews……”

Sorry but I am not buying it.

All a scouting staff can do is make recommendations ... Modrak was not the general manager nor the coach at any time since he was hired by the Bills.

 

Every single rumored report that came out of OBD even before the 2009 season was over implied that Modrak had Cushing rated as his pick for the team. However the defense that Coach Dick had us playing was not necessarily a good fit for Cushing and Coach Dick clearly wanted Mr. MayBE. You are soooo wrong to say that MayBEEEE would have otherwise been a 4th round pick because if you go back and pull up the draft-nik's predictions of the first round MayBEEEE was a first round pick in almost all forecasters opinions. No one had him falling to the 4th round, the reason MayBEEE came out was that he knew he was going to be picked by someone in the first round.

 

We will never know about Cutler v. Losman either.

 

Frankly, I have faith in Nix to sort out what's right and wrong with our scouting system but just like with the team this is going to take time. He has the GM power and if Modrak is the problem (I think most of us agree that he has to have had a major influence for all these drafts even if he didn't want MayBEEE or Losman.) then I think Nix will push him through the thin ice. However if our picks went counter to Modrak's recommendations and if his recommendations have panned out for other teams then we may seem around for a longer period of time.

 

None of us knows what goes on behind the curtain up on OBD so for anyone to claim they know what Modrak said or what influence he had is purely a guessing game..

 

All I know is that I am liking this year's picks so far and am not complaining about Wood or Levitre.

[KOKBILLS]

OK I think I can help out here...I'm pretty sure this is the way it goes cause this is the way Marv had it, and the way he set it up when he came here...

 

First and foremost no Player is considered unless they have a Grade that matches up favorably with where they are Picking...In this case, and in most cases, there are more than one Player with similar Grades...I think they like to get it down to 2-3 Players when they get on the clock...Then the debate begins...So just for the sake of argument lets say the Bills have Maybin, Orakpo, and Cushing with similar Grades, and now they are looking at one of those 3 (the Bills all but told the world they wanted to take a Pass Rushing DE/OLB at #11 Overall)...So sometimes there is no argument and the card goes right up (The GM, Head Coach and Scouting Head all agree)...But in this case the Bills really had no GM and if everyone remembers at that time it meant even more power to DJ...Add that to the fact that Marv had set it up so that the HC ALWAYS breaks a tie and it does not really matter if Modrak wanted Cush...If Jauron wanted Maybin, then Maybin would be the Pick by design...

 

What should not be lost in this blame game is that Modrak and his Scouts had a Grade that high on Maybin to start with...Cause I'm pretty sure they did or he would have never been considered...Keep in mind that Mike Mayock felt like Maybin was a borderline 1st Rounder but probably more like a 2nd Rounder...Mayock had him tied for 5th at OLB with Larry English (behind Curry, Orakpo, Cushing, and Matthews)...So it cannot be ignored that The Bills brilliant Scouting Staff had Maybin MUCH higher Rated than some...My feeling is if the Scouts do their job 1st and foremost then the door is not open for Dead Dick to walk though and make the ultimate terrible decision...So, IMHO, it's both Modrak AND Jauron that are to blame...

[PromoTheRobot]

95% of draft projections had maybin going somewhere in the 1st round (most predicted 2nd half of the round). Your contention that the team picked him 3 rounds too early is asinine - no one said he was a 4th round talent at the time.

 

i don't care what Modrak said, and it's irrelevant anyways. He should be fired as well, but Jauron made the maybin pick as head coach and de facto GM.

100% correct. Thoner conveniently forgets the tongue bath Maybin got from the likes of Kiper and McShay. Do I have to dig up the mock draft where McShay had Maybin going at #6 overall?

 

"Maybin is projected to be a solid mid-first round draft pick."

 

Draft Insiders: Aaron Maybin - Fastest Rising Pro Prospect

 

Packers Mock: Round 1: Aaron Maybin

 

Walters Football mock: Maybin to Denver at 18 (formerly at 13 to Redskins)

 

Do I need to continue?

 

PTR

Edited October 29, 2010 by PromoTheRobot

[prissythecat]

 

 

If Modrak was good at his job he would have had Maybin rated no higher than the 4th round. In that case, the “circle jerk of trust” decided to draft the highly un-recommended 4th round prospect that the lame duck halfway fired HC wants? Sorry if I don’t buy that scenario either.

 

 

 

Which expert had Maybin rated as 4th round material? The Thoner7 report?

 

As mentioned by othe folks already, Maybin was projected as a 1st rounder by most of the gurus.

[PromoTheRobot]

At the end of the 2008 Season Jauron was almost FIRED. He was a hair away from getting the Axe (so close so that halfway into 2009 he actually was canned). So, are we to believe that 4 ½ months later, the then “circle jerk of trust” went 100% with a lame duck coach who was sitting on the hottest of hot seats against the advice of the entire scouting staff? I don’t believe that one bit.

Responding to you is an exercise in futility because of your 3rd grade comprehension level but I'll give it a crack. Jauron wasn't almost fired at the end of that season. He was given a 3 YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION!!! We wanted him fired. Jerry Sullivan wanted him fired. But Ralphie just gave him 9 million dollars!!! At that point in time he was going nowhere.

 

So no it's not unbelievable that Dick(less) had a lot of sway over draft picks. For one he had an iron-clad contract that said he was the guy, and two there was no real GM in place to lead the draft room. Levy left by then so the Bills were lead by a vague committee that must have included Jauron, Brandon, Nix, Wilson and Modrak.

 

So please stop making up history to back up your lame assertions. It was only two years ago. Most of us can remember that far back.

 

PTR

Edited October 29, 2010 by PromoTheRobot

[Kelly the Dog]

Responding to you is an exercise in futility because of your 3rd grade comprehension level but I'll give it a crack. Jauron wasn't almost fired at the end of that season. He was given a 3 YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION!!! We wanted him fired. Jerry Sullivan wanted him fired. But Ralphie just gave him 9 million dollars!!! At that point in time he was going nowhere.

 

So no it's not unbelievable that Dick(less) had a lot of sway over draft picks. For one he had an iron-clad contract that said he was the guy, and two there was no real GM in place to lead the draft room. Levy left by then so the Bills were lead by a vague committee that must have included Jauron, Brandon, Nix, Wilson and Modrak.

 

So please stop making up history to back up your lame assertions. It was only two years ago. Most of us can remember that far back.

 

PTR

I think the extension was given to him after the quick start. There was some argument as to whether he had actually signed the extension yet, and there was some talk that perhaps Ralph could get away with firing him if he hadn't indeed signed the extension, because it obviously was premature. I don't think any of us know how close Jauron was or wasn't to being fired after that season. But it SURELY wasn't rosy between him and Ralph. It was obvious there was a total collapse, and the start was an aberration. He probably had already signed the extension, or Ralph simply could not go back on his word just because Jauron hadn't signed it, and was stuck with the handshake agreement.

 

In reality, he was closer to being fired than getting an extension at that point in time. If they hadn't made the agreement back in week four or five, he easily, or even likely would have been fired.

 

That said, you're right that Jauron had huge say and sway over draft picks. He was reportedly the one making the selections. If he wanted Maybin, Maybin was the guy. If Modrak wanted Cushing, maybin was the guy if Jauron wanted him.

Edited October 29, 2010 by Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog

[rpcolosi]

I have seen posted in many threads, to the point where it seems to have become an accepted fact, that Maybin was a Juaron Draft pick 100%. Now I like everyone else have heard the reports the Jauron wanted Maybina and Modrak claims to have wanted Cushing – but do you believe everything you hear?

 

At the end of the 2008 Season Jauron was almost FIRED. He was a hair away from getting the Axe (so close so that halfway into 2009 he actually was canned). So, are we to believe that 4 ½ months later, the then “circle jerk of trust” went 100% with a lame duck coach who was sitting on the hottest of hot seats against the advice of the entire scouting staff? I don’t believe that one bit.

 

Now I don’t doubt Jauron wanting Maybin at all, but I do doubt the notion that Modrak was against selecting Maybin. Modrak may have had Cushing as BPA, but I bet he had Maybin as 2nd best BPA – a pick the staff has tried desperately to distance themselves from. There is no way that the scouting staff was trumped completely for the opinion of a coach everyone knew wouldn’t last another year or 2, Jauron defiantly had some backing from eh scouting staff in that draft room.

 

If Modrak was good at his job he would have had Maybin rated no higher than the 4th round. In that case, the “circle jerk of trust” decided to draft the highly un-recommended 4th round prospect that the lame duck halfway fired HC wants? Sorry if I don’t buy that scenario either.

 

Ok, so Modrak wanted Cushing…. Haven’t we heard this before? In 2004 he was part of the scouting staff hand picked by Donahoe to be head of scouting. That year that staff TRADED UP to select Losman. 2 years later in 2006, Modrak was reported to have wanted Cutler (this info, just like the Cushing info, came out AFTER the season). So Modrak had given up on Losman after 2 years, one of which was spent on the bench with a broken leg? Please – not buying it, no way he gave up on Losman that fast. Its also pretty fishy considering Cutler starts off his career on such a strong note – hindsight anyone? Again this Cutler news didn’t break until after the season. Fast forward to 2009 and its Cushing…”I wanted Cushing” Modrak says- again reported after the season, Oh what a coincidence that he is the ROY.

 

I bet if you asked him today who he wanted he would say “I wanted Mathews……”

Sorry but I am not buying it.

 

 

 

the losman year they are on record as saying they wanted rothelisberger, and when they didnt get him they knew they needed a qb prospect so they gambled on losman. that sounds consistent with donahoe and his splashy draft picks, not modrak. and i dont doubt most teams having losman ranked as the 4 qb. its just unfortunate he had horrible coaching and didnt work out. its possible iwth chan or martz or someone hed be in the league still.

[PromoTheRobot]

I think the extension was given to him after the quick start. There was some argument as to whether he had actually signed the extension yet, and there was some talk that perhaps Ralph could get away with firing him if he hadn't indeed signed the extension, because it obviously was premature. I don't think any of us know how close Jauron was or wasn't to being fired after that season. But it SURELY wasn't rosy between him and Ralph. It was obvious there was a total collapse, and the start was an aberration. He probably had already signed the extension, or Ralph simply could not go back on his word just because Jauron hadn't signed it, and was stuck with the handshake agreement.

 

In reality, he was closer to being fired than getting an extension at that point in time. If they hadn't made the agreement back in week four or five, he easily, or even likely would have been fired.

 

That said, you're right that Jauron had huge say and sway over draft picks. He was reportedly the one making the selections. If he wanted Maybin, Maybin was the guy. If Modrak wanted Cushing, maybin was the guy if Jauron wanted him.

No question Jauron was on the hot seat...to a point. But Ralph hates wasting money and that contract was signed mid-season, though the Bills tried to hide that fact for a while when it was obvious the move blew up in their faces. At that point in time, Dick(less) was relatively safe and he still had more muscle than anyone else in the draft room.

 

PTR

[nodnarb]

I've read it in a few reliable places, and have heard it confirmed by someone who received an email from somebody inside the organization that yes, Jauron is the guy who used his last "chip" to get the guy that he believed would put them over the edge on defense. I don't know how high Modrak/scouts were on him, but Jauron was given the benefit of the doubt on that pick. Thanks, *Dick*. Interestingly, one of DJ's final moves in Chicago was to select a DE from Penn State in the 1st round who also busted. (Michael Haynes)

 

Just say NO to Penn State defensive linemen.

[RuntheDamnBall]

I finally get it dudes. His name kind of looks like the word 'maybe,' which is hilarious because 'maybe' he'll produce! Its like 'Loseman," but even funnier! Now that we've figured out the secret to endless humor, let's use it a little more sparingly to preserve the comic timing, no?

[Thoner7]

Responding to you is an exercise in futility because of your 3rd grade comprehension level but I'll give it a crack. Jauron wasn't almost fired at the end of that season. He was given a 3 YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION!!! We wanted him fired. Jerry Sullivan wanted him fired. But Ralphie just gave him 9 million dollars!!! At that point in time he was going nowhere.

 

So no it's not unbelievable that Dick(less) had a lot of sway over draft picks. For one he had an iron-clad contract that said he was the guy, and two there was no real GM in place to lead the draft room. Levy left by then so the Bills were lead by a vague committee that must have included Jauron, Brandon, Nix, Wilson and Modrak.

 

So please stop making up history to back up your lame assertions. It was only two years ago. Most of us can remember that far back.

 

PTR

 

Get your facts straight. The extension as durign the 4-1 start. There was much deliberation about him being fired at the END of the season

 

I think this is more-or-less true, but I don't see that fitting either answer of your poll question.

 

Then its yes, as he must of supported the drafting of Maybin as he was his second BPA

 

95% of draft projections had maybin going somewhere in the 1st round (most predicted 2nd half of the round). Your contention that the team picked him 3 rounds too early is asinine - no one said he was a 4th round talent at the time.

 

i don't care what Modrak said, and it's irrelevant anyways. He should be fired as well, but Jauron made the maybin pick as head coach and de facto GM.

 

Mayock had Maybin as the 4th best 3-4 OLB. He didn’t even grade him as a DE as he said he 100% could never play that position in the NFL.

 

Now he didn’t grade him in one round or another – but look at that draft. Guess where the 4th best 3-4 OLB gets drafted- THE FORTH ROUND.

 

Is it that asinine? What IS asinine is taking McShay’s word over evidence to the contrary.

 

 

All a scouting staff can do is make recommendations ... Modrak was not the general manager nor the coach at any time since he was hired by the Bills.

 

Every single rumored report that came out of OBD even before the 2009 season was over implied that Modrak had Cushing rated as his pick for the team. However the defense that Coach Dick had us playing was not necessarily a good fit for Cushing and Coach Dick clearly wanted Mr. MayBE. You are soooo wrong to say that MayBEEEE would have otherwise been a 4th round pick because if you go back and pull up the draft-nik's predictions of the first round MayBEEEE was a first round pick in almost all forecasters opinions. No one had him falling to the 4th round, the reason MayBEEE came out was that he knew he was going to be picked by someone in the first round.

 

We will never know about Cutler v. Losman either.

 

Frankly, I have faith in Nix to sort out what's right and wrong with our scouting system but just like with the team this is going to take time. He has the GM power and if Modrak is the problem (I think most of us agree that he has to have had a major influence for all these drafts even if he didn't want MayBEEE or Losman.) then I think Nix will push him through the thin ice. However if our picks went counter to Modrak's recommendations and if his recommendations have panned out for other teams then we may seem around for a longer period of time.

 

None of us knows what goes on behind the curtain up on OBD so for anyone to claim they know what Modrak said or what influence he had is purely a guessing game..

 

All I know is that I am liking this year's picks so far and am not complaining about Wood or Levitre.

 

I realize it’s a guessing game. But If I walked over and threw my computer out the window, do you really have to be there to know it hits the ground? Doesn’t reasonable logic tell you that it does?

 

100% correct. Thoner conveniently forgets the tongue bath Maybin got from the likes of Kiper and McShay. Do I have to dig up the mock draft where McShay had Maybin going at #6 overall?

 

"Maybin is projected to be a solid mid-first round draft pick."

 

Draft Insiders: Aaron Maybin - Fastest Rising Pro Prospect

 

Packers Mock: Round 1: Aaron Maybin

 

Walters Football mock: Maybin to Denver at 18 (formerly at 13 to Redskins)

 

Do I need to continue?

 

PTR

 

Ok PTR. Show me one piece of evidence from a credible source. A $10 godaddy website doesn’t make you a draft expert. Kiper and McShay are your other evidence? Thanks for making my argument for me. Mayock is the only credible media guy out there – as evidenced by his track record vrs the other guys. He had Maybin way down on his board. (see above) If you could drum up one single credible source, like a GM, Former GM (not Matt Millen), someone who knows something, maybe you would have an argument. But that’s just another giant swing and a miss….

 

Seriously, does anyone remember the media “experts” loving a guy name George Selvie? He was a “top 10 lock” his Sophomore year. 2 years later he goes in the 7th round. Did he get that much worse or was he never that good? That’s what happened here with Maybin. One good statistical year, idiots like McShay say he is a top 10 pick, other idiots on EPSN regurgitate it, other idiots with $10 websites copy McShay/Kiper, Juaron and the rest of the FO apparently fell for it.