NPR fires Juan Williams

[Steely Dan]

Juan Williams gets the boot.

 

NPR hates the fact that he works for FOX, in the past they criticized him and Mara Liasson for being part of their daily programming. To me this is no surprise, if you listen to NPR the way I do in the mornings then you see that 9 out of 10 stories have a left-leaning sympathetic tilt to it. Very subtle, but it's there.

 

Why hasn't anyone addressed the fact that it's a really dumb thing to say. IIRC, The shoe bomber and the 911 hijackers were not dressed in typical middle eastern clothing.

[Magox]

Why hasn't anyone addressed the fact that it's a really dumb thing to say. IIRC, The shoe bomber and the 911 hijackers were not dressed in typical middle eastern clothing.

Maybe because he's not afraid to tell the truth. Peace brought up a very example

If I'm walking down an alley and three 18 year olds in baggy pants step out in front of me, I'm on alert more than if 3 guys in suits step out.

 

Political correctness has it's drawbacks, not everything is black or white the way the majority of people believe. Just about everyone believes that something is either 100% right or wrong. The reality is that there are many shades of gray inside of each one of these answers and when Juan WIlliams stated his opinion, he was being honest, he was stating something that just about everyone feels but decides to keep it quiet and to themselves. Well, he said it, and there is justifiable outcry from the one's who feel this could possibly be a bigoted claim and there is a justifiable defense on his behalf, which is that "hey, I get nervous when I see a burqa on the plane".

 

Nothing wrong with that, it's his honest opinion.

 

No surprise that NPR would cut ties with him, as I said they are pissed that he works with FOX and they have a history of being sympathetic with muslims and taking a somewhat hard-line against the Israelis.

[DC Tom]

Maybe because he's not afraid to tell the truth. Peace brought up a very example

 

He wasn't even "telling the truth", he was expressing a personal opinion.

[Magox]

He wasn't even "telling the truth", he was expressing a personal opinion.

uhhh, I did say it was a personal opinion, didn't I?

 

Juan WIlliams stated his opinion, he was being honest, he was stating something that just about everyone feels but decides to keep it quiet and to themselves. Well, he said it, and there is justifiable outcry from the one's who feel this could possibly be a bigoted claim and there is a justifiable defense on his behalf, which is that "hey, I get nervous when I see a burqa on the plane".

 

Nothing wrong with that, it's his honest opinion

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In other words, DC TOM, if you understood in what context that I implied "telling the truth", he was being honest to himself and to all the viewers that were watching what he was saying.

[....lybob]

Why hasn't anyone addressed the fact that it's a really dumb thing to say. IIRC, The shoe bomber and the 911 hijackers were not dressed in typical middle eastern clothing.

Exactly what I was thinking if they're here to blow something up they are probably wearing a three piece suit which would make me nervous because I might mistake them for something dangerous like a banker.

 

I don't think Juan Williams is a bigot but I do think he is irrational, the statistical probability of him dying in a terrorist attack is less than getting hit by lightning or having a co-worker poisoning his coffee.

[IDBillzFan]

He wasn't even "telling the truth", he was expressing a personal opinion.

Actually, he was telling the truth because he was explaining how he felt. It was his truth. He sees a guy in Muslim garb, he gets a little antsy. Much different than saying "When people see a guy in Muslim garb, they get a little antsy."

 

Also lost in all of this is the one thing I found most interesting; after years of hearing how whitey clutches her purse tighter when she sees a black man, we have a black man clutching his asscheeks tighter when he sees a Muslim on a plane.

 

We really ARE in a post-racial world.

 

On the other hand, nothing is more fun than watching the left eat their own. If you want to have fun, read the comments section in the Huffington Post article here. It ultimately comes down to "Oh, he really wasn't one of us anyway."

Edited October 21, 2010 by LABillzFan

[erynthered]

Juan responds. its about the 3 minute mark. Also he on O'reilly at 8 tonight, should be good.

 

 

 

 

Bernie Goldberg, "So Juan Williams is fired for saying something the liberals at NPR find controversial?" Goldberg said. "One more piece of evidence that liberals have forgotten how to be liberal."

 

Goldberg continued: "These are the kind of people who brag about how open-minded they are -- as long as you agree with them. And here's the dirty little secret: lots and lots of liberals feel the same way Juan does when they get on an airplane. And a lot of those liberals work at NPR. Juan's 'crime' was saying it out loud." Weekly Standard Editor and Fox contributor Bill Kristol also responded to NPR which he dubbed "National Politically-correct Radio." Kristol concluded a post about the firing by saying: "NPR -- unfair, unbalanced ... and afraid."

 

 

 

 

[DC Tom]

uhhh, I did say it was a personal opinion, didn't I?

 

 

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In other words, DC TOM, if you understood in what context that I implied "telling the truth", he was being honest to himself and to all the viewers that were watching what he was saying.

 

Exactly. You said both, in a convoluted ex post facto justification that made no sense. He's telling the truth by expressing a personal opinion that everyone shares but doesn't express? That's bull ****. Just say he was expressing a not-unreasonable personal opinion.

[drnykterstein]

DC Tom is the ultimate nit-picker. He nit-picks far too much. Often as a result he misses the point entirely as he sits there smugly thinking he right because he nit-picked an unimportant detail.

Edited October 21, 2010 by conner

[Magox]

Exactly. You said both, in a convoluted ex post facto justification that made no sense. He's telling the truth by expressing a personal opinion that everyone shares but doesn't express? That's bull ****. Just say he was expressing a not-unreasonable personal opinion.

[OCinBuffalo]

Juan responds. its about the 3 minute mark. Also he on O'reilly at 8 tonight, should be good.

 

 

 

 

Bernie Goldberg, "So Juan Williams is fired for saying something the liberals at NPR find controversial?" Goldberg said. "One more piece of evidence that liberals have forgotten how to be liberal."

 

Goldberg continued: "These are the kind of people who brag about how open-minded they are -- as long as you agree with them. And here's the dirty little secret: lots and lots of liberals feel the same way Juan does when they get on an airplane. And a lot of those liberals work at NPR. Juan's 'crime' was saying it out loud." Weekly Standard Editor and Fox contributor Bill Kristol also responded to NPR which he dubbed "National Politically-correct Radio." Kristol concluded a post about the firing by saying: "NPR -- unfair, unbalanced ... and afraid."

On target. But, Bernie is going to be accused of being a bad journalist again...

 

Go ahead far-left turds: tell us how you are FOR free speech. Is this more offensive than some gay guy showing off his rear end? How come you will defend the latter, but not the former?

 

And, for the PC turds I have argued with regarding the obvious problems with Islam: Bravo! Aren't you glad you got your way today? This is what you are really FOR, so rejoice! One more person who is able to cut through your PC crap gets the axe. You should all be proud of yourselves today. While you are at it, you should take this opportunity to remind us that Islam doesn't have real problems, and that terrorists are Arabs, not Muslim.

[drnykterstein]

Go ahead far-left turds: tell us how you are FOR free speech. Is this more offensive than some gay guy showing off his rear end? How come you will defend the latter, but not the former?

Typical republican logical fallacy here. Freedom of speech protects you from censorship and limitation by the US government. NPR is not the government.

[OCinBuffalo]

Maybe because he's not afraid to tell the truth. Peace brought up a very example

 

Political correctness has it's drawbacks, not everything is black or white the way the majority of people believe. Just about everyone believes that something is either 100% right or wrong. The reality is that there are many shades of gray inside of each one of these answers and when Juan WIlliams stated his opinion, he was being honest, he was stating something that just about everyone feels but decides to keep it quiet and to themselves. Well, he said it, and there is justifiable outcry from the one's who feel this could possibly be a bigoted claim and there is a justifiable defense on his behalf, which is that "hey, I get nervous when I see a burqa on the plane".

 

Nothing wrong with that, it's his honest opinion.

 

No surprise that NPR would cut ties with him, as I said they are pissed that he works with FOX and they have a history of being sympathetic with muslims and taking a somewhat hard-line against the Israelis.

What are you talking about? Aren't you happy? After all, according to you Juan Williams is an Islamaphobe, and therefore his firing is a good thing. At least that's what you said last time. Feel free to change your mind though.

 

Oh, and go ahead and fill up another post with BLAH! That will remind us all exactly how much weight we should give your opinions on this issue.

Edited October 21, 2010 by OCinBuffalo

[BB27]

if you listen to NPR the way I do in the mornings then you see that 9 out of 10 stories have a left-leaning sympathetic tilt to it. Very subtle, but it's there.

 

 

 

 

[OCinBuffalo]

Typical republican logical fallacy here. Freedom of speech protects you from censorship and limitation by the US government. NPR is not the government.

Typical conner not knowing the facts here. You don't know that NPR is government funded? Really? Logic is useless if it's based on bad premises

 

And, we will see how the government acquits itself if Williams does indeed bring a wrongful termination suit.

 

NPR's actions are indefensible. Now we get to watch conner and whatever PC tool that thinks Islam doesn't have serious problems try to defend the indefensible.

[BB27]

Typical conner not knowing the facts here. You don't know that NPR is government funded? Really? Logic is useless if it's based on bad premises

 

And, we will see how the government acquits itself if Williams does indeed bring a wrongful termination suit.

 

NPR's actions are indefensible. Now we get to watch conner and whatever PC tool that thinks Islam doesn't have serious problems try to defend the indefensible.

 

 

conner = trust fund or SSDI

[drnykterstein]

Typical conner not knowing the facts here. You don't know that NPR is government funded? Really? Logic is useless if it's based on bad premises

 

And, we will see how the government acquits itself if Williams does indeed bring a wrongful termination suit.

 

NPR's actions are indefensible. Now we get to watch conner and whatever PC tool that thinks Islam doesn't have serious problems try to defend the indefensible.

I realize NPR get's funding from the government. Regardless, there is no law or anything that says NPR cannot censor what they want to censor on their airwaves. I cannot overstate how ignorant you are.

[OCinBuffalo]

Exactly what I was thinking if they're here to blow something up they are probably wearing a three piece suit which would make me nervous because I might mistake them for something dangerous like a banker.

 

I don't think Juan Williams is a bigot but I do think he is irrational, the statistical probability of him dying in a terrorist attack is less than getting hit by lightning or having a co-worker poisoning his coffee.

So, according to you, we should call people who don't want to stand up in open field during a lighting storm "irrational", because the chance they will get hit is so small? You are asking people to not recognize potential danger and instead put their faith in...what exactly? God? You?

 

Ok, got any kids? If we shouldn't recognize potential danger, then why don't you sign up to allow a child molester to be your neighbor? Since, not every child molester re-offends, and therefore we can't blame them ALL.

 

The fact is that potential danger is f'ing potential danger, and we all need to recognize it for what it is, not play pretend in fairy land. If Islamic people are offended, then the best thing for them to do is start working against the terrorists, and the Islamic Caliphate concept, immediately.

 

This is the only way the danger will be removed, permanently, and is the only way for people to stop looking at "all Muslims" as a potential threat. The TERRORISTS, not us, choose to hide themselves amongst "all Muslims", but only if "all Muslims" allow it. This continues to be about the choices moderate Muslims make, period.

[Chef Jim]

I realize NPR get's funding from the government. Regardless, there is no law or anything that says NPR cannot censor what they want to censor on their airwaves. I cannot overstate how ignorant you are.

 

So their process for censure is to fire someone who said something someplace else that they don't agree with?

[OCinBuffalo]

I realize NPR get's funding from the government. Regardless, there is no law or anything that says NPR cannot censor what they want to censor on their airwaves. I cannot overstate how ignorant you are.

Again, you don't know:

 

1. The airwaves belong to the FCC, not NPR

2. The FCC can in fact censor whoever they want, however they want.

3. The fact that NPR gets its funding from the government, had hired Juan Williams specifically for his opinions, and has now SPECIFICALLY fired him for them, has put the government in the censorship business, like it or not, and in a way that is outside of the FCC's scope.

4. If NPR had fired Williams for showing up late to a meeting, none of this would be a problem. Liberals aren't known to be that smart however, as evidenced by you on a daily basis here.

 

Keep talking conner, we will see who is ignorant and who is merely toying with you.

Edited October 21, 2010 by OCinBuffalo