R. Rich Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I'd love to see a bidding war take place for the Bills' pick. This team is so devoid of talent, it needs way more than a QB... needs high picks for at least one if not two drafts or more. New England does it the right way... they keep replenishing their roster year after year. The Patriots end up with multiple picks in the first 3-4 rounds. Don't they have two picks in each of the first four rounds in the 2011 draft? That team is a machine on and off the field. I hear ya. The Pats know when to get rid of players and still get compensation for 'em. Shrewd. I could roll w/ either scenario: staying put (if the pick is high enough) and taking a QB like Luck or Mallet or trading down and acquiring additional picks. Like you said, the Bills are way more than a player away from contention. As long as they hit the mark more than they miss it w/ additional picks, they could really go a long way toward building for their future.
DarthICE Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 It seems pretty obvious to me that Buffalo will not pay a huge top three salary in excess of $50M. We know a rookie cap will be in place the next year (2012). We know Mr. Wilson is frugal. We know Buddy wants to build through the draft. I would be shocked if we didn't trade what sadly now seems like the inevitable #1 overall pick (I hope I am wrong. I really want us to win some games). We will still be rebuilding in 2012 and will then keep our top 5 pick which should be a quarterback. I know we haven't traded our top pick very often but it seems pretty logical to me knowing this organization that that is the way they should go. We may get a low to mid round first pick and some more really good picks after that. I don't know what a #1 overall pick is worth but it has to be pretty darn good. If our pick next year is outside of the top 5 we may keep it but 1-3 it is as good as SOLD! They trade that pick, I !@#$ing quit right then, right there.
R. Rich Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 They trade that pick, I !@#$ing quit right then, right there. Yeah, yeah. Sure ya do.
bobblehead Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 They don't trade that pick, I !@#$ing quit right then, right there. fixed your post
The Senator Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 (edited) Normally I would find myself in agreement with the OP, but not this time. Apparently, Ralph sent Buddy to scout QBs and this is quite telling imo. Fitz is not as bad as our OL and LBs, right? We all know how bad the team is, but Spiller failed to put "fannies in the seats" Richie. We were both there on Sunday, and there were lots of empty seats despite perfect WNY weather. Imo, if the Bills draft Mallet, he would be good for 10,000 tickets per game before he takes the field. If he throws a couple of circus type TD passes, the stadium will be full, as will the beer and food concession lines, parking lots, etc. This is not to mention merchandise sales. Ralph spoke out for "excitement," right? Mallett is able to lead Evans or Spiller on 70 yard fly patterns. Methinks he will be the pick. Just my "meaningless opinion" LOL! Bill, I agree with both you and R2 - we should draft Ryan Mallett, then package our very high round-2 pick with a 5th - or 6th & 7th - to trade back into round one and grab Gabe Carimi (I'm willing to eschew another Danny Batten or Kyle Calloway in this year's draft, if it gets us Gabe). The key is how far Greg Romeus (DE, Pitt) drops because of his back injury, and can we get him in the 3rd or 4th - or Dontay Moch in the 3rd & Romeus AND Owen Marecic with our two 4th-round picks? That would be enough for me on draft day - Mallett, Carimi, Moch, Romeus, and Marecic - I wouldn't even care about anything after that. We'll have a nice chance to watch Mallett on CBS this afternoon against Auburn, and Carimi against the Buckeyes (& Cameron Heyward) tonite. Until then, enjoy some 'sweet dreams' of this QB in a Bills uniform... Edited October 16, 2010 by The Senator
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I hear ya. The Pats know when to get rid of players and still get compensation for 'em. Shrewd. I could roll w/ either scenario: staying put (if the pick is high enough) and taking a QB like Luck or Mallet or trading down and acquiring additional picks. Like you said, the Bills are way more than a player away from contention. As long as they hit the mark more than they miss it w/ additional picks, they could really go a long way toward building for their future. If the Bills go the Luck-Mallet route, they have to bring in a more than adequate, probably major upgrade at LT. If it's just the O-Line that gets major upgrades, so be it. But throwing Luck or Mallet to the wolves and the track record of very early QBs drafted and the ones that don't pan out... in the end the Bills cannot screw this up. I'd say 2011 will rank as their most important draft in team history.
gregkash Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Here's what I don't understand. People say Ralph Wilson is frugal. I've never seen any evidence of this though. PLease, why is he frugal? Is it the monster contracts he gave dockery, schobel, evans, kelsay?? How he's paid right in the slot for every frist round pick? Maybe it's because he let Nate Clements walk.. hes surely worth all that money fellow 0-5 san francisco gave him.. The Sabres are frugal. The Bills are not frugal.
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 It seems pretty obvious to me that Buffalo will not pay a huge top three salary in excess of $50M. We know a rookie cap will be in place the next year (2012). We know Mr. Wilson is frugal. We know Buddy wants to build through the draft. I would be shocked if we didn't trade what sadly now seems like the inevitable #1 overall pick (I hope I am wrong. I really want us to win some games). We will still be rebuilding in 2012 and will then keep our top 5 pick which should be a quarterback. I know we haven't traded our top pick very often but it seems pretty logical to me knowing this organization that that is the way they should go. We may get a low to mid round first pick and some more really good picks after that. I don't know what a #1 overall pick is worth but it has to be pretty darn good. If our pick next year is outside of the top 5 we may keep it but 1-3 it is as good as SOLD! If we know there will be one for 2012, how do we not know there will be one for 2011? Also, have there been a large number of players from the draft he hasn't signed in the past?
H2o Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Bill, I agree with both you and R2 - we should draft Ryan Mallett, then package our very high round-2 pick with a 5th - or 6th & 7th - to trade back into round one and grab Gabe Carimi (I'm willing to eschew another Danny Batten or Kyle Calloway in this year's draft, if it gets us Gabe). The key is how far Greg Romeus (DE, Pitt) drops because of his back injury, and can we get him in the 3rd or 4th - or Dontay Moch in the 3rd & Romeus AND Owen Marecic with our two 4th-round picks? That would be enough for me on draft day - Mallett, Carimi, Moch, Romeus, and Marecic - I wouldn't even care about anything after that. We'll have a nice chance to watch Mallett on CBS this afternoon against Auburn, and Carimi against the Buckeyes (& Cameron Heyward) tonite. Until then, enjoy some 'sweet dreams' of this QB in a Bills uniform... youtube.com/watch?v=OurYaWeYlQw I'm on board with The Senator in wanting us to draft Mallett. I see him as a more mobile Drew Bledsoe. Bledsoe was a top tier QB in NE, but then came along Tom Brady. Bledsoe wasn't that bad for us, minus the choke game against the Steelers' 3rd string. Mallett can make every throw, even while on the run. He usually hits his WR's in perfect stride when throwing down field. Everyone is trying to judge hime based on one half of football against one of the top defenses in the nation. Yeah, that makes alot of sense. Would love to have him as our franchise QB.
oak tree 12 Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 It seems pretty obvious to me that Buffalo will not pay a huge top three salary in excess of $50M. We know a rookie cap will be in place the next year (2012). We know Mr. Wilson is frugal. We know Buddy wants to build through the draft. I would be shocked if we didn't trade what sadly now seems like the inevitable #1 overall pick (I hope I am wrong. I really want us to win some games). We will still be rebuilding in 2012 and will then keep our top 5 pick which should be a quarterback. I know we haven't traded our top pick very often but it seems pretty logical to me knowing this organization that that is the way they should go. We may get a low to mid round first pick and some more really good picks after that. I don't know what a #1 overall pick is worth but it has to be pretty darn good. If our pick next year is outside of the top 5 we may keep it but 1-3 it is as good as SOLD! so if Luck declares(good possibility),Mallett is there your trading out. sorry bro but you have no idea what you are talking about. every consistently winning team has one thing in common a franchise QB and you want to by pass getting a great QB so you can get more mediocre draft picks and mediocre players great logic. believe me they will never trade out of #1 if Luck is there 100% guaranteed. 95% guaranteed with mallet. do us all a favor and go watch a couple of Stanford or Arkansas games and watch these 2 QB's play then you will understand how absolutly crazy your post is. really man if you actually watched these kids play you would be very embarrassed by your post and realize how foolish it is.
CardinalScotts Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 All options should be on the table. Who knows what a team might offer up in draft pick compensation for the 1st overall. Nobody wants the pick, it's too much money when the last time the top pick was traded ? Doesn't happen anymore
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 If the Bills go the Luck-Mallet route, they have to bring in a more than adequate, probably major upgrade at LT. If it's just the O-Line that gets major upgrades, so be it. But throwing Luck or Mallet to the wolves and the track record of very early QBs drafted and the ones that don't pan out... in the end the Bills cannot screw this up. I'd say 2011 will rank as their most important draft in team history. I don't get this. Bell has been at the very least adequate. I think your still stuck on how the o line looked with Trent at the helm. This o line is playing decent. I'm now pleasantly saying their biggest issue is penalties.
FightinIrishBills Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 I'd love to see a bidding war take place for the Bills' pick. This team is so devoid of talent, it needs way more than a QB... needs high picks for at least one if not two drafts or more. New England does it the right way... they keep replenishing their roster year after year. The Patriots end up with multiple picks in the first 3-4 rounds. Don't they have two picks in each of the first four rounds in the 2011 draft? That team is a machine on and off the field. Look, I'm really curious: has there EVER been a 'bidding war' for a top pick in recent history? Who would be a part of this bidding war? Like I said in my last post, there's a reason teams rarely trade out of the top 10 picks--the price is too high for another team to switch to that pick. And for everyone interested in Ryan Mallett, today's a HUGE test for him. He has a chance to redeem himself from the end of that 'Bama game. I'm really pulling for the guy, as he's been a favorite of mine for a while. However, the collective sports public might be buzzing even louder about a talent that could be even more special than Luck and Mallett--some guy out of Auburn by the name of Newton.
DaBills51 Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Look, I'm really curious: has there EVER been a 'bidding war' for a top pick in recent history? Who would be a part of this bidding war? Like I said in my last post, there's a reason teams rarely trade out of the top 10 picks--the price is too high for another team to switch to that pick. And for everyone interested in Ryan Mallett, today's a HUGE test for him. He has a chance to redeem himself from the end of that 'Bama game. I'm really pulling for the guy, as he's been a favorite of mine for a while. However, the collective sports public might be buzzing even louder about a talent that could be even more special than Luck and Mallett--some guy out of Auburn by the name of Newton. Thank you for bringing some logic to the discussion. Here is a quote from Jeff Ireland on having the #1 pick: "You can call around and try to trade it," Miami Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland said. "But at the end of the day you usually don't get a phone call back." And just in case that doesn't have you convinced, here is the link to the entire article: Who wants the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft? Nobody
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Thank you for bringing some logic to the discussion. Here is a quote from Jeff Ireland on having the #1 pick: "You can call around and try to trade it," Miami Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland said. "But at the end of the day you usually don't get a phone call back." And just in case that doesn't have you convinced, here is the link to the entire article: Who wants the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft? Nobody It would be easier to pull another Cousineau, really. Draft some dude, go back to bed, and let him sign with some team in the CFL.
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Bill, I agree with both you and R2 - we should draft Ryan Mallett, then package our very high round-2 pick with a 5th - or 6th & 7th - to trade back into round one and grab Gabe Carimi (I'm willing to eschew another Danny Batten or Kyle Calloway in this year's draft, if it gets us Gabe). The key is how far Greg Romeus (DE, Pitt) drops because of his back injury, and can we get him in the 3rd or 4th - or Dontay Moch in the 3rd & Romeus AND Owen Marecic with our two 4th-round picks? That would be enough for me on draft day - Mallett, Carimi, Moch, Romeus, and Marecic - I wouldn't even care about anything after that. We'll have a nice chance to watch Mallett on CBS this afternoon against Auburn, and Carimi against the Buckeyes (& Cameron Heyward) tonite. Until then, enjoy some 'sweet dreams' of this QB in a Bills uniform... youtube.com/watch?v=OurYaWeYlQw Most of what I've read on Carimi is that he had a great year 2 seasons ago but fell off last year and is currently listed as a 2nd round prospect. Obviously alot changes from now until the draft, and positional value moves guys up.
jahbonas Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Look to Nix's past for possible answer. TWICE San Diego traded away the top pick in the draft. First time they traded away Mike Vick and slid down 4 spots to get Ladanian Tomlinson and with extra rd2 pick received Drew Brees. The 2nd time they traded away Eli Manning and in return received Phillip Rivers, + 3rd rd pick + 5th rd pick + flowwing year #1 (Shawn Merriman) Lesson learned?? Yes its ok to trade away top QB on the board when you have numerous holes to fill. Yes you can still get a quality QB when you trade the top QB away. Buddy Nix scouting QBs does not mean he's determining who the top one is ...he's likely looking at just below that John Elway was top consensus QB in 1983 - we did pretty good scooping Jim Kelly at 14th slot.... Our best hope is to have some team absolutely covet Andrew Luck - and offer us the farm to move up to acquire him.
dayman Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 To early to know what the draft will be like, who is there, who is good, who wants who...ect..to say whether we will or should trade down from #1 is impossible right.
jahbonas Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Thank you for bringing some logic to the discussion. Here is a quote from Jeff Ireland on having the #1 pick: "You can call around and try to trade it," Miami Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland said. "But at the end of the day you usually don't get a phone call back." And just in case that doesn't have you convinced, here is the link to the entire article: Who wants the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft? Nobody Thats mainly because Jeff Ireland was unlucky in that there was no sure fire franchise player at the top of the draft that year. When there is a perceived franchise QB they come sniffing - Mike Vick & Eli Manning were both traded away Also - good chance the owners impose a rookie salary cap in the absence of an agreement
BillsVet Posted October 16, 2010 Posted October 16, 2010 Look to Nix's past for possible answer. TWICE San Diego traded away the top pick in the draft. First time they traded away Mike Vick and slid down 4 spots to get Ladanian Tomlinson and with extra rd2 pick received Drew Brees. The 2nd time they traded away Eli Manning and in return received Phillip Rivers, + 3rd rd pick + 5th rd pick + flowwing year #1 (Shawn Merriman) Lesson learned?? Yes its ok to trade away top QB on the board when you have numerous holes to fill. Yes you can still get a quality QB when you trade the top QB away. Buddy Nix scouting QBs does not mean he's determining who the top one is ...he's likely looking at just below that John Elway was top consensus QB in 1983 - we did pretty good scooping Jim Kelly at 14th slot.... Our best hope is to have some team absolutely covet Andrew Luck - and offer us the farm to move up to acquire him. If Buffalo has the first pick, Luck is available, and they trade it then just close up shop and move. The circumstances in 2001 and 2004 were very much different, in that neither #1 guy, Vick nor E. Manning, were who SD wanted. And the guaranteed money back then was a fraction of what it'll be in 2011 without a CBA including a rookie cap. In 01, Vick was not a complete NFL QB. E. Manning and Rivers in 04 were the top 2 QB's in a deep class. It doesn't look at this point like there's much guaranteed behind Luck if he comes out. Mallett has footwork and touch issues while Locker is more athlete than QB right now. That's not to say they can't be good, but you don't pass up a turn to take a NFL ready QB with huge potential. Bill Polian could have traded down in 98 and let someone else take P. Manning. But he didn't and that guy became the cornerstone of the franchise.
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